Trying to live up to a standard is a violent act!

[Guest guest]

< If my preference for honesty and respect for human life implies a

higher

< standard and better behavior, so be it. I'm not concerned if I choose

honesty

< over lying and that is a judgment about dishonesty and killing, murder

and death.

 

< Larry Epston

 

In my view, the having of any standard at all, whether high or low,

accompanied by the attempt to live according to it is to be violent.

Why? Because it pits one part/function of the body/mind over and against

another part/function. This conflict is violence in action.

 

< L.E: My effort at this stage of my life is to give up all effort and

just BE,

< and go from there, here. Or rather, I have given up all effort and

accept me

< as who I am, as I am.

< The rest is just play or expression of life. Or, I am the universe

expressing

< itself as me, or this or that. Thanks for asking.

 

In regards to " efforts " , all efforts imply the intention to achieve a

future end, a goal. This end or goal doesn't now, it exists only in

one's imagination as a concept (emotionally overladen or otherwise) in

the imagined future (i.e., not now). The efforting to achieve it is a

" me " -centered project sometimes referred to as masturbation. It's the

desire to pursue, have, possess, and control a certain *experience*. It

is the anitithesis of true sufferender which occurs as the result of

radical insight into the source, dynamics, mechanism, limitations,

futility, stupidity, violence, and non-necessity of seeking.

 

As for you being the " ...universe expressing itself as me, or this or

that " ...it comes across as *head knowledge* to me. From what posts of

yours I've read, they appear to be riddled with " assertions, name

calling, judgement, criticism, superiority, make-wrongs, and

condescension " , lacking both a sense of inquiry or explanation of why

you've come to the conclusions you currently have, as if you sit on a

higher pedastal and pity us po' ignorant folk. If this is accurate,

that's an extremely lonely and painful place to *live*. Obviously I

could be completely off base. If so, it ain't the first time and it

ain't gonna be the last!

 

Michael

[Guest guest]

In my view, the having of any standard at all, whether high or low,

accompanied by the attempt to live according to it is to be violent.

Why? Because it pits one part/function of the body/mind over and against

another part/function. This conflict is violence in action.

 

~~~~~

 

yeah...

a refreshing comment

 

Of course someone will come along and say you mean

that you don't care if you take a bath or not?

Or if you ever wash your car?

 

That's the delemma I'm always running into.

When I'm not talking about " ordinary think " ,

but about *something else*... I find it difficult

nailing down what the difference is.

 

If you have an answer to that I'd be most interested.

 

Bill

 

PS: I very much enjoy your posts Michael.

Always refreshing and they always have

" that ring " !

[Guest guest]

L.E: If my preference for honesty and respect for human life implies a

higher

< standard and better behavior, so be it. I'm not concerned if I choose

honesty

< over lying and that is a judgment about dishonesty and killing, murder

and death.

 

< Larry Epston

 

M: In my view, the having of any standard at all, whether high or low,

accompanied by the attempt to live according to it is to be violent.

Why? Because it pits one part/function of the body/mind over and against

another part/function. This conflict is violence in action.

 

< L.E: My effort at this stage of my life is to give up all effort and

just BE,

< and go from there, here. Or rather, I have given up all effort and

accept me

< as who I am, as I am.

< The rest is just play or expression of life. Or, I am the universe

expressing

< itself as me, or this or that. Thanks for asking.

 

M: In regards to " efforts " , all efforts imply the intention to achieve a

future end, a goal. This end or goal doesn't now, it exists only in

one's imagination as a concept (emotionally overladen or otherwise) in

the imagined future (i.e., not now). The efforting to achieve it is a

" me " -centered project sometimes referred to as masturbation. It's the

desire to pursue, have, possess, and control a certain *experience*. It

is the anitithesis of true sufferender which occurs as the result of

radical insight into the source, dynamics, mechanism, limitations,

futility, stupidity, violence, and non-necessity of seeking.

 

As for you being the " ...universe expressing itself as me, or this or

that " ...it comes across as *head knowledge* to me. From what posts of

yours I've read, they appear to be riddled with " assertions, name

calling, judgement, criticism, superiority, make-wrongs, and

condescension " , lacking both a sense of inquiry or explanation of why

you've come to the conclusions you currently have, as if you sit on a

higher pedastal and pity us po' ignorant folk. If this is accurate,

that's an extremely lonely and painful place to *live*. Obviously I

could be completely off base. If so, it ain't the first time and it

ain't gonna be the last!

 

Michael

 

 

L.E: I'm not sure why I wrote this or what I meant today: " I'm not concerned if

I choose

honesty over lying and that is a judgment about dishonesty and killing, murder

and death. "

M: As for you being the " ...universe expressing itself as me, or this or

that " ...it comes across as *head knowledge* to me.

 

L.E: Not for me. It is the absolute truth as I see and experience who and what

I am.

M: Obviously I could be completely off base. If so, it ain't the first time and

it

ain't gonna be the last!

L.E: Perhaps I am as you describe. Doesn't seem so to me as me, but I could be

completely

off base. I can't tell, but I'll think about it. Painful to read tho. Your

opinion adds to

my feeling of suffering in life that I feel sometimes. Disapproval hurts. But

I'll get over it I assume.

 

In myself, I don't feel pain or lonely, but as I said, your disapproval hurts a

lot.

I try to be honest and write from my heart what I think, see, feel. I think

perhaps my disapproval of K is reflect

in your disapproval of me. Maybe you see it as insulting your teacher, like the

muslim's go nuts if the prophet is disparged in

any way such as a cartoon.

Anyhow, please don't read my posts if they bother you and invite or evoke your

feelings of hostility.

And, concerning " efforts " I wrote " I have given up all efforts " if you had

taken the time to read the rest of the sentence before you clicked into

judgment.

Larry Epston