Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > NOT the only real question... > > > > > > but will say this: > > > feelings that are as " one's own " can seem to utterly disappear. > > > does that mean never to appear again? > > > that is uncertain... > > > > > > similarly for emotions and " mental pain " ... > > > > > > at some point the realization comes that the " sense of 'me' " > > > is no more, and with it has gone the many baggages... > > > the emotions, the personal feelings, the self-doubts, > > > the uncertainties and senses of confusion... > > > > > > " angst " is the ever present shadow of the sense of a > > > " personal self " > > > > > > and the sense of a personal self *can* evaporate > > > > > > when it is gone there is a clarity > > > a clarity unpolluted > > > by any particular > > > > > > things can still come up > > > such as a " feeling of annoyance " as mentioned earlier > > > > > > > > Feeling of annoyance when the self is not? > > Don´t think so. > > Why be annoyed if there is nothing to defend? > > > > Len > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > NOT the only real question... > > > > > > but will say this: > > > feelings that are as " one's own " can seem to utterly disappear. > > > does that mean never to appear again? > > > that is uncertain... > > > > > > similarly for emotions and " mental pain " ... > > > > > > at some point the realization comes that the " sense of 'me' " > > > is no more, and with it has gone the many baggages... > > > the emotions, the personal feelings, the self-doubts, > > > the uncertainties and senses of confusion... > > > > > > " angst " is the ever present shadow of the sense of a > > > " personal self " > > > > > > and the sense of a personal self *can* evaporate > > > > > > when it is gone there is a clarity > > > a clarity unpolluted > > > by any particular > > > > > > things can still come up > > > such as a " feeling of annoyance " as mentioned earlier > > > > > > > > Feeling of annoyance when the self is not? > > Don´t think so. > > Why be annoyed if there is nothing to defend? > > > > Len > > there is never a (valid) *reason* for feeling annoyed, > but such a feeling may arise, nevertheless > > " feeling of annoyance " is programming... is > conditioning ... > if such arising patterns are seen as they arise > and met in the Now... > they evaporate as they arise > > and that is the whole, is it not? > it is not about " attaining some *state* " ... > it is about meeting the challenge of each > moment, as it arises. And, that is WHAT EVERYONE does... " enlightened " or " not " !!! They all " meet " " the challenge of each moment, as it arises " ... in their own way! Buddha does it... a Monk does it... A lawyer does it... A stock-broker does it... A doctor does it... A housewife does it... A pshchologist does it... Some does it better... Some does it worse... Some laern and imporove continuously... .... I DEEP Sleep... there are NO " challenges " to " meet " ! Some said that [imaginary] enlightened state is like permanent Deep Sleep!!! Some say ONE that 'sees' and 'meets' " challenges " is 'mind' [also called EGO, individual]... Some said that the [imaginary] enlightenemnt is the Death of 'mind' [ego] and once 'Dead' it is Dead For Ever... and, it is NEVER there to " see " or " meet " " challenges " ! .... I am just teling you what I have read from [so called] sages... Personally, I don't beleive it! Those [so called] sages were either 'confused', 'mistaken', 'misunderstood' or were simply lying! > > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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