Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > When totally in > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but there is and can be > pain > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. You cannot suffer and > be > > in the present so when there is an experience of emotional hurt you > > suffer until it subsides enough to again have the possibility of > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires time. > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > But even pain is much different when there is complete > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would seem > > that would just make it worse. But the opposite is > > the case. > > > > Bill > > > True. > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, between the hypothetical, the maybe and the what-ifs about pain or suffering or suffering within pain, you just lose sight of the essential ... are you at peace with yourselves? or tormented by the perspective of torment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but there is and can be > > pain > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. You cannot suffer and > > be > > > in the present so when there is an experience of emotional hurt you > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again have the possibility of > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires time. > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there is complete > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would seem > > > that would just make it worse. But the opposite is > > > the case. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > True. > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > of the essential ... are you at peace with > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > of torment? > The notion of suffering was brought up by someone (who?), insisting that suffering is " real " because, afterall, they experience it! Yet I insist that it is not. Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, though. The notion of " time " *is* a construct that I find effective in getting across that whatever takes time is not in Now, and what is not in Now is not real. So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and communicating about that are two different things. The knowing is not hypothetical, whereas the communication may employ constructs. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 In a message dated 3/30/2006 12:07:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:11:19 +0200 (CEST) OConnor Patricia <gdtige RE: Re: leave Buddha alone guys --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but there is and can be > > pain > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. You cannot suffer and > > be > > > in the present so when there is an experience of emotional hurt you > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again have the possibility of > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires time. > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there is complete > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would seem > > > that would just make it worse. But the opposite is > > > the case. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > True. > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > of the essential ... are you at peace with > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > of torment? > The notion of suffering was brought up by someone (who?), insisting that suffering is " real " because, afterall, they experience it! Yet I insist that it is not. Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, though. The notion of " time " *is* a construct that I find effective in getting across that whatever takes time is not in Now, and what is not in Now is not real. So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and communicating about that are two different things. The knowing is not hypothetical, whereas the communication may employ constructs. Bill After that... can`t wait to suffer..so I can actually really experience non-suffering. Patricia Yes, as I see it, as long as we're talking about experiencing the illusion, there will be a dualistic balance, and so it makes no difference what's real or unreal or how we might attempt to tip that balance. It can't be done. Nondualistic love, joy and peace come from within rather than from the illusion, and that's all that matters. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > <illusyn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but > there is and can be > > > pain > > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. You > cannot suffer and > > > be > > > > in the present so when there is an experience of > emotional hurt you > > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again have > the possibility of > > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires time. > > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there is > complete > > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would > seem > > > > that would just make it worse. But the opposite > is > > > > the case. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > > of the essential ... are you at peace with > > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > > of torment? > > > > The notion of suffering was brought up by > someone (who?), insisting that suffering is > " real " because, afterall, they experience it! > > Yet I insist that it is not. > > Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, > though. > > The notion of " time " *is* a construct that > I find effective in getting across that > whatever takes time is not in Now, and what > is not in Now is not real. > > So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and > communicating about that are two different > things. The knowing is not hypothetical, > whereas the communication may employ > constructs. > > > Bill > > > After that... > can`t wait to suffer..so I can actually really > experience non-suffering. > Patricia > Reminds me of a joke in Mad Magazine I read when I was a kid: Alfred E. Neuman says: " I like to hit myself on the head with a hammer, because it feels so good when I stop! " Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > After that... > can`t wait to suffer..so I can actually really > experience non-suffering. > Patricia Yes, it´s the only way. As long as you escape it will chase you, and this constant running away causes suffering. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > --- billrishel <illusyn@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > > <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > > <illusyn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but > > there is and can be > > > > pain > > > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. You > > cannot suffer and > > > > be > > > > > in the present so when there is an experience of > > emotional hurt you > > > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again have > > the possibility of > > > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires time. > > > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there is > > complete > > > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would > > seem > > > > > that would just make it worse. But the opposite > > is > > > > > the case. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > > > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > > > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > > > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > > > of the essential ... are you at peace with > > > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > > > of torment? > > > > > > > The notion of suffering was brought up by > > someone (who?), insisting that suffering is > > " real " because, afterall, they experience it! > > > > Yet I insist that it is not. > > > > Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, > > though. > > > > The notion of " time " *is* a construct that > > I find effective in getting across that > > whatever takes time is not in Now, and what > > is not in Now is not real. > > > > So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and > > communicating about that are two different > > things. The knowing is not hypothetical, > > whereas the communication may employ > > constructs. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > After that... > > can`t wait to suffer..so I can actually really > > experience non-suffering. > > Patricia > > > > Reminds me of a joke in Mad Magazine I read when > I was a kid: > Alfred E. Neuman says: " I like to hit myself on > the head with a hammer, because it feels so good > when I stop! " > > > Bill LOL! len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but there is and can be > > > pain > > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. You cannot suffer and > > > be > > > > in the present so when there is an experience of emotional hurt you > > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again have the possibility of > > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires time. > > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there is complete > > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would seem > > > > that would just make it worse. But the opposite is > > > > the case. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > > of the essential ... are you at peace with > > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > > of torment? > > > > The notion of suffering was brought up by > someone (who?), insisting that suffering is > " real " because, afterall, they experience it! > > Yet I insist that it is not. Great! So then you don't mind if I beat up your kids? Jeroen > > Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, > though. > > The notion of " time " *is* a construct that > I find effective in getting across that > whatever takes time is not in Now, and what > is not in Now is not real. > > So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and > communicating about that are two different > things. The knowing is not hypothetical, > whereas the communication may employ > constructs. > > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- billrishel <illusyn@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > > > <lissbon2002@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > > > <illusyn@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > > > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but > > > there is and can be > > > > > pain > > > > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. You > > > cannot suffer and > > > > > be > > > > > > in the present so when there is an experience of > > > emotional hurt you > > > > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again have > > > the possibility of > > > > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires time. > > > > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there is > > > complete > > > > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would > > > seem > > > > > > that would just make it worse. But the opposite > > > is > > > > > > the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > > > > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > > > > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > > > > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > > > > of the essential ... are you at peace with > > > > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > > > > of torment? > > > > > > > > > > The notion of suffering was brought up by > > > someone (who?), insisting that suffering is > > > " real " because, afterall, they experience it! > > > > > > Yet I insist that it is not. > > > > > > Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, > > > though. > > > > > > The notion of " time " *is* a construct that > > > I find effective in getting across that > > > whatever takes time is not in Now, and what > > > is not in Now is not real. > > > > > > So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and > > > communicating about that are two different > > > things. The knowing is not hypothetical, > > > whereas the communication may employ > > > constructs. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > After that... > > > can`t wait to suffer..so I can actually really > > > experience non-suffering. > > > Patricia > > > > > > > Reminds me of a joke in Mad Magazine I read when > > I was a kid: > > Alfred E. Neuman says: " I like to hit myself on > > the head with a hammer, because it feels so good > > when I stop! " > > > > > > Bill > > > LOL! > > len > Mad Magazine was so much better in the day. In the fifties and early sixties I collected every issue. And every issue was a treasure.I only wish a little of that funny stuff had rubbed off, But then again.... " What me worry? " LOL LOL LOL .... .... bbbbobbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but there is and can be > > > > pain > > > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. You cannot suffer > and > > > > be > > > > > in the present so when there is an experience of emotional > hurt you > > > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again have the possibility of > > > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires time. > > > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there is complete > > > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would seem > > > > > that would just make it worse. But the opposite is > > > > > the case. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > > > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > > > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > > > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > > > of the essential ... are you at peace with > > > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > > > of torment? > > > > > > > The notion of suffering was brought up by > > someone (who?), insisting that suffering is > > " real " because, afterall, they experience it! > > > > Yet I insist that it is not. > > > Great! So then you don't mind if I beat up your kids? > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, > > though. > > > > The notion of " time " *is* a construct that > > I find effective in getting across that > > whatever takes time is not in Now, and what > > is not in Now is not real. > > > > So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and > > communicating about that are two different > > things. The knowing is not hypothetical, > > whereas the communication may employ > > constructs. > > > > > > Bill > > > Bill..I don't think there's any arguing with Jeroen. He's almost more smarterer than Larry E. And just about as smooth too. ;-)...bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > After that... > > can`t wait to suffer..so I can actually really > > experience non-suffering. > > Patricia > > > Yes, it´s the only way. As long as you escape it will chase you, and > this constant running away causes suffering. > > Len > ************* What was it I read tonight? It was about the cause of suffering according to Niz.... Hmmm. Grr. Now I have to go get the book out of my bag. I can't remember exactly what he said. LOL. Be right back. (Like As if I was on the phone with you. Sheesh....) K. I'm back. The question was: " What is the real cause of suffering? " And Niz answers: " Self-identification with the limited (vyaktitva). Sensations, as such, however strong, do not cause suffering. It is the mind, bewildered by wrong ideas, addicted to thinking: 'I am this'; 'I am that', that fears loss and craves gain and suffers when frustrated. " Running away from the the experience of suffering isn't possible unless one has no mind which can think and identify itself with whatever or which doesn't fear any loss or crave gain. Do you fear loss or crave gain? I do. So, I suffer. I suffer terribly, terribly, terribly. I have all kinds of wrong Ideas about myself. I try to deny this by playing the game of convincing myself that nah I dont identify myself with anything but .... I lie to myself. I do identify myself with body-mind all the time. rarely do I escape suffering in Niz's sens of meaning. I'm an even worse candidate than Werner for Enlightenment!! Lol. And I actually kind of pride myself on it. Sometimes I just don't get myself. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but there is and can be > > > > pain > > > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. You cannot suffer > and > > > > be > > > > > in the present so when there is an experience of emotional > hurt you > > > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again have the possibility of > > > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires time. > > > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there is complete > > > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would seem > > > > > that would just make it worse. But the opposite is > > > > > the case. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > > > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > > > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > > > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > > > of the essential ... are you at peace with > > > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > > > of torment? > > > > > > > The notion of suffering was brought up by > > someone (who?), insisting that suffering is > > " real " because, afterall, they experience it! > > > > Yet I insist that it is not. > > > Great! So then you don't mind if I beat up your kids? > > > Jeroen *********** He wouldn't suffer if you beat up his kids because you'd only hurt yourself. I'm sure he'd have a blast kickin' your ass though. Hehe. " Silver " *********** > > > > > > > Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, > > though. > > > > The notion of " time " *is* a construct that > > I find effective in getting across that > > whatever takes time is not in Now, and what > > is not in Now is not real. > > > > So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and > > communicating about that are two different > > things. The knowing is not hypothetical, > > whereas the communication may employ > > constructs. > > > > > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > After that... > > > can`t wait to suffer..so I can actually really > > > experience non-suffering. > > > Patricia > > > > > > Yes, it´s the only way. As long as you escape it will chase you, and > > this constant running away causes suffering. > > > > Len > > > > ************* > What was it I read tonight? It was about the cause of suffering > according to Niz.... Hmmm. Grr. Now I have to go get the book out > of my bag. I can't remember exactly what he said. LOL. Be right > back. (Like As if I was on the phone with you. Sheesh....) > > K. I'm back. The question was: " What is the real cause of > suffering? " And Niz answers: " Self-identification with the limited > (vyaktitva). Sensations, as such, however strong, do not cause > suffering. It is the mind, bewildered by wrong ideas, addicted to > thinking: 'I am this'; 'I am that', that fears loss and craves gain > and suffers when frustrated. " > > Running away from the the experience of suffering isn't possible > unless one has no mind which can think and identify itself with > whatever or which doesn't fear any loss or crave gain. Do you fear > loss or crave gain? I do. So, I suffer. I suffer terribly, > terribly, terribly. I have all kinds of wrong Ideas about myself. I > try to deny this by playing the game of convincing myself that nah I > dont identify myself with anything but .... I lie to myself. I do > identify myself with body-mind all the time. rarely do I escape > suffering in Niz's sens of meaning. I'm an even worse candidate than > Werner for Enlightenment!! Lol. And I actually kind of pride myself > on it. Sometimes I just don't get myself. > > " Silver " > Hey Silver..just like me..whenever I'm not myself or beside myself..I feel proud! I don't get it though 'cause I'm not there at the time. That's where I'd like to be when I die too..Not Around when It happens......LOL ......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069 wrote: >So, I suffer. I suffer terribly, > terribly, terribly. I have all kinds of wrong Ideas about myself. I > try to deny this by playing the game of convincing myself that nah I > dont identify myself with anything but .... I lie to myself. Yes, this doesn´t work. This is just adding extra thoughta to the thoughts which are there already. Not to run away means to face the feeling, the sensation triggered by all these ideas about yourself, which cause suffering. How do you suffer? Where in your body do you suffer? Can you feel the sensations going on there? Can you stay with them and not run away through any kind of occupation? Once you are no more affraid of watching these sensation, there is nothing to run away from. Len >I do > identify myself with body-mind all the time. rarely do I escape > suffering in Niz's sens of meaning. I'm an even worse candidate than > Werner for Enlightenment!! Lol. And I actually kind of pride myself > on it. Sometimes I just don't get myself. > > " Silver " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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