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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/2/2006 3:30:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> illusyn writes:

>

> > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone

says

> > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and

> > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that.

> >

> > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> L.E: There we go again. Language problem, but I hope my comments

were

> interesting to you and others. Even the " residue " you refer to

still depends on

> memory as I said. There are memories of happy times and upsetting

ones but they

> are still memories not only visual, but feeling memories that as

you mention,

> can be " upsetting " threatening, and inciting desire for future

experiences.

> All depend on memory. The effect of memory can be controlled to

some extent by

> Mantras or other sub-vocal sounds and phrases. In that case, the

conscious

> ego self can insulate itself from the uprising pressures of images

and recalled

> situations. Len doesn't like this approach which he

call " suppression. " but

> if it works to reduce suffering, seem O.K. to me. And, when this

happens, you

> are IN the here and now, but are just not aware or conscious of it

until you

> stop doing that. If you can stop doing that. Everything and

everyone is in the

> here and now. It is not just a state of mind, it is existence

itself.

> That's what IT IS means.

>

> Larry Epston

 

 

 

Yes, what you´re talking about is of course suppression, and, on

longer term it could make one into an idiot, provided than one

wasn´t one already ;-)

But what Bill is saying sounds also pretty suppressive to me.

If some residue stays with me, I´m not " in the now " . Next step is to

compulsively try to forget all about it in order to get into " the

now " . We are always in the now of course, but very often we are

troubled by unpleasant memories and reactions. Making a judgement

about it isn´t helpful. The question is: can we deal with this

residue, so that it is really finished, and doesn´t come back, so

that there is no need to suppress it in any way?

 

Len

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In a message dated 4/2/2006 9:56:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB

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> Acceptance of what is/was neutralizes it. No suppression or avoidance

> required. Evolution is always about acceptance rather than control,

> struggle,

> defense, judgment, supression and avoidance. I would have thought that was

> obvious.

>

> Phil

>

 

L.E: Even " acceptance " implies a split, a division between yourself and your

experience. I wonder if this can heal or serve the process of integration.

It's not obvious. Perhaps I can say that meditation or sitting quietly IS

acceptance with no effort, and that can heal the apparent split between me and

myself, I and other.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/2/2006 9:58:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB

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> Are you a follower of the eightfold path, Larry?

>

> Phil

>

 

L.E: My effort at this stage of my life is to give up all effort and just BE,

and go from there, here. Or rather, I have given up all effort and accept me

as who I am, as I am.

The rest is just play or expression of life. Or, I am the universe expressing

itself as me, or this or that. Thanks for asking.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

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> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

>

>

> > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone says

> > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and

> > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that.

>

> Yes.

>

>

> > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens.

>

>

> And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-)

>

> Len

 

That's a question!

the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in the Now

when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer LOL

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

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> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

>

>

> > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone says

> > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and

> > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that.

>

> Yes.

>

>

> > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens.

>

>

> And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-)

>

> Len

>

 

nothing happens!

 

Now is a pointer outside of dual experience,

so there really is no " one " that is in the Now.

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone

says

> > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and

> > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that.

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> >

> > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens.

> >

> >

> > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-)

> >

> > Len

>

> That's a question!

> the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in the

Now

> when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer LOL

>

 

 

everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one excluded

 

the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....?

 

Marc

>

> >

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone

> says

> > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and

> > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that.

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > >

> > >

> > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens.

> > >

> > >

> > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-)

> > >

> > > Len

> >

> > That's a question!

> > the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in the

> Now

> > when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer LOL

> >

>

>

> everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one excluded

>

> the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....?

>

> Marc

 

 

Hi Marc,

 

there is no listener separated from what is listenend

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 "

<lissbon2002@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose

someone

> > says

> > > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you

and

> > > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like

that.

> > > >

> > > > Yes.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-)

> > > >

> > > > Len

> > >

> > > That's a question!

> > > the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in

the

> > Now

> > > when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer LOL

> > >

> >

> >

> > everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one

excluded

> >

> > the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....?

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> Hi Marc,

>

> there is no listener separated from what is listenend

 

so, whenever one listen to....whatever and whoever.....there is

everything one need to hear.....

 

and also....whenever one don't listen to something......there will

also be nobody listening to us.....

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 "

> <lissbon2002@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

<illusyn@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose

> someone

> > > says

> > > > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you

> and

> > > > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like

> that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Len

> > > >

> > > > That's a question!

> > > > the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in

> the

> > > Now

> > > > when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer

LOL

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one

> excluded

> > >

> > > the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....?

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > Hi Marc,

> >

> > there is no listener separated from what is listenend

>

> so, whenever one listen to....whatever and whoever.....there is

> everything one need to hear.....

>

> and also....whenever one don't listen to something......there will

> also be nobody listening to us.....

>

> Marc

>

I didn't hear this........bob

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Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 "

> > <lissbon2002@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> <illusyn@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose

> > someone

> > > > says

> > > > > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to

you

> > and

> > > > > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like

> > that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Len

> > > > >

> > > > > That's a question!

> > > > > the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not

in

> > the

> > > > Now

> > > > > when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer

> LOL

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one

> > excluded

> > > >

> > > > the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....?

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Marc,

> > >

> > > there is no listener separated from what is listenend

> >

> > so, whenever one listen to....whatever and whoever.....there is

> > everything one need to hear.....

> >

> > and also....whenever one don't listen to something......there

will

> > also be nobody listening to us.....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> I didn't hear this........bob

 

there is nothing to hear.....when there is nobody anymore to listen

to....

 

Marc

>

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/2/2006 4:41:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> lissbon2002 writes:

>

> > The question is: can we deal with this

> > residue, so that it is really finished, and doesn´t come back, so

> > that there is no need to suppress it in any way?

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> L.E: It is the humpty dumpty question again. Or how to return to

the uncarved

> block once the sculpture is released, or how to make moldy cheese

unmoldy.

> It can't be done. But if you as ego are bright and wise you can

avoid

> situations that you predict will be painful, you can leave

situations early, before

> they develop in something really bad, you can meditate to move to a

quieter

> calmer self sense, etc. etc. The message is': Avoid Accidents then

you won't have

> to repair the car or go to the hospital.

>

> Larry Epston

 

 

You just have no idea what I'm talking about.

And you don't seem interested, either.

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/2/2006 4:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> lissbon2002 writes:

>

> > But there are many

> > ways to deal with

> > >those " special one " as well.

> >

> >

> > Let me guess: through repeating a " special " mantra? ;-)

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> L.E: Mantras are just one of many ways to deal with suffering, and

don't

> knock it if you haven't tried it. Try Buddha's eightfold path for

instance.

> Concerning K, I find his lectures tedious and uninteresting and at

least in part,

> fraud. His thought follow the traditional patterns of self-inquiry

so his

> ideas are not original, not that they have to be, to be helpful.

If you get

> something out of his lectures, squeeze the lemon and get all the

juice you can. My

> blessings.

>

> Larry Epston

 

 

 

I don't " get " anything from his lectures. The lectures are not a

lemon, neither are they a ready to eat hot dog.

Without some degree of attention on your part you will keep doing

what you're doing right now: repeating some nonsense to keep yourself

busy.

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone

says

> > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and

> > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that.

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> >

> > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens.

> >

> >

> > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-)

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> nothing happens!

>

> Now is a pointer outside of dual experience,

> so there really is no " one " that is in the Now.

>

> Bill

 

 

My impression is that you attach some importance to this " being in

the now " , like you call it. As if it was better then " not being in

the now " . Is this so?

 

Len

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In a message dated 4/3/2006 6:31:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:59:19 EDT

epston

Leaving no residue

 

In a message dated 4/2/2006 9:56:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB

writes:

 

> Acceptance of what is/was neutralizes it. No suppression or avoidance

> required. Evolution is always about acceptance rather than control,

> struggle,

> defense, judgment, supression and avoidance. I would have thought that was

 

> obvious.

>

> Phil

>

 

L.E: Even " acceptance " implies a split, a division between yourself and your

experience. I wonder if this can heal or serve the process of integration.

It's not obvious. Perhaps I can say that meditation or sitting quietly IS

acceptance with no effort, and that can heal the apparent split between me

and

myself, I and other.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

Well, acceptance, as such, doesn't imply a split, just as it doesn't imply

" violence " as Toom would say. 'To accept' does imply a split, and this is why

acceptance is not something that is done. One cannot choose to accept any

more than he can choose to be joyfull or at peace.

 

And yet, acceptance, joy and peace can and do come about. Exploring how this

comes about, and what prevents it from coming about, is what the

exploration.... is about. It's kind of a 'back door' approach, so to speak,

where we

recognize that acceptance is not a conscious choice and we let go of the absurd

struggle to accept. Instead, we look at the attachments, the anger, the fear,

the need, the self deceptions that keep acceptance from occurring naturally.

This is the heart of ego, and so hardly ever does ego see this as a

productive approach. Go figure.

 

As mentioned before, the entire spiritual 'path' is about revealing illusion

rather than seeking ultimate Truth or pretending that illusion doesn't

happen.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/3/2006 6:31:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:05:13 EDT

epston

Re: Leaving no residue

 

In a message dated 4/2/2006 9:58:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB

writes:

 

> Are you a follower of the eightfold path, Larry?

>

> Phil

>

 

L.E: My effort at this stage of my life is to give up all effort and just

BE,

and go from there, here. Or rather, I have given up all effort and accept

me

as who I am, as I am.

The rest is just play or expression of life. Or, I am the universe

expressing

itself as me, or this or that. Thanks for asking.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

Okay, that makes sense. I understand the perfection of everyone's particular

path for them, and so if I question, it's not to suggest that you're doing

anything wrong or that your approach is anything less than perfect for you, so

don't take offense. It's just me questioning myself. BTW, this applies to

everything I jabber about here to anyone. I really see no other good reason to

be here, although I also enjoy my explorations here for the most part.

 

The irony of the effort to give up all effort is pretty obvious, and so I

assume there is some kind of a 'process' that you're engaged in to bring about

this effortlessness. We don't have a tool to create effortlessness, all we

have is the mind, which is a 'doing' thing. And so that's what we use.

 

The gurus often tell us to do nothing. They're in the odd position of

talking to somebody who thinks they're somebody other than what they are, and

from

that false identity, they want to know how to find this Self that they refuse

to see. Obviously, a human who thinks he's a pterodactyl is never going to

find his humanness as long as there is a pterodactyl looking for it, and so

sometimes the best thing to be said is to stop the looking.

 

Gangagi tells us over and over, to just " stop......stop......stop " because

that's what she was told and it worked. (Love ya babe, don't change a thing.)

but it worked, not because it's some kind of magical technique, but because

she was ready to stop. The question that can be asked is, is there something to

be done to get ready to stop doing. I believe the answer to this is yes.

 

Many folks, when they're told to stop the effort, make an effort to stop the

effort. This is a rest stop on the way to God, since it's not possible for

that to actually work. Some other folks accept the idea that they don't exist

and work at convincing themselves of this, which creates two ironies. First,

the one who it is believed doesn't exist is the one trying to convince itself

of that, thereby reinforcing the idea that it does, in fact, exist. Second,

the focus is on eliminating existence, and so one's actual true existence, for

which he searches, may be overlooked. The best that can be hoped for is the

void, which is not at all a fun 'place'. Other folks will give up the search

and go back to whatever they were doing before they started. This implies

that seeking never leads to finding, which, in spite of the ironies, is not

empirically so.

 

Self inquiry, in the very broadest meaning of the term, is my 'path'. While

there is certainly a good deal of 'looking' within consciousness, without

though, for the source/Self, most of the inquiry is a search for the truth about

the illusion that this egoic identity has created and continues to maintain,

and why.

 

Effortlessness is acceptance, and so it seems odd that one is embraced and

the other rejected, but in any case, what was written in a previous post about

acceptance is the doing that is being done here in the hopes of leading to

the stopping of the doing. It is, indeed, an odd game we play here.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't " get " anything from his lectures. The lectures are not a

lemon, neither are they a ready to eat hot dog.

Without some degree of attention on your part you will keep doing

what you're doing right now: repeating some nonsense to keep yourself

busy.

 

Len

 

L.E: See it your own way not that you want or need my permission.

I probably won't write you anymore, not that you care.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

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> In a message dated 4/2/2006 4:41:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> lissbon2002 writes:

>

> > The question is: can we deal with this

> > residue, so that it is really finished, and doesn´t come back, so

> > that there is no need to suppress it in any way?

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> L.E: It is the humpty dumpty question again. Or how to return to

the uncarved

> block once the sculpture is released, or how to make moldy cheese

unmoldy.

> It can't be done. But if you as ego are bright and wise you can

avoid

> situations that you predict will be painful, you can leave

situations early, before

> they develop in something really bad, you can meditate to move to a

quieter

> calmer self sense, etc. etc. The message is': Avoid Accidents then

you won't have

> to repair the car or go to the hospital.

>

> Larry Epston

 

 

You just have no idea what I'm talking about.

And you don't seem interested, either.

 

Len

L.E: Perhaps you are correct that I have no idea what you are talking about and

that's my limitation, and perhaps you don't understand what I

am talking about, and that is your limitation. And if I wasn't interested, I

wouldn't be writting a response.

But to be more direct and simplistic, I don't think residue from painful

experiences

can be eliminated, they can just be buried until some stress or experience fires

them up again. And I think the only

way to temporarily deal with these impressions is by using a suppressant like a

band-aid, or aspirin for a headache.

 

What you call residue is called Samskaras in India. And I think my advice is

good, to avoid pain producing situations

if possible and get out of difficulties as soon as possible to reduce the

impressions.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

 

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> L.E: Perhaps you are correct that I have no idea what you are

talking about and that's my limitation, and perhaps you don't

understand what I

> am talking about, and that is your limitation. And if I wasn't

interested, I wouldn't be writting a response.

> But to be more direct and simplistic, I don't think residue from

painful experiences

> can be eliminated,

 

 

Yes, the can be eliminated.

Interested?

 

Len

 

 

 

 

> they can just be buried until some stress or experience fires them

up again. And I think the only

> way to temporarily deal with these impressions is by using a

suppressant like a band-aid, or aspirin for a headache.

>

> What you call residue is called Samskaras in India. And I think

my advice is good, to avoid pain producing situations

> if possible and get out of difficulties as soon as possible to

reduce the impressions.

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

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My impression is that you attach some importance to this " being in

the now " , like you call it. As if it was better then " not being in

the now " . Is this so?

 

Len

 

L.E: Yes this is so. In the state, condition, experience or presence of being

in the here and now, time does not exist, the limiting ego does not exist, the

sense of separation from others does not exist, the possibility of emracing all

of Life exists, feeling connected to the whole universe exists.

Is that enough for you?

Or do you have some sarcastic, nasty, mean-spirited remark to make?

And, if my comments bother you or bring forth your cruel side, don't read them,

Len, Bob, and Michael.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

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>

> My impression is that you attach some importance to this " being in

> the now " , like you call it. As if it was better then " not being in

> the now " . Is this so?

>

> Len

>

> L.E: Yes this is so. In the state, condition, experience or

presence of being in the here and now, time does not exist, the

limiting ego does not exist, the sense of separation from others

does not exist, the possibility of emracing all of Life exists,

feeling connected to the whole universe exists.

> Is that enough for you?

 

 

No, you forgot the mantra.

 

 

 

> Or do you have some sarcastic, nasty, mean-spirited remark to make?

> And, if my comments bother you or bring forth your cruel side,

don't read them, Len, Bob, and Michael.

 

 

If you have problems with our comments, don´t read them ;)

 

Len

> Larry Epston

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In a message dated 4/5/2006 1:41:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:55:59 -0400

epston

Re: Re: Leaving no residue

 

 

My impression is that you attach some importance to this " being in

the now " , like you call it. As if it was better then " not being in

the now " . Is this so?

 

Len

 

L.E: Yes this is so. In the state, condition, experience or presence of

being in the here and now, time does not exist, the limiting ego does not

exist,

the sense of separation from others does not exist, the possibility of

emracing all of Life exists, feeling connected to the whole universe exists.

Is that enough for you?

Or do you have some sarcastic, nasty, mean-spirited remark to make?

And, if my comments bother you or bring forth your cruel side, don't read

them, Len, Bob, and Michael.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

I was a bit confused by the question as well. Being in the now is clearly a

good thing. Maybe we're afraid of calling something desirable? I dunno.

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

 

 

> I was a bit confused by the question as well. Being in the now is

clearly a

> good thing. Maybe we're afraid of calling something desirable? I

dunno.

 

 

Yes, of course it is, Phil.

I asked this question some time ago, and the reason I did it, was my

feeling that this being in the now could also be made into a kind of

religious norm, compulsion without real meaning. Many years of talking

on the internet have made me cautious of misunderstandings.

In that case my feeling appeared to be wrong, to my great joy :-)

 

Len

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In a message dated 4/3/2006 2:30:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> L.E: But to be more direct and simplistic, I don't think residue from

> painful experiences

> can be eliminated,

>

>

> Yes, the (They?) can be eliminated.

> Interested?

>

> Len

 

L.E: If you already know that, why are you taking up so much space

presenting " residue " as your problem or question?

Are you running a test?

You don't seem to have eliminated yours so what do you know about it?

I am aware that occasions of suffering are naturally buried by new

experiences and gradually fade away. All the rest is just talk.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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