Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " > > > <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > > > <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric > > > Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " lissbon2002 " > > > <lissbon2002@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When totally in > > > > > > > > > the Now there is no *time* for " I am > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > pain " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I appreciate your good intensions but > > > there is and > > > can be > > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > in the present, just no suffering. > > > > > > > > > Pain is physical. Suffering is emotional. > > > You cannot > > > suffer > > > > and > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > in the present so when there is an > > > experience of emotional > > > > hurt you > > > > > > > > suffer until it subsides enough to again > > > have the > > > possibility of > > > > > > > > existing in or entering the present. IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read my words a little more carefully... > > > > > > > > I said, " no *time* for 'I am feeling pain' " . > > > > > > > > The *thought* " I am feeling pain " requires > > > time. > > > > > > > > I did not say there is no pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But even pain is much different when there > > > is complete > > > > > > > > presence, complete acute awareness. It would > > > seem > > > > > > > > that would just make it worse. But the > > > opposite is > > > > > > > > the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mind is playing tricks on you guys, > > > > > > between the hypothetical, the maybe and > > > > > > the what-ifs about pain or suffering or > > > > > > suffering within pain, you just lose sight > > > > > > of the essential ... are you at peace with > > > > > > yourselves? or tormented by the perspective > > > > > > of torment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The notion of suffering was brought up by > > > > > someone (who?), insisting that suffering is > > > > > " real " because, afterall, they experience it! > > > > > > > > > > Yet I insist that it is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Great! So then you don't mind if I beat up your > > > kids? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not based on some theory or hypotheticals, > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > The notion of " time " *is* a construct that > > > > > I find effective in getting across that > > > > > whatever takes time is not in Now, and what > > > > > is not in Now is not real. > > > > > > > > > > So *knowing* that suffering is unreal and > > > > > communicating about that are two different > > > > > things. The knowing is not hypothetical, > > > > > whereas the communication may employ > > > > > constructs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Bill..I don't think there's any arguing with > > > Jeroen. He's almost > > > more smarterer than Larry E. And just about as smooth > > > too. > > > ;-)...bob > > > > > > Bill, you either have loads of patience or a lot of > > > time to kill! > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > I think I remember Jeroen now. > > If I recall he is a Judy Rhodes protege. > > > > Advice: just put him on Ignore. > > You know: Don't feed the Trolls. They crave attention. > > > > Or: The SM joke where the M says: " Beat me! " > > and the S says: " No! " > > > > > > Bill > > > LOVIN' It Bill!...bob > Talkin' 'bout J.R....she kicked me off and outta the Ranch. I think she understood me......LOL :- bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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