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> > > What does inner strenght mean?

> >

> > Consider someone in 'samadhi',

> > deep inner repose, someone who

> > is totally self-centered...

>

>

> So " samadhi " means total self-centredness to you?

 

Yes and by Self I mean as in Ramana's

and traditional Vedic literature as well

as in common non-dual dialogue!

 

It is the absence of all else!

 

 

> Interesting. What does self-centredness mean to you?

 

I hope the above explains my views on it.

 

 

> To me it means being " separated " from reality through self-image.

 

 

It can indeed mean so if you took

`self' to mean the `ego thought' or

`ego image' but, that is Not how I

am using that word!

 

>

>

>

> > or, someone who fully knows what, why

> > and how of what he/she is doing, will

> > do and stays Very Firm it!

> >

> > Consider someone who has Great Deal

> > of PRACTICE and experience doing it

> > and thus have gained skills, insights

> > and knowledge of how to *deal* with

> > it!

>

>

> Practice, gaining skills and knowledge sound like the ego-stuff to

> me.

 

That is matter of your `definition'.

In reality, [in my view], these are wise, conscious

and intelligent thing that a conscious soul need

to do! This are part of *being* HUMAN!

 

 

> They are strenghtening the ego, which is self-image.

 

In my view [and in my experience], these don't

strengthen ego [the memory based self thought]!

 

IMV... Consciousness NEVER strengthens ego.

Ego survives and strengthens only through unconsciousness!

 

In fact, ego is just another name for unconsciousness where

in which *self* is thought be a *thought image* made-up of

memories!

 

>

>

> > Do we need to

> > > fight back with the strenght of love

> > and compassion?

> >

> > Yes. These are definitely some

> > immensely *valuable* skills and

> > *tricks* that one might indeed need to

> > consider and deploy!

> >

> > In fact, it is not entirely different

> > that *warfare* and one might indeed

> > need to learn and deploy s *strategy*!

> >

> > Consider situations of an experienced

> > and skilled teacher/parent dealing with

> > *disruptive*, *grumpy*, complaining

> > or just *manipulative* child!

> >

> > *Dealing* with many so called 'mature'

> > *adults* may not be that different!

>

>

>

> Of course, it´s the same but much worse ;-)

> The question is: do you have to fight back?

> Is there anything to defend?

 

Yes. Feeling of peace, joy, happiness might be one!

 

Unless one considers himself/herself *immune*

from everything!

 

>

>

> > > I would say that we don´t need

> > strenght at all when being

> > > psychologically attacked, because

> > there is nothing to defend.

> >

> > I will disagree here...

> >

> > The [usually hidden] purpose of the

> > *attack* is to make you *feel bad*

> > and you might have NO real interest in

> > *feeling bad* yourself!

> >

> > The *attack* succeeds when it forces

> > you to *feel bad* in spite of your

> > [initially] not wanting it!

>

>

>

>

> Here you are trying to control the situation.

> You´d rather feel good then bad and try to escape the bad feeling.

> The aim of the offender is already reached: he induced a fearful

> reaction ;-)

 

*Knowledge* and *realization* doesn't

necessarily mean Fear!

 

I might see somebody sneezing with

running nose, red eyes and know he/she

is infected and be highly contagious and

might even take necessary steps to protect

myself from infection.

 

Or, I can see a burning fire and avoid entering

that burning place unless necessary and when

I have to enter it try to wear protective gears!

 

IMV... it is simple human wisdom and our

*duty* as being human. As humans we are

vulnerable to many things and that knowledge

is a very important guide.

 

Courage need not be synonymous with... Stupidity!

 

Nor the *knowledge* with... Fear!

 

>

>

> > It might be important to realize the

> > real *motive* behind the *attack* and

> > then deal with it with awareness, consciousness,

> > intelligence, presence and TACT!

 

>

> The motive is offenders business,

> the reaction is mine.

 

I consider my *health* and its protection

from *germs* Very Much My business!

 

Inner Peace and Joy is nothing but natural

Inner Health!

 

 

>

>

> > In many situations, 'not resisting'

> > might indeed be the best

> > possible response!

> >

> > Yet, there are many situations when

> > *escaping*, 'not participating'

> > may not only no be a good option -in

> > fact in some situations it might

> > be FATAL - those situations especially

> > arise when someone emotionally

> > *attacking* you is in fact, doing it

> > on *purpose*!

>

>

> By not reacting, I don´t mean escaping.

> I mean receiving the attack without resistance.

> When this happens, the appropriate action

> takes place naturally.

 

 

That greatly depends on situations...

 

Many advertisers, propaganda experts,

political campaigners, instigators, PR experts

salesperson, marketing experts rely on their

*ability* to *invoke* certain

emotions in most/many/all humans in order

to be really successful!

 

Many Highly successful and strategic managers,

executives, debaters and lawyers rely on their

ability to invoke certain emotions in their

*target*!

 

Very few people [if any] have really

been able to win such *attacks* by just

`receiving it'!

 

However, *many* people have defended themselves

by clearly knowing and staying firm on their own ground,

stand, position and purpose!

 

 

>

> Len

>

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Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming

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> > So " samadhi " means total self-centredness to you?

>

> Yes and by Self I mean as in Ramana's

> and traditional Vedic literature as well

> as in common non-dual dialogue!

>

> It is the absence of all else!

 

 

Total exclusion.

I don´t think there is a way to communicate between us.

Your system is unpenetrable.

 

Len

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