Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/2/2006 3:30:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > illusyn writes: > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone says > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that. > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens. > > > > Bill > > > L.E: There we go again. Language problem, but I hope my comments were > interesting to you and others. Even the " residue " you refer to still depends on > memory as I said. There are memories of happy times and upsetting ones but they > are still memories not only visual, but feeling memories that as you mention, > can be " upsetting " threatening, and inciting desire for future experiences. > All depend on memory. The effect of memory can be controlled to some extent by > Mantras or other sub-vocal sounds and phrases. In that case, the conscious > ego self can insulate itself from the uprising pressures of images and recalled > situations. Len doesn't like this approach which he call " suppression. " but > if it works to reduce suffering, seem O.K. to me. And, when this happens, you > are IN the here and now, but are just not aware or conscious of it until you > stop doing that. If you can stop doing that. Everything and everyone is in the > here and now. It is not just a state of mind, it is existence itself. > That's what IT IS means. > > Larry Epston Yes, what you´re talking about is of course suppression, and, on longer term it could make one into an idiot, provided than one wasn´t one already ;-) But what Bill is saying sounds also pretty suppressive to me. If some residue stays with me, I´m not " in the now " . Next step is to compulsively try to forget all about it in order to get into " the now " . We are always in the now of course, but very often we are troubled by unpleasant memories and reactions. Making a judgement about it isn´t helpful. The question is: can we deal with this residue, so that it is really finished, and doesn´t come back, so that there is no need to suppress it in any way? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 In a message dated 4/2/2006 9:56:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > Acceptance of what is/was neutralizes it. No suppression or avoidance > required. Evolution is always about acceptance rather than control, > struggle, > defense, judgment, supression and avoidance. I would have thought that was > obvious. > > Phil > L.E: Even " acceptance " implies a split, a division between yourself and your experience. I wonder if this can heal or serve the process of integration. It's not obvious. Perhaps I can say that meditation or sitting quietly IS acceptance with no effort, and that can heal the apparent split between me and myself, I and other. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 In a message dated 4/2/2006 9:58:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > Are you a follower of the eightfold path, Larry? > > Phil > L.E: My effort at this stage of my life is to give up all effort and just BE, and go from there, here. Or rather, I have given up all effort and accept me as who I am, as I am. The rest is just play or expression of life. Or, I am the universe expressing itself as me, or this or that. Thanks for asking. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone says > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that. > > Yes. > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens. > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-) > > Len That's a question! the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in the Now when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer LOL > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone says > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that. > > Yes. > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens. > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-) > > Len > nothing happens! Now is a pointer outside of dual experience, so there really is no " one " that is in the Now. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone says > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that. > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens. > > > > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-) > > > > Len > > That's a question! > the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in the Now > when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer LOL > everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one excluded the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....? Marc > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone > says > > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and > > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that. > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens. > > > > > > > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-) > > > > > > Len > > > > That's a question! > > the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in the > Now > > when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer LOL > > > > > everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one excluded > > the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....? > > Marc Hi Marc, there is no listener separated from what is listenend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone > > says > > > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and > > > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that. > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-) > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > That's a question! > > > the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in the > > Now > > > when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer LOL > > > > > > > > > everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one excluded > > > > the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....? > > > > Marc > > > Hi Marc, > > there is no listener separated from what is listenend so, whenever one listen to....whatever and whoever.....there is everything one need to hear..... and also....whenever one don't listen to something......there will also be nobody listening to us..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose > someone > > > says > > > > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you > and > > > > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like > that. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-) > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > That's a question! > > > > the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in > the > > > Now > > > > when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one > excluded > > > > > > the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....? > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > there is no listener separated from what is listenend > > so, whenever one listen to....whatever and whoever.....there is > everything one need to hear..... > > and also....whenever one don't listen to something......there will > also be nobody listening to us..... > > Marc > I didn't hear this........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > > <lissbon2002@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " > <illusyn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose > > someone > > > > says > > > > > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you > > and > > > > > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > That's a question! > > > > > the one who is holding the thought " In my view one is not in > > the > > > > Now > > > > > when that happens " is not in the position to give an answer > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody is in a position to answer about " Now " ....no one > > excluded > > > > > > > > the problem is....how to listen to all at same time....? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > there is no listener separated from what is listenend > > > > so, whenever one listen to....whatever and whoever.....there is > > everything one need to hear..... > > > > and also....whenever one don't listen to something......there will > > also be nobody listening to us..... > > > > Marc > > > I didn't hear this........bob there is nothing to hear.....when there is nobody anymore to listen to.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/2/2006 4:41:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > The question is: can we deal with this > > residue, so that it is really finished, and doesn´t come back, so > > that there is no need to suppress it in any way? > > > > Len > > > > L.E: It is the humpty dumpty question again. Or how to return to the uncarved > block once the sculpture is released, or how to make moldy cheese unmoldy. > It can't be done. But if you as ego are bright and wise you can avoid > situations that you predict will be painful, you can leave situations early, before > they develop in something really bad, you can meditate to move to a quieter > calmer self sense, etc. etc. The message is': Avoid Accidents then you won't have > to repair the car or go to the hospital. > > Larry Epston You just have no idea what I'm talking about. And you don't seem interested, either. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/2/2006 4:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > But there are many > > ways to deal with > > >those " special one " as well. > > > > > > Let me guess: through repeating a " special " mantra? ;-) > > > > Len > > > > L.E: Mantras are just one of many ways to deal with suffering, and don't > knock it if you haven't tried it. Try Buddha's eightfold path for instance. > Concerning K, I find his lectures tedious and uninteresting and at least in part, > fraud. His thought follow the traditional patterns of self-inquiry so his > ideas are not original, not that they have to be, to be helpful. If you get > something out of his lectures, squeeze the lemon and get all the juice you can. My > blessings. > > Larry Epston I don't " get " anything from his lectures. The lectures are not a lemon, neither are they a ready to eat hot dog. Without some degree of attention on your part you will keep doing what you're doing right now: repeating some nonsense to keep yourself busy. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > By " leaving a residue " I mean something like: suppose someone says > > > something or does something that is very upsetting to you and > > > that *stays with you* for the remainer of the day. Like that. > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > In my view one is not in the Now when that happens. > > > > > > And what happens when one is " in the Now " ? :-) > > > > Len > > > > nothing happens! > > Now is a pointer outside of dual experience, > so there really is no " one " that is in the Now. > > Bill My impression is that you attach some importance to this " being in the now " , like you call it. As if it was better then " not being in the now " . Is this so? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 In a message dated 4/3/2006 6:31:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:59:19 EDT epston Leaving no residue In a message dated 4/2/2006 9:56:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > Acceptance of what is/was neutralizes it. No suppression or avoidance > required. Evolution is always about acceptance rather than control, > struggle, > defense, judgment, supression and avoidance. I would have thought that was > obvious. > > Phil > L.E: Even " acceptance " implies a split, a division between yourself and your experience. I wonder if this can heal or serve the process of integration. It's not obvious. Perhaps I can say that meditation or sitting quietly IS acceptance with no effort, and that can heal the apparent split between me and myself, I and other. Larry Epston Well, acceptance, as such, doesn't imply a split, just as it doesn't imply " violence " as Toom would say. 'To accept' does imply a split, and this is why acceptance is not something that is done. One cannot choose to accept any more than he can choose to be joyfull or at peace. And yet, acceptance, joy and peace can and do come about. Exploring how this comes about, and what prevents it from coming about, is what the exploration.... is about. It's kind of a 'back door' approach, so to speak, where we recognize that acceptance is not a conscious choice and we let go of the absurd struggle to accept. Instead, we look at the attachments, the anger, the fear, the need, the self deceptions that keep acceptance from occurring naturally. This is the heart of ego, and so hardly ever does ego see this as a productive approach. Go figure. As mentioned before, the entire spiritual 'path' is about revealing illusion rather than seeking ultimate Truth or pretending that illusion doesn't happen. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 In a message dated 4/3/2006 6:31:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:05:13 EDT epston Re: Leaving no residue In a message dated 4/2/2006 9:58:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > Are you a follower of the eightfold path, Larry? > > Phil > L.E: My effort at this stage of my life is to give up all effort and just BE, and go from there, here. Or rather, I have given up all effort and accept me as who I am, as I am. The rest is just play or expression of life. Or, I am the universe expressing itself as me, or this or that. Thanks for asking. Larry Epston Okay, that makes sense. I understand the perfection of everyone's particular path for them, and so if I question, it's not to suggest that you're doing anything wrong or that your approach is anything less than perfect for you, so don't take offense. It's just me questioning myself. BTW, this applies to everything I jabber about here to anyone. I really see no other good reason to be here, although I also enjoy my explorations here for the most part. The irony of the effort to give up all effort is pretty obvious, and so I assume there is some kind of a 'process' that you're engaged in to bring about this effortlessness. We don't have a tool to create effortlessness, all we have is the mind, which is a 'doing' thing. And so that's what we use. The gurus often tell us to do nothing. They're in the odd position of talking to somebody who thinks they're somebody other than what they are, and from that false identity, they want to know how to find this Self that they refuse to see. Obviously, a human who thinks he's a pterodactyl is never going to find his humanness as long as there is a pterodactyl looking for it, and so sometimes the best thing to be said is to stop the looking. Gangagi tells us over and over, to just " stop......stop......stop " because that's what she was told and it worked. (Love ya babe, don't change a thing.) but it worked, not because it's some kind of magical technique, but because she was ready to stop. The question that can be asked is, is there something to be done to get ready to stop doing. I believe the answer to this is yes. Many folks, when they're told to stop the effort, make an effort to stop the effort. This is a rest stop on the way to God, since it's not possible for that to actually work. Some other folks accept the idea that they don't exist and work at convincing themselves of this, which creates two ironies. First, the one who it is believed doesn't exist is the one trying to convince itself of that, thereby reinforcing the idea that it does, in fact, exist. Second, the focus is on eliminating existence, and so one's actual true existence, for which he searches, may be overlooked. The best that can be hoped for is the void, which is not at all a fun 'place'. Other folks will give up the search and go back to whatever they were doing before they started. This implies that seeking never leads to finding, which, in spite of the ironies, is not empirically so. Self inquiry, in the very broadest meaning of the term, is my 'path'. While there is certainly a good deal of 'looking' within consciousness, without though, for the source/Self, most of the inquiry is a search for the truth about the illusion that this egoic identity has created and continues to maintain, and why. Effortlessness is acceptance, and so it seems odd that one is embraced and the other rejected, but in any case, what was written in a previous post about acceptance is the doing that is being done here in the hopes of leading to the stopping of the doing. It is, indeed, an odd game we play here. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 I don't " get " anything from his lectures. The lectures are not a lemon, neither are they a ready to eat hot dog. Without some degree of attention on your part you will keep doing what you're doing right now: repeating some nonsense to keep yourself busy. Len L.E: See it your own way not that you want or need my permission. I probably won't write you anymore, not that you care. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/2/2006 4:41:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > The question is: can we deal with this > > residue, so that it is really finished, and doesn´t come back, so > > that there is no need to suppress it in any way? > > > > Len > > > > L.E: It is the humpty dumpty question again. Or how to return to the uncarved > block once the sculpture is released, or how to make moldy cheese unmoldy. > It can't be done. But if you as ego are bright and wise you can avoid > situations that you predict will be painful, you can leave situations early, before > they develop in something really bad, you can meditate to move to a quieter > calmer self sense, etc. etc. The message is': Avoid Accidents then you won't have > to repair the car or go to the hospital. > > Larry Epston You just have no idea what I'm talking about. And you don't seem interested, either. Len L.E: Perhaps you are correct that I have no idea what you are talking about and that's my limitation, and perhaps you don't understand what I am talking about, and that is your limitation. And if I wasn't interested, I wouldn't be writting a response. But to be more direct and simplistic, I don't think residue from painful experiences can be eliminated, they can just be buried until some stress or experience fires them up again. And I think the only way to temporarily deal with these impressions is by using a suppressant like a band-aid, or aspirin for a headache. What you call residue is called Samskaras in India. And I think my advice is good, to avoid pain producing situations if possible and get out of difficulties as soon as possible to reduce the impressions. Larry Epston ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > L.E: Perhaps you are correct that I have no idea what you are talking about and that's my limitation, and perhaps you don't understand what I > am talking about, and that is your limitation. And if I wasn't interested, I wouldn't be writting a response. > But to be more direct and simplistic, I don't think residue from painful experiences > can be eliminated, Yes, the can be eliminated. Interested? Len > they can just be buried until some stress or experience fires them up again. And I think the only > way to temporarily deal with these impressions is by using a suppressant like a band-aid, or aspirin for a headache. > > What you call residue is called Samskaras in India. And I think my advice is good, to avoid pain producing situations > if possible and get out of difficulties as soon as possible to reduce the impressions. > > Larry Epston > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, > sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group > and click on Save Changes. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 My impression is that you attach some importance to this " being in the now " , like you call it. As if it was better then " not being in the now " . Is this so? Len L.E: Yes this is so. In the state, condition, experience or presence of being in the here and now, time does not exist, the limiting ego does not exist, the sense of separation from others does not exist, the possibility of emracing all of Life exists, feeling connected to the whole universe exists. Is that enough for you? Or do you have some sarcastic, nasty, mean-spirited remark to make? And, if my comments bother you or bring forth your cruel side, don't read them, Len, Bob, and Michael. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > My impression is that you attach some importance to this " being in > the now " , like you call it. As if it was better then " not being in > the now " . Is this so? > > Len > > L.E: Yes this is so. In the state, condition, experience or presence of being in the here and now, time does not exist, the limiting ego does not exist, the sense of separation from others does not exist, the possibility of emracing all of Life exists, feeling connected to the whole universe exists. > Is that enough for you? No, you forgot the mantra. > Or do you have some sarcastic, nasty, mean-spirited remark to make? > And, if my comments bother you or bring forth your cruel side, don't read them, Len, Bob, and Michael. If you have problems with our comments, don´t read them Len > Larry Epston > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 In a message dated 4/5/2006 1:41:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:55:59 -0400 epston Re: Re: Leaving no residue My impression is that you attach some importance to this " being in the now " , like you call it. As if it was better then " not being in the now " . Is this so? Len L.E: Yes this is so. In the state, condition, experience or presence of being in the here and now, time does not exist, the limiting ego does not exist, the sense of separation from others does not exist, the possibility of emracing all of Life exists, feeling connected to the whole universe exists. Is that enough for you? Or do you have some sarcastic, nasty, mean-spirited remark to make? And, if my comments bother you or bring forth your cruel side, don't read them, Len, Bob, and Michael. Larry Epston I was a bit confused by the question as well. Being in the now is clearly a good thing. Maybe we're afraid of calling something desirable? I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > I was a bit confused by the question as well. Being in the now is clearly a > good thing. Maybe we're afraid of calling something desirable? I dunno. Yes, of course it is, Phil. I asked this question some time ago, and the reason I did it, was my feeling that this being in the now could also be made into a kind of religious norm, compulsion without real meaning. Many years of talking on the internet have made me cautious of misunderstandings. In that case my feeling appeared to be wrong, to my great joy :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 In a message dated 4/3/2006 2:30:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: > L.E: But to be more direct and simplistic, I don't think residue from > painful experiences > can be eliminated, > > > Yes, the (They?) can be eliminated. > Interested? > > Len L.E: If you already know that, why are you taking up so much space presenting " residue " as your problem or question? Are you running a test? You don't seem to have eliminated yours so what do you know about it? I am aware that occasions of suffering are naturally buried by new experiences and gradually fade away. All the rest is just talk. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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