Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 [...] > > > What does inner strenght mean? > > > > Consider someone in 'samadhi', > > deep inner repose, someone who > > is totally self-centered... > > > So " samadhi " means total self-centredness to you? Yes and by Self I mean as in Ramana's and traditional Vedic literature as well as in common non-dual dialogue! It is the absence of all else! > Interesting. What does self-centredness mean to you? I hope the above explains my views on it. > To me it means being " separated " from reality through self-image. It can indeed mean so if you took `self' to mean the `ego thought' or `ego image' but, that is Not how I am using that word! > > > > > or, someone who fully knows what, why > > and how of what he/she is doing, will > > do and stays Very Firm it! > > > > Consider someone who has Great Deal > > of PRACTICE and experience doing it > > and thus have gained skills, insights > > and knowledge of how to *deal* with > > it! > > > Practice, gaining skills and knowledge sound like the ego-stuff to > me. That is matter of your `definition'. In reality, [in my view], these are wise, conscious and intelligent thing that a conscious soul need to do! This are part of *being* HUMAN! > They are strenghtening the ego, which is self-image. In my view [and in my experience], these don't strengthen ego [the memory based self thought]! IMV... Consciousness NEVER strengthens ego. Ego survives and strengthens only through unconsciousness! In fact, ego is just another name for unconsciousness where in which *self* is thought be a *thought image* made-up of memories! > > > > Do we need to > > > fight back with the strenght of love > > and compassion? > > > > Yes. These are definitely some > > immensely *valuable* skills and > > *tricks* that one might indeed need to > > consider and deploy! > > > > In fact, it is not entirely different > > that *warfare* and one might indeed > > need to learn and deploy s *strategy*! > > > > Consider situations of an experienced > > and skilled teacher/parent dealing with > > *disruptive*, *grumpy*, complaining > > or just *manipulative* child! > > > > *Dealing* with many so called 'mature' > > *adults* may not be that different! > > > > Of course, it´s the same but much worse ;-) > The question is: do you have to fight back? > Is there anything to defend? Yes. Feeling of peace, joy, happiness might be one! Unless one considers himself/herself *immune* from everything! > > > > > I would say that we don´t need > > strenght at all when being > > > psychologically attacked, because > > there is nothing to defend. > > > > I will disagree here... > > > > The [usually hidden] purpose of the > > *attack* is to make you *feel bad* > > and you might have NO real interest in > > *feeling bad* yourself! > > > > The *attack* succeeds when it forces > > you to *feel bad* in spite of your > > [initially] not wanting it! > > > > > Here you are trying to control the situation. > You´d rather feel good then bad and try to escape the bad feeling. > The aim of the offender is already reached: he induced a fearful > reaction ;-) *Knowledge* and *realization* doesn't necessarily mean Fear! I might see somebody sneezing with running nose, red eyes and know he/she is infected and be highly contagious and might even take necessary steps to protect myself from infection. Or, I can see a burning fire and avoid entering that burning place unless necessary and when I have to enter it try to wear protective gears! IMV... it is simple human wisdom and our *duty* as being human. As humans we are vulnerable to many things and that knowledge is a very important guide. Courage need not be synonymous with... Stupidity! Nor the *knowledge* with... Fear! > > > > It might be important to realize the > > real *motive* behind the *attack* and > > then deal with it with awareness, consciousness, > > intelligence, presence and TACT! > > The motive is offenders business, > the reaction is mine. I consider my *health* and its protection from *germs* Very Much My business! Inner Peace and Joy is nothing but natural Inner Health! > > > > In many situations, 'not resisting' > > might indeed be the best > > possible response! > > > > Yet, there are many situations when > > *escaping*, 'not participating' > > may not only no be a good option -in > > fact in some situations it might > > be FATAL - those situations especially > > arise when someone emotionally > > *attacking* you is in fact, doing it > > on *purpose*! > > > By not reacting, I don´t mean escaping. > I mean receiving the attack without resistance. > When this happens, the appropriate action > takes place naturally. That greatly depends on situations... Many advertisers, propaganda experts, political campaigners, instigators, PR experts salesperson, marketing experts rely on their *ability* to *invoke* certain emotions in most/many/all humans in order to be really successful! Many Highly successful and strategic managers, executives, debaters and lawyers rely on their ability to invoke certain emotions in their *target*! Very few people [if any] have really been able to win such *attacks* by just `receiving it'! However, *many* people have defended themselves by clearly knowing and staying firm on their own ground, stand, position and purpose! > > Len > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > So " samadhi " means total self-centredness to you? > > Yes and by Self I mean as in Ramana's > and traditional Vedic literature as well > as in common non-dual dialogue! > > It is the absence of all else! Total exclusion. I don´t think there is a way to communicate between us. Your system is unpenetrable. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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