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Question. After leaving this Asramam,

in October, I was aware of the Presence

that prevails in Sri Bhagavan's

Presence enfolding me for about ten

days. All the time, while busy in my

work, there was an under-current of

that peace in unity; it was almost like

the dual consciousness which one

experiences while half-asleep in a dull

lecture. Then, it faded out entirely;

and the old stupidities came in

instead. Work leaves no time for

separate meditation. Is it enough

constantly reminding oneself 'I AM',

while at work?

 

 

 

M. (After a short pause). If you

STRENGTHEN THE MIND, that peace will

continue for all time. Its duration is

PROPORTIONAL to the strength of mind

acquired by repeated practice. And such

a mind is able to hold on to the

current. In that case, engagement or no

engagement in work, the current remains

unaffected and uninterrupted. It is not

the work that hinders but the idea that

it is you who are doing it.

 

 

Question. Is a set meditation

necessary for strengthening the mind?

 

 

M. Not, if you keep the idea always

before you, that it is not your work.

At first, effort is needed to remind

yourself of it, but later on it becomes

natural and continuous. The work will

go on of its own accord, and your peace

will remain undisturbed.

 

Meditation is your true nature. You

call it meditation now, because there

are other thoughts distracting you.

When these thoughts are dispelled, you

remain alone-that is, in the state of meditation

free from thoughts; and that is your

real nature, which you are now trying

to gain by keeping away other thoughts.

Such keeping away of other thoughts is

now called meditation. But when the

practice becomes FIRM, the real nature

shows itself as true meditation.

 

Question. Other thoughts arise more

forcibly when one attempts meditation!

 

M. Yes, all kinds of thought arise

in meditation. That is only right; for

what lies hidden in you is brought out.

Unless it rises up, how can it be

destroyed ? Thoughts

rise up spontaneously, as it were, but

only to be extinguished in due course,

thus strengthening the mind.

 

 

Question. There are times when

persons and things take a vague, almost

a transparent form, as in a dream. One

ceases to observe them as outside, but

is passively conscious of their

existence, while not actively conscious

of any kind of selfhood. There is a

deep quietness in the mind. Is it at

such times that one is ready to dive

into the Self? Or is this condition

unhealthy, the result of self-

hypnotism? Should it be encouraged as

yielding temporary peace ?

 

 

M. There is Consciousness Along With

Quietness In The Mind; this is EXACTLY

the state to be aimed at. The fact that

the question has been framed on this

point, without realizing that it is the

Self, shows that the state is not

steady but casual.

 

The word 'diving' is appropriate when

there are outgoing tendencies, and

when, therefore, the mind has to be

directed and turned within, there is a

dip below the surface of externalities.

But when quietness prevails without

obstructing the Consciousness, where is

the need to dive ? If that state has

not been realized as the Self, the

effort to do so may be called 'diving'.

In this sense the state may be said to

be suitable for realization or diving.

Thus, the last two questions you have

put do not arise.

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Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming

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> Question. After leaving this Asramam,

> in October, I was aware of the Presence

> that prevails in Sri Bhagavan's

> Presence enfolding me for about ten

> days. All the time, while busy in my

> work, there was an under-current of

> that peace in unity; it was almost like

> the dual consciousness which one

> experiences while half-asleep in a dull

> lecture. Then, it faded out entirely;

> and the old stupidities came in

> instead. Work leaves no time for

> separate meditation. Is it enough

> constantly reminding oneself 'I AM',

> while at work?

>

>

>

> M. (After a short pause). If you

> STRENGTHEN THE MIND, that peace will

> continue for all time. Its duration is

> PROPORTIONAL to the strength of mind

> acquired by repeated practice. And such

> a mind is able to hold on to the

> current. In that case, engagement or no

> engagement in work, the current remains

> unaffected and uninterrupted. It is not

> the work that hinders but the idea that

> it is you who are doing it.

>

>

> Question. Is a set meditation

> necessary for strengthening the mind?

>

>

> M. Not, if you keep the idea always

> before you, that it is not your work.

> At first, effort is needed to remind

> yourself of it, but later on it becomes

> natural and continuous. The work will

> go on of its own accord, and your peace

> will remain undisturbed.

>

> Meditation is your true nature. You

> call it meditation now, because there

> are other thoughts distracting you.

> When these thoughts are dispelled, you

> remain alone-that is, in the state of meditation

> free from thoughts; and that is your

> real nature, which you are now trying

> to gain by keeping away other thoughts.

> Such keeping away of other thoughts is

> now called meditation. But when the

> practice becomes FIRM, the real nature

> shows itself as true meditation.

>

> Question. Other thoughts arise more

> forcibly when one attempts meditation!

>

> M. Yes, all kinds of thought arise

> in meditation. That is only right; for

> what lies hidden in you is brought out.

> Unless it rises up, how can it be

> destroyed ? Thoughts

> rise up spontaneously, as it were, but

> only to be extinguished in due course,

> thus strengthening the mind.

>

>

> Question. There are times when

> persons and things take a vague, almost

> a transparent form, as in a dream. One

> ceases to observe them as outside, but

> is passively conscious of their

> existence, while not actively conscious

> of any kind of selfhood. There is a

> deep quietness in the mind. Is it at

> such times that one is ready to dive

> into the Self? Or is this condition

> unhealthy, the result of self-

> hypnotism? Should it be encouraged as

> yielding temporary peace ?

>

>

> M. There is Consciousness Along With

> Quietness In The Mind; this is EXACTLY

> the state to be aimed at. The fact that

> the question has been framed on this

> point, without realizing that it is the

> Self, shows that the state is not

> steady but casual.

>

> The word 'diving' is appropriate when

> there are outgoing tendencies, and

> when, therefore, the mind has to be

> directed and turned within, there is a

> dip below the surface of externalities.

> But when quietness prevails without

> obstructing the Consciousness, where is

> the need to dive ? If that state has

> not been realized as the Self, the

> effort to do so may be called 'diving'.

> In this sense the state may be said to

> be suitable for realization or diving.

> Thus, the last two questions you have

> put do not arise.

 

 

 

So this strenghtening the mind is clearly reinforcing the wall of

the ego, which strives for inner " peace " through exlusion of " outer "

reality. However, the more we close our door for what we wish to

eliminate, the stronger the pressure of the " outer " reality becomes.

Finally the wall will collapse and one will be overwhelmed by the

chaos and violence of all suppressed parts of reality.

This is how wars are being generated.

 

Len

 

Len

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> >

> > Question. There are times when

> > persons and things take a vague, almost

> > a transparent form, as in a dream. One

> > ceases to observe them as outside, but

> > is passively conscious of their

> > existence, while not actively conscious

> > of any kind of selfhood. There is a

> > deep quietness in the mind. Is it at

> > such times that one is ready to dive

> > into the Self? Or is this condition

> > unhealthy, the result of self-

> > hypnotism? Should it be encouraged as

> > yielding temporary peace ?

> >

> >

> > M. There is Consciousness Along With

> > Quietness In The Mind; this is EXACTLY

> > the state to be aimed at. The fact that

> > the question has been framed on this

> > point, without realizing that it is the

> > Self, shows that the state is not

> > steady but casual.

 

> >

 

[...]

 

>

>

> So this strenghtening the mind is clearly reinforcing the wall of

> the ego, which strives for inner " peace " through exlusion

of " outer "

> reality. However, the more we close our door for what we wish to

> eliminate, the stronger the pressure of the " outer " reality

becomes.

> Finally the wall will collapse and one will be overwhelmed by the

> chaos and violence of all suppressed parts of reality.

> This is how wars are being generated.

 

 

Developing Inner Strength doesn't require

supression of anything.

 

Just as 'ligting a candle' doesn't require

'supression of darkness'!

 

Darkness might dissapear on its own because

it can not withsatnd light; but, the light

need not worry about darkness at all.

 

Similarilly once Consciouness becomes STRONG,

many 'unconscious' tendencies stop occuring

on their own and that doesn't require their

supression!

 

 

 

>

> Len

>

> Len

>

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Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming

wrote:

>

> [...]

>

> > >

> > > Question. There are times when

> > > persons and things take a vague, almost

> > > a transparent form, as in a dream. One

> > > ceases to observe them as outside, but

> > > is passively conscious of their

> > > existence, while not actively conscious

> > > of any kind of selfhood. There is a

> > > deep quietness in the mind. Is it at

> > > such times that one is ready to dive

> > > into the Self? Or is this condition

> > > unhealthy, the result of self-

> > > hypnotism? Should it be encouraged as

> > > yielding temporary peace ?

> > >

> > >

> > > M. There is Consciousness Along With

> > > Quietness In The Mind; this is EXACTLY

> > > the state to be aimed at. The fact that

> > > the question has been framed on this

> > > point, without realizing that it is the

> > > Self, shows that the state is not

> > > steady but casual.

>

> > >

>

> [...]

>

> >

> >

> > So this strenghtening the mind is clearly reinforcing the wall of

> > the ego, which strives for inner " peace " through exlusion

> of " outer "

> > reality. However, the more we close our door for what we wish to

> > eliminate, the stronger the pressure of the " outer " reality

> becomes.

> > Finally the wall will collapse and one will be overwhelmed by the

> > chaos and violence of all suppressed parts of reality.

> > This is how wars are being generated.

>

>

> Developing Inner Strength doesn't require

> supression of anything.

>

> Just as 'ligting a candle' doesn't require

> 'supression of darkness'!

 

 

 

It doesn't require strenght, either.

What do you need the strenght for?

What are you affraid of?

 

Len

 

 

 

> Darkness might dissapear on its own because

> it can not withsatnd light; but, the light

> need not worry about darkness at all.

>

> Similarilly once Consciouness becomes STRONG,

> many 'unconscious' tendencies stop occuring

> on their own and that doesn't require their

> supression!

>

>

>

> >

> > Len

> >

> > Len

> >

>

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> > Developing Inner Strength doesn't require

> > supression of anything.

> >

> > Just as 'ligting a candle' doesn't require

> > 'supression of darkness'!

>

>

>

> It doesn't require strenght, either.

> What do you need the strenght for?

> What are you affraid of?

>

> Len

 

 

'Strength of Mind' is an Inner thing

and it is not dependent of external

objects.

 

It need not be a retaliation, reaction

or result of external objects.

 

 

Fear is the result of the perception

of the external objects and is

dependent on the seeing something

'external'!

 

Inner strength needs no such

['external'] needs!

 

 

Having greater mental strength can

naturally eliminate many things

[including fear]... yet, strength

itself need not be retaliation to any

fear!

 

 

>

> > Darkness might dissapear on its own because

> > it can not withsatnd light; but, the light

> > need not worry about darkness at all.

> >

> > Similarilly once Consciouness becomes STRONG,

> > many 'unconscious' tendencies stop occuring

> > on their own and that doesn't require their

> > supression!

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Len

> > >

> > > Len

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming

wrote:

>

> [...]

>

> > > Developing Inner Strength doesn't require

> > > supression of anything.

> > >

> > > Just as 'ligting a candle' doesn't require

> > > 'supression of darkness'!

> >

> >

> >

> > It doesn't require strenght, either.

> > What do you need the strenght for?

> > What are you affraid of?

> >

> > Len

>

>

> 'Strength of Mind' is an Inner thing

> and it is not dependent of external

> objects.

>

> It need not be a retaliation, reaction

> or result of external objects.

>

>

> Fear is the result of the perception

> of the external objects and is

> dependent on the seeing something

> 'external'!

>

> Inner strength needs no such

> ['external'] needs!

>

>

> Having greater mental strength can

> naturally eliminate many things

> [including fear]... yet, strength

> itself need not be retaliation to any

> fear!

 

 

And how do you culitivate it?

Going to mental strenght fitness club? :-)

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

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> Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@>

> wrote:

> >

> > [...]

> >

> > > > Developing Inner Strength doesn't require

> > > > supression of anything.

> > > >

> > > > Just as 'ligting a candle' doesn't require

> > > > 'supression of darkness'!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It doesn't require strenght, either.

> > > What do you need the strenght for?

> > > What are you affraid of?

> > >

> > > Len

> >

> >

> > 'Strength of Mind' is an Inner thing

> > and it is not dependent of external

> > objects.

> >

> > It need not be a retaliation, reaction

> > or result of external objects.

> >

> >

> > Fear is the result of the perception

> > of the external objects and is

> > dependent on the seeing something

> > 'external'!

> >

> > Inner strength needs no such

> > ['external'] needs!

> >

> >

> > Having greater mental strength can

> > naturally eliminate many things

> > [including fear]... yet, strength

> > itself need not be retaliation to any

> > fear!

>

>

> And how do you culitivate it?

> Going to mental strenght fitness club? :-)

>

> Len

 

how could you know what mental strenght is......

you don't need it....

 

like a cat who got plenty of food....don't need more of food

 

the world is your food

 

Marc

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