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> The strenght is indeed one of the

factors which are determining the

> impact of a physical attack. It´s

not the only one though. Knowing

> how to fight and intelligence in

general are also important factors.

 

Yes. They indeed are.

 

I intended *strength* to include

all of them. But, your point is

very well taken!

 

>

> The situation is entirely different

when it comes to psychological

> harm.

 

It is surely different but not

*entirely*!

 

> What does inner strenght mean?

 

Consider someone in 'samadhi',

deep inner repose, someone who

is totally self-centered...

 

or, someone who fully knows what, why

and how of what he/she is doing, will

do and stays Very Firm it!

 

Consider someone who has Great Deal

of PRACTICE and experience doing it

and thus have gained skills, insights

and knowledge of how to *deal* with

it!

 

 

 

> Is it a degree to which we can

> resist the attack and respond with a

contra offensive? Do we need to

> fight back with the strenght of love

and compassion?

 

Yes. These are definitely some

immensely *valuable* skills and

*tricks* that one might indeed need to

consider and deploy!

 

In fact, it is not entirely different

that *warfare* and one might indeed

need to learn and deploy s *strategy*!

 

Consider situations of an experienced

and skilled teacher/parent dealing with

*disruptive*, *grumpy*, complaining

or just *manipulative* child!

 

*Dealing* with many so called 'mature'

*adults* may not be that different!

 

 

 

 

>

> I would say that we don´t need

strenght at all when being

> psychologically attacked, because

there is nothing to defend.

 

I will disagree here...

 

The [usually hidden] purpose of the

*attack* is to make you *feel bad*

and you might have NO real interest in

*feeling bad* yourself!

 

The *attack* succeeds when it forces

you to *feel bad* in spite of your

[initially] not wanting it!

 

It might be important to realize the

real *motive* behind the *attack* and

then deal with it with awareness, consciousness,

intelligence, presence and TACT!

 

Another important thing to remember is

that the *attacker* itself is usually

just an unconscious victims and spreader

not a real conscious participant who

has chosen to do so!

 

Much like as someone infected with

infectious disease is *forced* to spared the

germs. Similarly such a person spreads

unhappiness and attacks others

by being overpowered and blinded by

his/her strong parasitic emotions.

 

 

> The only thing which can be defended

is our defence system. What´s

> the use of defending a defence

system though, if there is nothing

> which must be protected? No matter

how strong you are, the

> psychological attack will always

have an impact if you´re defending

> yourself. You reaction will be the

impact. The stronger you react,

> the bigger the impact. When you

don´t defend yourself but let

> the " bullit " come in, something very

interesting happens.

 

In many situations, 'not resisting'

might indeed be the best

possible response!

 

Yet, there are many situations when

*escaping*, 'not participating'

may not only no be a good option -in

fact in some situations it might

be FATAL - those situations especially

arise when someone emotionally

*attacking* you is in fact, doing it

on *purpose*!

 

 

>

> Len

>

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Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming

wrote:

 

 

 

> > What does inner strenght mean?

>

> Consider someone in 'samadhi',

> deep inner repose, someone who

> is totally self-centered...

 

 

So " samadhi " means total self-centredness to you?

Interesting. What does self-centredness mean to you?

To me it means being " separated " from reality through self-image.

 

 

 

> or, someone who fully knows what, why

> and how of what he/she is doing, will

> do and stays Very Firm it!

>

> Consider someone who has Great Deal

> of PRACTICE and experience doing it

> and thus have gained skills, insights

> and knowledge of how to *deal* with

> it!

 

 

Practice, gaining skills and knowledge sound like the ego-stuff to

me.

They are strenghtening the ego, which is self-image.

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Do we need to

> > fight back with the strenght of love

> and compassion?

>

> Yes. These are definitely some

> immensely *valuable* skills and

> *tricks* that one might indeed need to

> consider and deploy!

>

> In fact, it is not entirely different

> that *warfare* and one might indeed

> need to learn and deploy s *strategy*!

>

> Consider situations of an experienced

> and skilled teacher/parent dealing with

> *disruptive*, *grumpy*, complaining

> or just *manipulative* child!

>

> *Dealing* with many so called 'mature'

> *adults* may not be that different!

 

 

 

Of course, it´s the same but much worse ;-)

The question is: do you have to fight back?

Is there anything to defend?

 

 

 

 

> > I would say that we don´t need

> strenght at all when being

> > psychologically attacked, because

> there is nothing to defend.

>

> I will disagree here...

>

> The [usually hidden] purpose of the

> *attack* is to make you *feel bad*

> and you might have NO real interest in

> *feeling bad* yourself!

>

> The *attack* succeeds when it forces

> you to *feel bad* in spite of your

> [initially] not wanting it!

 

 

 

 

Here you are trying to control the situation.

You´d rather feel good then bad and try to escape the bad feeling.

The aim of the offender is already reached: he induced a fearful

reaction ;-)

 

 

 

 

> It might be important to realize the

> real *motive* behind the *attack* and

> then deal with it with awareness, consciousness,

> intelligence, presence and TACT!

 

 

 

The motive is offenders business,

the reaction is mine.

 

 

 

 

 

> In many situations, 'not resisting'

> might indeed be the best

> possible response!

>

> Yet, there are many situations when

> *escaping*, 'not participating'

> may not only no be a good option -in

> fact in some situations it might

> be FATAL - those situations especially

> arise when someone emotionally

> *attacking* you is in fact, doing it

> on *purpose*!

 

 

 

By not reacting, I don´t mean escaping.

I mean receiving the attack without resistance.

When this happens, the appropriate action

takes place naturally.

 

Len

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