Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > Another interesting thing is that both > > tigers and deer are said to have > > ultimately evolved from same animal > > species... yet, one has 'evolved' to > > *eat* other! > > > > It becomes even more interesting in > > " fish eat fish " realm and in some > > instances, animals that eat their own > > offspring!!! > > > > > > In humans [evolved from same animal > > base] though physical eating of another > > is not that common... once you read the > > history of many killings, murders, > > genocides, wars, slavery, torture as > > well as greatly more common... > > EXPLOITATION, cheating and trickery it > > provides you some interesting facts > > about BASIC Animal [and human] nature! > > > > > > [ NNB ] > > > > Hi NNB.....everone and everything manifest in form has got to eat.. > or die. Stars eat themselves as do all galactic systems. Gravity is > the ultimate feeder and will some day collapse all worlds, and the > rub is, is that gravity is of itself nothing but pure geometry. If > numbers, those abstractions par excellence,are themselves eating one > another in the geometry of life who knows? Maybe it's all harking > back to the sacrificing Lambs in food, in fire, in fact. And all the > trickster games that our cerebral cortices have devised are nothing > more then the Eat/be eaten kneeling and fleeing the Altars of > Communion? > .....bob > > > > P.S. ultimately the Final Big Black Hole may be Wholely LIGHT. I can admire if you TRULY keep this perspective... when you are being *slaughtered* or *eaten*... or, when your son, daughter on another loved one is being *killed*!!! Tell me Bob... Are you 'likely' to keep that perspective then? If not... what does it tell you about all the grand *theories* that you have 'memorized'... Bob??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Another interesting thing is that both > > > tigers and deer are said to have > > > ultimately evolved from same animal > > > species... yet, one has 'evolved' to > > > *eat* other! > > > > > > It becomes even more interesting in > > > " fish eat fish " realm and in some > > > instances, animals that eat their own > > > offspring!!! > > > > > > > > > In humans [evolved from same animal > > > base] though physical eating of another > > > is not that common... once you read the > > > history of many killings, murders, > > > genocides, wars, slavery, torture as > > > well as greatly more common... > > > EXPLOITATION, cheating and trickery it > > > provides you some interesting facts > > > about BASIC Animal [and human] nature! > > > > > > > > > [ NNB ] > > > > > > Hi NNB.....everone and everything manifest in form has got to > eat.. > > or die. Stars eat themselves as do all galactic systems. Gravity > is > > the ultimate feeder and will some day collapse all worlds, and > the > > rub is, is that gravity is of itself nothing but pure geometry. If > > numbers, those abstractions par excellence,are themselves eating > one > > another in the geometry of life who knows? Maybe it's all harking > > back to the sacrificing Lambs in food, in fire, in fact. And all > the > > trickster games that our cerebral cortices have devised are > nothing > > more then the Eat/be eaten kneeling and fleeing the Altars of > > Communion? > > .....bob > > > > > > P.S. ultimately the Final Big Black Hole may be Wholely LIGHT. > > > I can admire if you TRULY keep this perspective... > > when you are being *slaughtered* or *eaten*... > > or, when your son, daughter on another loved one is being *killed*!!! > > > > Tell me Bob... > > Are you 'likely' to keep that perspective then? > > > > If not... > > what does it tell you about all the grand *theories* > that you have 'memorized'... Bob??? > Firstly, these are not grand theories that I have memorized. They are not other than that either I guess. If I am slaughtered or eaten, in all likelihood I as an organism would react in the manner of all observed animals that fall victim to their predators attack. I would first run, then scream holy hell then finally surrender to the inevitable. If it befalls me that one of my dear ones is attacked or killed I will suffer anguish that is inconceivable to me in my comfortable existence where I sit. I may also feel the urge to return in kind, the pain and suffering that I witness in such an event. For God's sake that's a given for anybody who lives, breaths,feels. Some there are without conscience or heart..I am not one of them. Any zen master(not that I am one) would say when hungry.. eat, when tired.. sleep, when terrorized..yell. Be completely yourself and in the situation and in the feeling. I was not heartlessly proposing some elequent theory of non feeling. Where the hell are you coming from? You are the hostile writer friend. If you can seperate yourself from nature, from what is..well good for you. I'm not about to change or tear down the grand tower of illusion that you dwell in. The world that we have, the world as given IS the world of fact. You seem to be judgemental of that fact and anyone that even proposes the suggestion that it should not fall under the rules of your game but rather quite the opposite. That's my perspective and I'm sticking to it. You can have your world of judging and pronouncements of the world and it's 'errors' and good luck with that. But I will suggest you reread what I had written..and if you can't see a hopeful message contained therein, then mom ami, stick with your antagonism and enmity with everything that is factual, whether that's a message of terror or LIGHT...you be the judge. " here come da judge...here come da judge " ..Sammy Davis Jr. with a troubled heart re your misunderstanding my words or intent.. ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 If not in *nature*... where else does the *errors*, *shortcomings*, *inefficiencies*, *conflicts* and *problems* exist Bob??? If you didn't understand it before... I am presenting my views on the 'conflicts' that exist in the nature itself and thus are inherited by its offspring! [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > If not in *nature*... > > where else does the *errors*, > *shortcomings*, *inefficiencies*, > *conflicts* and *problems* exist Bob??? > > > > If you didn't understand it before... > > I am presenting my views on the > 'conflicts' that exist in the > nature itself and thus are inherited > by its offspring! > > > > [...] > Yeah OK ..so what was I doing? Was I or was I not discussing conflicts in nature? Carrying those conflicts down to the very core and substratum of perceived nature at that. Should I have asked you what you would do if your mother was decapitated for fun by zombies of hatred? What was your point with THAT shit? Sorry sport, I don't understand that aggression. I must be slow..I don't get your point.. with your response to what I had considered a contribution to, not a derision of your posting. I think I understood very well what you were writing about both before and now. If there is misunderstanding here..you don't have to look far from home whatever your name is. ......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > If not in *nature*... > > > > where else does the *errors*, > > *shortcomings*, *inefficiencies*, > > *conflicts* and *problems* exist Bob??? > > > > > > > > If you didn't understand it before... > > > > I am presenting my views on the > > 'conflicts' that exist in the > > nature itself and thus are inherited > > by its offspring! > > > > > > > > [...] > > > Yeah OK ..so what was I doing? Was I or was I not discussing > conflicts in nature? Carrying those conflicts down to the very core > and substratum of perceived nature at that. Should I have asked you > what you would do if your mother was decapitated for fun by zombies > of hatred? What was your point with THAT shit? Sorry sport, I don't > understand that aggression. I must be slow..I don't get your point.. > with your response to what I had considered a contribution to, not a > derision of your posting. I think I understood very well what you > were writing about both before and now. If there is misunderstanding > here..you don't have to look far from home whatever your name is. > ......bob > It was [one of] my purpose to upset [some of] you, Bob! And, by upset I mean get 'irritated', 'annoyed', 'angry', 'pissed off' or an other so called 'negative' mood! It is part of the point I am trying to make, explain and understand... that a human being can INDEED upset another [even through inconsequential, text only conversations]! A human being can upset even a 'learned', 'spiritual', 'smart' and 'intellectual' person! That your " mood " and 'emotions' are NOT always just your 'own' Making! You sure can have *mechanism* in place to cope, defend, protect, refine, change or circumvent them but, OTHER can surely initiate and stir it! But, that said, perhaps, I didn't understate your intent. I thought, that you were saying since this *eating* is everywhere it is fine and should not create any conflict or problem! If you need my apologies... I am ready to offer them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > If not in *nature*... > > > > > > where else does the *errors*, > > > *shortcomings*, *inefficiencies*, > > > *conflicts* and *problems* exist Bob??? > > > > > > > > > > > > If you didn't understand it before... > > > > > > I am presenting my views on the > > > 'conflicts' that exist in the > > > nature itself and thus are inherited > > > by its offspring! > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > Yeah OK ..so what was I doing? Was I or was I not discussing > > conflicts in nature? Carrying those conflicts down to the very > core > > and substratum of perceived nature at that. Should I have asked > you > > what you would do if your mother was decapitated for fun by > zombies > > of hatred? What was your point with THAT shit? Sorry sport, I > don't > > understand that aggression. I must be slow..I don't get your > point.. > > with your response to what I had considered a contribution to, not > a > > derision of your posting. I think I understood very well what you > > were writing about both before and now. If there is > misunderstanding > > here..you don't have to look far from home whatever your name is. > > ......bob > > > > > > It was [one of] my purpose to upset > [some of] you, Bob! > > And, by upset I mean get 'irritated', > 'annoyed', 'angry', 'pissed off' or an > other so called 'negative' mood! > > It is part of the point I am trying to > make, explain and understand... > > that a human being can INDEED upset > another [even through inconsequential, > text only conversations]! > > A human being can upset even a > 'learned', 'spiritual', 'smart' and > 'intellectual' person! > > That your " mood " and 'emotions' are > NOT always just your 'own' Making! > > You sure can have *mechanism* in place > to cope, defend, protect, refine, > change or circumvent them but, OTHER > can surely initiate and stir it! > > > > > But, that said, perhaps, I didn't > understate your intent. I thought, that > you were saying since this *eating* is > everywhere it is fine and should not > create any conflict or problem! > > If you need my apologies... > > I am ready to offer them! > No need..you served your purpose for yourself and I'm cool and forgiving without apology for that, My 'problem', if such was the case was that you were or seemed to be saying that I was wrong for agreeing with you in the first place as to the mechanism of the world. That wasn't really upseting it was unnerving and confusing and as I said if that was the case,,so be it and that I would leave it alone. Therefore and thereby, I will leave it alone now......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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