Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Surgeons Remove Two Fetuses From Infant By PAUL GARWOOD, AP ONLINE ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Surgeons operated on a 2-month-old Pakistani girl Tuesday to remove two fetuses that had grown inside her while she was still in her mother's womb, a doctor said. The infant, who was identified only as Nazia, was in critical condition following the two-hour operation at The Children's Hospital at Pakistan Institute of Medical Science in the capital, Islamabad, said Zaheer Abbasi, head of pediatric surgery at the hospital. Abbasi, the chief doctor who led the operation, said the case was the first he was aware of in Pakistan of fetus-in-fetu, where a fetus has grown inside another in the womb. " It is extremely rare to have two fetuses being discovered inside another, " Abbasi told The Associated Press, adding that he did not know what caused the medical abnormality. " Basically, it's a case of triplets, but two of the siblings grew in the other. " The baby comes from Abbotabad, about 30 miles north of Islamabad. She is the fifth child of a woman in her 30s, who was at the hospital to be with her daughter. Her father works in the Arabian Gulf. Abbasi said surgeons removed the two partially grown fetuses, totaling about two pounds, that had died at about 4 months. Other fetus-in-fetu cases have been reported elsewhere in the world. A report in a June 2000 issue of the U.S. journal Pediatrics called such occurrences rare and estimated their rate at about 1 per 500,000 births. 03/28/06 17:18 EST ..........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Surgeons Remove Two Fetuses From Infant > By PAUL GARWOOD, AP ONLINE > > ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Surgeons operated on a 2-month-old > Pakistani girl Tuesday to remove two fetuses that had grown inside > her while she was still in her mother's womb, a doctor said. Thousands of Christians are demonstrating against this cruel surgery. Abortion is against God´s will, no human should ever destroy what God has created ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > Surgeons Remove Two Fetuses From Infant > > By PAUL GARWOOD, AP ONLINE > > > > ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Surgeons operated on a 2-month-old > > Pakistani girl Tuesday to remove two fetuses that had grown inside > > her while she was still in her mother's womb, a doctor said. > > > Thousands of Christians are demonstrating against this cruel surgery. > Abortion is against God´s will, no human should ever destroy what God > has created ;-) > > Len > Hi Len...I'm not sure where I stand on the abortion issue in toto. I don't believe in either the surgical nor increasingly popular pharmeceutical methods that are undertaken for frivolous purposes like just not wanting to have a baby because it's inconvenient or any other trite reason.With regards to incest, rape, or extenuating circumstances with regard to the viability of the fetus or the question of the mother's health in carrying to term, I'm not so sure or dogmatic in my thoughts and opinions. But that's me and I can understand anyone holding polar opposite views on this incredibly highly sensitive matter. However under the circumstances of the article under consideration here and the fact that the fetuses were non viable SIBLINGS of the infant..frankly I can't see your point of view. Having said that, I would like to post an article regarding Christians using the Holy Book itself in their defence of the Opposite side namely: Right of Choice. Please go back and give the original article re the infant in Pakistan a re read and see if you don't change your mind on at least that particular case. Thank you for making me think on my position re this. ...bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Surgeons Remove Two Fetuses From Infant > > > By PAUL GARWOOD, AP ONLINE > > > > > > ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Surgeons operated on a 2-month-old > > > Pakistani girl Tuesday to remove two fetuses that had grown > inside > > > her while she was still in her mother's womb, a doctor said. > > > > > > Thousands of Christians are demonstrating against this cruel > surgery. > > Abortion is against God´s will, no human should ever destroy what > God > > has created ;-) > > > > Len > > > Hi Len...I'm not sure where I stand on the abortion issue in toto. I > don't believe in either the surgical nor increasingly popular > pharmeceutical methods that are undertaken for frivolous purposes > like just not wanting to have a baby because it's inconvenient or any > other trite reason.With regards to incest, rape, or extenuating > circumstances with regard to the viability of the fetus or the > question of the mother's health in carrying to term, I'm not so sure > or dogmatic in my thoughts and opinions. But that's me and I can > understand anyone holding polar opposite views on this incredibly > highly sensitive matter. However under the circumstances of the > article under consideration here and the fact that the fetuses were > non viable SIBLINGS of the infant..frankly I can't see your point of > view. Having said that, I would like to post an article regarding > Christians using the Holy Book itself in their defence of the > Opposite side namely: Right of Choice. Please go back and give the > original article re the infant in Pakistan a re read and see if you > don't change your mind on at least that particular case. > Thank you for making me think on my position re this. > ...bob > Interesting how often the " church " of any religion/belief system is dogmatic about 'beliefs' enough to kill to defend or further the 'cause'. Throughout history. I wonder how that relates to any possible world situation inviting inciting reciting 'choice'. hmmm. Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Surgeons Remove Two Fetuses From Infant > > > By PAUL GARWOOD, AP ONLINE > > > > > > ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Surgeons operated on a 2-month-old > > > Pakistani girl Tuesday to remove two fetuses that had grown > inside > > > her while she was still in her mother's womb, a doctor said. > > > > > > Thousands of Christians are demonstrating against this cruel > surgery. > > Abortion is against God´s will, no human should ever destroy what > God > > has created ;-) > > > > Len > > > Hi Len...I'm not sure where I stand on the abortion issue in toto. I > don't believe in either the surgical nor increasingly popular > pharmeceutical methods that are undertaken for frivolous purposes > like just not wanting to have a baby because it's inconvenient or any > other trite reason.With regards to incest, rape, or extenuating > circumstances with regard to the viability of the fetus or the > question of the mother's health in carrying to term, I'm not so sure > or dogmatic in my thoughts and opinions. But that's me and I can > understand anyone holding polar opposite views on this incredibly > highly sensitive matter. However under the circumstances of the > article under consideration here and the fact that the fetuses were > non viable SIBLINGS of the infant..frankly I can't see your point of > view. Having said that, I would like to post an article regarding > Christians using the Holy Book itself in their defence of the > Opposite side namely: Right of Choice. Please go back and give the > original article re the infant in Pakistan a re read and see if you > don't change your mind on at least that particular case. > Thank you for making me think on my position re this. > ...bob I was just joking with fundamantalism. Many " rights " and " wrongs " can differ from person to person. Even such a seemingly evident thing as killing other people being wrong is not evident for everybody. The only thing I can do is take responsibility for my own actions. Actions of other people, whether I approve them of not, are their responsibility and I can do very little about it. It's very difficult to change others, and I often question our motives to do that. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Surgeons Remove Two Fetuses From Infant > > > > By PAUL GARWOOD, AP ONLINE > > > > > > > > ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Surgeons operated on a 2-month-old > > > > Pakistani girl Tuesday to remove two fetuses that had grown > > inside > > > > her while she was still in her mother's womb, a doctor said. > > > > > > > > > Thousands of Christians are demonstrating against this cruel > > surgery. > > > Abortion is against God´s will, no human should ever destroy what > > God > > > has created ;-) > > > > > > Len > > > > > Hi Len...I'm not sure where I stand on the abortion issue in toto. > I > > don't believe in either the surgical nor increasingly popular > > pharmeceutical methods that are undertaken for frivolous purposes > > like just not wanting to have a baby because it's inconvenient or > any > > other trite reason.With regards to incest, rape, or extenuating > > circumstances with regard to the viability of the fetus or the > > question of the mother's health in carrying to term, I'm not so > sure > > or dogmatic in my thoughts and opinions. But that's me and I can > > understand anyone holding polar opposite views on this incredibly > > highly sensitive matter. However under the circumstances of the > > article under consideration here and the fact that the fetuses were > > non viable SIBLINGS of the infant..frankly I can't see your point > of > > view. Having said that, I would like to post an article regarding > > Christians using the Holy Book itself in their defence of the > > Opposite side namely: Right of Choice. Please go back and give the > > original article re the infant in Pakistan a re read and see if you > > don't change your mind on at least that particular case. > > Thank you for making me think on my position re this. > > ...bob > > > > > I was just joking with fundamantalism. > Many " rights " and " wrongs " can differ from person to person. > Even such a seemingly evident thing as killing other people being > wrong is not evident for everybody. > The only thing I can do is take responsibility for my own actions. > Actions of other people, whether I approve them of not, are their > responsibility and I can do very little about it. It's very difficult > to change others, and I often question our motives to do that. > > Len > I know what you mean Len.......I've been trying to change Larry, and as Chester A. Riley used to say in the old TV show The Life of Riley,.. " It's a losin' battle Gillis! " " and " What a revoltin' development this is! " . As to my motives for trying to change Larry....I haven't the slightest idea what my motives are for trying to change Larry.. come to think about it. But I'm not sure about his responsilbility regarding his utter fatuousness and obnoxious and ludicrous folly..sometimes I think he must be the Larry on the old Bob Newhart show..you know, " Im Larry, and this here's my brother Darryl, and my other brother Darryl " , From my understanding, THAT Larry named his own brothers..quite an imagination when he came to giving names...much like the imagination (oh hell you can't really call that thing in his head that..but anyway),much like the actions of OUR beloved Larry..the L.E.Man!..Hey that's it! A new TV show ... " American NUTCASE! " . ...........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Surgeons Remove Two Fetuses From Infant > > > > By PAUL GARWOOD, AP ONLINE > > > > > > > > ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Surgeons operated on a 2-month-old > > > > Pakistani girl Tuesday to remove two fetuses that had grown > > inside > > > > her while she was still in her mother's womb, a doctor said. > > > > > > > > > Thousands of Christians are demonstrating against this cruel > > surgery. > > > Abortion is against God´s will, no human should ever destroy what > > God > > > has created ;-) > > > > > > Len > > > > > Hi Len...I'm not sure where I stand on the abortion issue in toto. > I > > don't believe in either the surgical nor increasingly popular > > pharmeceutical methods that are undertaken for frivolous purposes > > like just not wanting to have a baby because it's inconvenient or > any > > other trite reason.With regards to incest, rape, or extenuating > > circumstances with regard to the viability of the fetus or the > > question of the mother's health in carrying to term, I'm not so > sure > > or dogmatic in my thoughts and opinions. But that's me and I can > > understand anyone holding polar opposite views on this incredibly > > highly sensitive matter. However under the circumstances of the > > article under consideration here and the fact that the fetuses were > > non viable SIBLINGS of the infant..frankly I can't see your point > of > > view. Having said that, I would like to post an article regarding > > Christians using the Holy Book itself in their defence of the > > Opposite side namely: Right of Choice. Please go back and give the > > original article re the infant in Pakistan a re read and see if you > > don't change your mind on at least that particular case. > > Thank you for making me think on my position re this. > > ...bob > > > > > Interesting how often the " church " of any religion/belief system is > dogmatic about 'beliefs' enough to kill to defend or further > the 'cause'. Throughout history. > > I wonder how that relates to any possible world situation inviting > inciting reciting 'choice'. hmmm. > > Ana > Right On Ana! ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > I was just joking with fundamantalism. > > Many " rights " and " wrongs " can differ from person to person. > > Even such a seemingly evident thing as killing other people being > > wrong is not evident for everybody. > > The only thing I can do is take responsibility for my own actions. > > Actions of other people, whether I approve them of not, are their > > responsibility and I can do very little about it. It's very > difficult > > to change others, and I often question our motives to do that. > > > > Len > I know what you mean Len.......I've been trying to change Larry, and > as Chester A. Riley used to say in the old TV show The Life of > Riley,.. " It's a losin' battle Gillis! " " and " What a revoltin' > development this is! " . LOL! > As to my motives for trying to change > Larry....I haven't the slightest idea what my motives are for trying > to change Larry.. come to think about it. But I'm not sure about his > responsilbility regarding his utter fatuousness and obnoxious and > ludicrous folly..sometimes I think he must be the Larry on the old > Bob Newhart show..you know, " Im Larry, and this here's my brother > Darryl, and my other brother Darryl " , From my understanding, THAT > Larry named his own brothers..quite an imagination when he came to > giving names...much like the imagination (oh hell you can't really > call that thing in his head that..but anyway),much like the actions > of OUR beloved Larry..the L.E.Man!..Hey that's it! A new TV > show ... " American NUTCASE! " . > > ...........bob :-) I´ve discovered for myself that it´s very interesting to observe my reaction to the behaviour of some people to which I have a stronger then usual reaction. It´s fascinating, it tells me so much about myself. So I think you should thank Larry for being his obnoxious self, which makes this interesting self-study possible for you ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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