Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 On Mar 31, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Insight wrote: > > But the longing > is there built into us like a jack-in-a-box that presses > for release. That is the hidden hunger that is within > us. The San people of the Kalahari refer to it as > 'the deep hunger which underlies the physical hunger > of the stomach.' > > > So - what have we as human beings come up with that > really addresses what Smith is referring to? > > > Joyce > ------------- > > P: Let's take look a look at a possible biological root for this problem. A root, which could have spiritual implications in the search for peace, and for sufficiency, because when all is said and done, what we hunger for is to feel sufficient and complete. That primordial biological hunger is the need to breath. Without oxygen the brain looses consciousness in three minutes or so, and brain cells begin to die after six minutes. What are the spiritual implications of this? 1) If Consciousness is the ground of being, why is it the first victim of hypoxia? It's this fragility of consciousness, and life in general, this constant hunger for air, which is the root of the primordial angst. 2) Those of us, who have practice mindfulness for a while, have noticed that consciousness is insufficient in another respect: It can't abide itself for long, when empty of all contents, it doesn't stay empty long, it turns away from itself, either by falling asleep, or samadhi, or turning to thoughts, or images. It is curious that it's only in unconsciousness that there is no movement of any kind. Hunger and desires are movements in consciousness. Unconsciousness is the only self-sufficient " state. " I know, this is a very unpalatable bone to chew on, and most will tossed away without a second look. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > On Mar 31, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Insight wrote: > > > > > But the longing > > is there built into us like a jack-in-a-box that presses > > for release. That is the hidden hunger that is within > > us. The San people of the Kalahari refer to it as > > 'the deep hunger which underlies the physical hunger > > of the stomach.' > > > > > > So - what have we as human beings come up with that > > really addresses what Smith is referring to? > > > > > > Joyce > > ------------- > > > > > > P: Let's take look a look at a possible biological > root for this problem. A root, which could have > spiritual implications in the search for peace, and > for sufficiency, because when all is said and > done, what we hunger for is to feel sufficient and > complete. That primordial biological hunger is the > need to breath. Without oxygen the brain looses > consciousness in three minutes or so, and brain > cells begin to die after six minutes. > > What are the spiritual implications of this? > > 1) If Consciousness is the ground of being, why is > it the first victim of hypoxia? It's this fragility of > consciousness, and life in general, this constant > hunger for air, which is the root of the primordial > angst. > > 2) Those of us, who have practice mindfulness > for a while, have noticed that consciousness is > insufficient in another respect: > > It can't abide itself for long, when empty of all > contents, it doesn't stay empty long, it turns > away from itself, either by falling asleep, or > samadhi, or turning to thoughts, or images. > > It is curious that it's only in unconsciousness > that there is no movement of any kind. > Hunger and desires are movements in > consciousness. Unconsciousness is the only > self-sufficient " state. " I know, this is a very > unpalatable bone to chew on, and most will > tossed away without a second look. > > Pete > I've looked it over five times Phil. I chewed and chewed. Now I'll throw it away. If I didn't, I be too conscious of it.....bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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