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" The present state of theoretical physics implies that empty space

has all energy and that matter is a slight increase of that energy

and therefore matter is like a small ripple on this tremendous ocean

of energy, having some relative stability and being manifest.

" Therefore my suggestion is that this implicate order implies a

reality immensely beyond what we call matter. Matter itself is merely

a ripple in this background. " (David Bohm)

 

Briefly there are three major new scientific " paradigms " . The three

major shifts in scientific ideas are Implicate order, (the hidden

order behind the universe), Dissipative structures (far-from-

equilibrium systems like fluid vortices or life organisms) and

Morphological fields (invisible fields which stabilize and fix the

patterns of forms).

The Implicate order is a boundless whole which can be envisioned as a

great holo-movement which continually enfolds and unfolds. Future and

past are within the Implicate order, which of itself just Is.

The creator of the theory of implicate order, David Bohm, feels that

there is even a super-implicate order, or maybe even a series of

levels. His vision increasingly approaches that of our old seven-

level map of the Philosophia Perennis. One suggestion is that the

super-implicate order might be one of consciousness.

 

" Let me propose that consciousness is basically in the implicate

order as all matter is and therefore it's not that consciousness is

one thing and matter another. Rather consciousness is a material

process and consciousness is itself in the implicate order, as is all

matter, and consciousness manifests in some explicate order as does

matter.

What Bohm seems to be saying from his standpoint of theoretical

Quantum physics, is that in non-manifest reality (Implicate order)

all is interpenetrating, interconnected and One.

" So we say deep down the consciousness of mankind is one. This is a

virtual certainty because even in the vacuum, matter is one; and if

we don't see this it is because we are blinding ourselves to it.

Eddington once said that " the stuff of the world is mind stuff and we

are seeing the possibility that science could come to view

consciousness as the evolutionary territory of the species as the

mystics do.

Another fragment of the theory which might help our investigation

lies in the concept that space does not separate things, it unites

them. Our normal view is of two separate points in space joined by a

hypothetical dotted line in space. But there is a radical shift in

perception if we see that only the dotted line is actually real, with

two abstract points appearing on it. The event of individual man

might be seen this way. For in this model there are no separate

people joined by that hypothetical dotted line, only the line itself —

mankind. This would mean that any sense of individuality would be

false and an illusion. Another way of putting such a shattering idea

is that space is more real than the objects within it. The

tiny " ripple events of matter " in the Void can only be known through

our minds and our minds are the event — that tiny ripple.

In this revolutionary model we are not only shaped by evolution, but

we are the shapers.

" We're part of the movement, there is no separation between us and

it, we are part of the way in which that shapes itself.

One of David Bohm's favorite models for the implicate order or

unfolding and enfolding is that of a dye being dropped in glycerine

which is held between two rotatung cylinders. As one is turned, the

drop disappears in a homogenous mixture within the background of

glycerine. However, if the direction of rotation is reversed, the dye

reappears as it was. Bohm suggests that existence manifests itself in

a similar fashion.

 

.......bob

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Another fragment of the theory which might help our investigation

lies in the concept that space does not separate things, it unites

them. Our normal view is of two separate points in space joined by a

hypothetical dotted line in space. But there is a radical shift in

perception if we see that only the dotted line is actually real, with

two abstract points appearing on it. The event of individual man

might be seen this way. For in this model there are no separate

people joined by that hypothetical dotted line, only the line itself —

mankind. This would mean that any sense of individuality would be

false and an illusion. Another way of putting such a shattering idea

is that space is more real than the objects within it.

 

~~~~~

 

*that* is interesting...

 

 

or... Now is more real than the " stuff that goes on " .

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> " The present state of theoretical physics implies that empty space

> has all energy and that matter is a slight increase of that energy

> and therefore matter is like a small ripple on this tremendous ocean

> of energy, having some relative stability and being manifest.

> " Therefore my suggestion is that this implicate order implies a

> reality immensely beyond what we call matter. Matter itself is merely

> a ripple in this background. " (David Bohm)

>

> Briefly there are three major new scientific " paradigms " . The three

> major shifts in scientific ideas are Implicate order, (the hidden

> order behind the universe), Dissipative structures (far-from-

> equilibrium systems like fluid vortices or life organisms) and

> Morphological fields (invisible fields which stabilize and fix the

> patterns of forms).

> The Implicate order is a boundless whole which can be envisioned as a

> great holo-movement which continually enfolds and unfolds. Future and

> past are within the Implicate order, which of itself just Is.

> The creator of the theory of implicate order, David Bohm, feels that

> there is even a super-implicate order, or maybe even a series of

> levels. His vision increasingly approaches that of our old seven-

> level map of the Philosophia Perennis. One suggestion is that the

> super-implicate order might be one of consciousness.

>

> " Let me propose that consciousness is basically in the implicate

> order as all matter is and therefore it's not that consciousness is

> one thing and matter another. Rather consciousness is a material

> process and consciousness is itself in the implicate order, as is all

> matter, and consciousness manifests in some explicate order as does

> matter.

> What Bohm seems to be saying from his standpoint of theoretical

> Quantum physics, is that in non-manifest reality (Implicate order)

> all is interpenetrating, interconnected and One.

> " So we say deep down the consciousness of mankind is one. This is a

> virtual certainty because even in the vacuum, matter is one; and if

> we don't see this it is because we are blinding ourselves to it.

> Eddington once said that " the stuff of the world is mind stuff and we

> are seeing the possibility that science could come to view

> consciousness as the evolutionary territory of the species as the

> mystics do.

> Another fragment of the theory which might help our investigation

> lies in the concept that space does not separate things, it unites

> them. Our normal view is of two separate points in space joined by a

> hypothetical dotted line in space. But there is a radical shift in

> perception if we see that only the dotted line is actually real, with

> two abstract points appearing on it. The event of individual man

> might be seen this way. For in this model there are no separate

> people joined by that hypothetical dotted line, only the line itself —

> mankind. This would mean that any sense of individuality would be

> false and an illusion. Another way of putting such a shattering idea

> is that space is more real than the objects within it. The

> tiny " ripple events of matter " in the Void can only be known through

> our minds and our minds are the event — that tiny ripple.

> In this revolutionary model we are not only shaped by evolution, but

> we are the shapers.

> " We're part of the movement, there is no separation between us and

> it, we are part of the way in which that shapes itself.

> One of David Bohm's favorite models for the implicate order or

> unfolding and enfolding is that of a dye being dropped in glycerine

> which is held between two rotatung cylinders. As one is turned, the

> drop disappears in a homogenous mixture within the background of

> glycerine. However, if the direction of rotation is reversed, the dye

> reappears as it was. Bohm suggests that existence manifests itself in

> a similar fashion.

>

> .......bob

>

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That thing on Space reminds me :

Two nights ago, very awake in a deep sleep, I was the

night all around, filling everything, that velvety

dark all envelopping omnipresent coat, and the last

thought I sent to Patricia was :

I am the night around and in your nostrils.

That made her laught and woke her up.

 

That night.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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