Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 >> Hurt in the meaning of the pain felt in the body is > real. >> A house is real, whether I call it mine or not, it's > still there. >> >> Len >> > > You are talking an ordinary language sense of > the term real. I am talking in nondual terms. > > What about *feelings*? Are feelings " real " ? > You could argue so, of course. That would > be an ordinary way to speak. > > But I am saying that any feelings one > " has " as " one's own " are unreal. They > are illusion. If the " hurt " is a feeling > one has, then for that ownership process > to occur there has to be time. Actually, > without time there is no possibility of > even labeling as " hurt " or as " my hurt " . > Try it when you are in the dentist chair > next time. Try being so present with whatever > sensations that the sensations are experienced > instant by instant. The body might straighten, > the abdomen might tighten. But if totally in > the Now it is a blur of sensation. Not > exactly pleasant, but just a chaos of > sensation, nevertheless. When totally in > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > pain " . > > So when I say " real " I mean when there is > only Now, when there is no time, *that* > I am saying, is real. > > Bill > > P; This is just so, Bill, and that is my secondary technique to deal with it. The first one, of course, is Novocain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > > >> Hurt in the meaning of the pain felt in the body is > > real. > >> A house is real, whether I call it mine or not, it's > > still there. > >> > >> Len > >> > > > > You are talking an ordinary language sense of > > the term real. I am talking in nondual terms. > > > > What about *feelings*? Are feelings " real " ? > > You could argue so, of course. That would > > be an ordinary way to speak. > > > > But I am saying that any feelings one > > " has " as " one's own " are unreal. They > > are illusion. If the " hurt " is a feeling > > one has, then for that ownership process > > to occur there has to be time. Actually, > > without time there is no possibility of > > even labeling as " hurt " or as " my hurt " . > > Try it when you are in the dentist chair > > next time. Try being so present with whatever > > sensations that the sensations are experienced > > instant by instant. The body might straighten, > > the abdomen might tighten. But if totally in > > the Now it is a blur of sensation. Not > > exactly pleasant, but just a chaos of > > sensation, nevertheless. When totally in > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am feeling > > pain " . > > > > So when I say " real " I mean when there is > > only Now, when there is no time, *that* > > I am saying, is real. > > > > Bill > > > > > > P; This is just so, Bill, and that is my > secondary technique to deal with it. The first > one, of course, is Novocain. > LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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