Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " > <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am > feeling > > > > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but > there is and > can be > > > > > pain > > > > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. > You cannot > suffer > > and > > > > > be > > > > > > in the present so when there is an > experience of emotional > > hurt you > > > > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again > have the > possibility of > > > > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires > time. > > > > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there > is complete > > > > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would > seem > > > > > > that would just make it worse. But the > opposite is > > > > > > the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > > > > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > > > > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > > > > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > > > > of the essential ... are you at peace with > > > > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > > > > of torment? > > > > > > > > > > The notion of suffering was brought up by > > > someone (who?), insisting that suffering is > > > " real " because, afterall, they experience it! > > > > > > Yet I insist that it is not. > > > > > > Great! So then you don't mind if I beat up your > kids? > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > > > > > > Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, > > > though. > > > > > > The notion of " time " *is* a construct that > > > I find effective in getting across that > > > whatever takes time is not in Now, and what > > > is not in Now is not real. > > > > > > So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and > > > communicating about that are two different > > > things. The knowing is not hypothetical, > > > whereas the communication may employ > > > constructs. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > Bill..I don't think there's any arguing with > Jeroen. He's almost > more smarterer than Larry E. And just about as smooth > too. > ;-)...bob > > Bill, you either have loads of patience or a lot of > time to kill! > > Patricia > I think I remember Jeroen now. If I recall he is a Judy Rhodes protege. Advice: just put him on Ignore. You know: Don't feed the Trolls. They crave attention. Or: The SM joke where the M says: " Beat me! " and the S says: " No! " Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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