Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > -- In Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > " The present state of theoretical physics implies > that empty space > > has all energy and that matter is a slight increase > of that energy > > and therefore matter is like a small ripple on this > tremendous ocean > > of energy, having some relative stability and being > manifest. > > " Therefore my suggestion is that this implicate > order implies a > > reality immensely beyond what we call matter. Matter > itself is merely > > a ripple in this background. " (David Bohm) > > > > Briefly there are three major new scientific > " paradigms " . The three > > major shifts in scientific ideas are Implicate > order, (the hidden > > order behind the universe), Dissipative structures > (far-from- > > equilibrium systems like fluid vortices or > life organisms) and > > Morphological fields (invisible fields which > stabilize and fix the > > patterns of forms). > > The Implicate order is a boundless whole which can > be envisioned as a > > great holo-movement which continually enfolds and > unfolds. Future and > > past are within the Implicate order, which of itself > just Is. > > The creator of the theory of implicate order, David > Bohm, feels that > > there is even a super-implicate order, or maybe even > a series of > > levels. His vision increasingly approaches that of > our old seven- > > level map of the Philosophia Perennis. One > suggestion is that the > > super-implicate order might be one of consciousness. > > > > " Let me propose that consciousness is basically in > the implicate > > order as all matter is and therefore it's not that > consciousness is > > one thing and matter another. Rather consciousness > is a material > > process and consciousness is itself in the implicate > order, as is all > > matter, and consciousness manifests in some > explicate order as does > > matter. > > What Bohm seems to be saying from his standpoint of > theoretical > > Quantum physics, is that in non-manifest reality > (Implicate order) > > all is interpenetrating, interconnected and One. > > " So we say deep down the consciousness of mankind is > one. This is a > > virtual certainty because even in the vacuum, matter > is one; and if > > we don't see this it is because we are blinding > ourselves to it. > > Eddington once said that " the stuff of the world is > mind stuff and we > > are seeing the possibility that science could come > to view > > consciousness as the evolutionary territory of the > species as the > > mystics do. > > Another fragment of the theory which might help our > investigation > > lies in the concept that space does not separate > things, it unites > > them. Our normal view is of two separate points in > space joined by a > > hypothetical dotted line in space. But there is a > radical shift in > > perception if we see that only the dotted line is > actually real, with > > two abstract points appearing on it. The event of > individual man > > might be seen this way. For in this model there are > no separate > > people joined by that hypothetical dotted line, only > the line itself — > > mankind. This would mean that any sense of > individuality would be > > false and an illusion. Another way of putting such a > shattering idea > > is that space is more real than the objects within > it. The > > tiny " ripple events of matter " in the Void can only > be known through > > our minds and our minds are the event — that tiny > ripple. > > In this revolutionary model we are not only shaped > by evolution, but > > we are the shapers. > > " We're part of the movement, there is no separation > between us and > > it, we are part of the way in which that shapes > itself. > > One of David Bohm's favorite models for the > implicate order or > > unfolding and enfolding is that of a dye being > dropped in glycerine > > which is held between two rotatung cylinders. As one > is turned, the > > drop disappears in a homogenous mixture within the > background of > > glycerine. However, if the direction of rotation is > reversed, the dye > > reappears as it was. Bohm suggests that existence > manifests itself in > > a similar fashion. > > > > .......bob > > There is no empty space! > > Great article! > That tells me a little why my fascination with space! > I am a space fanatique, the form of art I`ve been > practising is called sumi-e. > i call it space breaking. > To think that we inhale that substance and that it > containes All...a little freaky perhaps? > > Patricia > Is it possible to see samples of your art, via the Web? I too am an artist. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > -- In Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > " The present state of theoretical physics implies > that empty space > > has all energy and that matter is a slight increase > of that energy > > and therefore matter is like a small ripple on this > tremendous ocean > > of energy, having some relative stability and being > manifest. > > " Therefore my suggestion is that this implicate > order implies a > > reality immensely beyond what we call matter. Matter > itself is merely > > a ripple in this background. " (David Bohm) > > > > Briefly there are three major new scientific > " paradigms " . The three > > major shifts in scientific ideas are Implicate > order, (the hidden > > order behind the universe), Dissipative structures > (far-from- > > equilibrium systems like fluid vortices or > life organisms) and > > Morphological fields (invisible fields which > stabilize and fix the > > patterns of forms). > > The Implicate order is a boundless whole which can > be envisioned as a > > great holo-movement which continually enfolds and > unfolds. Future and > > past are within the Implicate order, which of itself > just Is. > > The creator of the theory of implicate order, David > Bohm, feels that > > there is even a super-implicate order, or maybe even > a series of > > levels. His vision increasingly approaches that of > our old seven- > > level map of the Philosophia Perennis. One > suggestion is that the > > super-implicate order might be one of consciousness. > > > > " Let me propose that consciousness is basically in > the implicate > > order as all matter is and therefore it's not that > consciousness is > > one thing and matter another. Rather consciousness > is a material > > process and consciousness is itself in the implicate > order, as is all > > matter, and consciousness manifests in some > explicate order as does > > matter. > > What Bohm seems to be saying from his standpoint of > theoretical > > Quantum physics, is that in non-manifest reality > (Implicate order) > > all is interpenetrating, interconnected and One. > > " So we say deep down the consciousness of mankind is > one. This is a > > virtual certainty because even in the vacuum, matter > is one; and if > > we don't see this it is because we are blinding > ourselves to it. > > Eddington once said that " the stuff of the world is > mind stuff and we > > are seeing the possibility that science could come > to view > > consciousness as the evolutionary territory of the > species as the > > mystics do. > > Another fragment of the theory which might help our > investigation > > lies in the concept that space does not separate > things, it unites > > them. Our normal view is of two separate points in > space joined by a > > hypothetical dotted line in space. But there is a > radical shift in > > perception if we see that only the dotted line is > actually real, with > > two abstract points appearing on it. The event of > individual man > > might be seen this way. For in this model there are > no separate > > people joined by that hypothetical dotted line, only > the line itself — > > mankind. This would mean that any sense of > individuality would be > > false and an illusion. Another way of putting such a > shattering idea > > is that space is more real than the objects within > it. The > > tiny " ripple events of matter " in the Void can only > be known through > > our minds and our minds are the event — that tiny > ripple. > > In this revolutionary model we are not only shaped > by evolution, but > > we are the shapers. > > " We're part of the movement, there is no separation > between us and > > it, we are part of the way in which that shapes > itself. > > One of David Bohm's favorite models for the > implicate order or > > unfolding and enfolding is that of a dye being > dropped in glycerine > > which is held between two rotatung cylinders. As one > is turned, the > > drop disappears in a homogenous mixture within the > background of > > glycerine. However, if the direction of rotation is > reversed, the dye > > reappears as it was. Bohm suggests that existence > manifests itself in > > a similar fashion. > > > > .......bob > > There is no empty space! > > Great article! > That tells me a little why my fascination with space! > I am a space fanatique, the form of art I`ve been > practising is called sumi-e. > i call it space breaking. > To think that we inhale that substance and that it > containes All...a little freaky perhaps? > > Patricia > Is it possible to see samples of your art, via the Web? I too am an artist. Bill I am getting a website together but there are only 4 pieces on, at the moment. Go check it out but go back in a few days : patriciaoconnor.com do you have a site on the wed Bill? What do you do? Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. 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Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > -- In Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > " The present state of theoretical physics implies > > that empty space > > > has all energy and that matter is a slight > increase > > of that energy > > > and therefore matter is like a small ripple on > this > > tremendous ocean > > > of energy, having some relative stability and > being > > manifest. > > > " Therefore my suggestion is that this implicate > > order implies a > > > reality immensely beyond what we call matter. > Matter > > itself is merely > > > a ripple in this background. " (David Bohm) > > > > > > Briefly there are three major new scientific > > " paradigms " . The three > > > major shifts in scientific ideas are Implicate > > order, (the hidden > > > order behind the universe), Dissipative structures > > > (far-from- > > > equilibrium systems like fluid vortices or > > life organisms) and > > > Morphological fields (invisible fields which > > stabilize and fix the > > > patterns of forms). > > > The Implicate order is a boundless whole which can > > be envisioned as a > > > great holo-movement which continually enfolds and > > unfolds. Future and > > > past are within the Implicate order, which of > itself > > just Is. > > > The creator of the theory of implicate order, > David > > Bohm, feels that > > > there is even a super-implicate order, or maybe > even > > a series of > > > levels. His vision increasingly approaches that of > > our old seven- > > > level map of the Philosophia Perennis. One > > suggestion is that the > > > super-implicate order might be one of > consciousness. > > > > > > " Let me propose that consciousness is basically in > > the implicate > > > order as all matter is and therefore it's not that > > consciousness is > > > one thing and matter another. Rather consciousness > > is a material > > > process and consciousness is itself in the > implicate > > order, as is all > > > matter, and consciousness manifests in some > > explicate order as does > > > matter. > > > What Bohm seems to be saying from his standpoint > of > > theoretical > > > Quantum physics, is that in non-manifest reality > > (Implicate order) > > > all is interpenetrating, interconnected and One. > > > " So we say deep down the consciousness of mankind > is > > one. This is a > > > virtual certainty because even in the vacuum, > matter > > is one; and if > > > we don't see this it is because we are blinding > > ourselves to it. > > > Eddington once said that " the stuff of the world > is > > mind stuff and we > > > are seeing the possibility that science could come > > to view > > > consciousness as the evolutionary territory of the > > species as the > > > mystics do. > > > Another fragment of the theory which might help > our > > investigation > > > lies in the concept that space does not separate > > things, it unites > > > them. Our normal view is of two separate points in > > space joined by a > > > hypothetical dotted line in space. But there is a > > radical shift in > > > perception if we see that only the dotted line is > > actually real, with > > > two abstract points appearing on it. The event of > > individual man > > > might be seen this way. For in this model there > are > > no separate > > > people joined by that hypothetical dotted line, > only > > the line itself — > > > mankind. This would mean that any sense of > > individuality would be > > > false and an illusion. Another way of putting such > a > > shattering idea > > > is that space is more real than the objects within > > it. The > > > tiny " ripple events of matter " in the Void can > only > > be known through > > > our minds and our minds are the event — that tiny > > ripple. > > > In this revolutionary model we are not only shaped > > by evolution, but > > > we are the shapers. > > > " We're part of the movement, there is no > separation > > between us and > > > it, we are part of the way in which that shapes > > itself. > > > One of David Bohm's favorite models for the > > implicate order or > > > unfolding and enfolding is that of a dye being > > dropped in glycerine > > > which is held between two rotatung cylinders. As > one > > is turned, the > > > drop disappears in a homogenous mixture within the > > background of > > > glycerine. However, if the direction of rotation > is > > reversed, the dye > > > reappears as it was. Bohm suggests that existence > > manifests itself in > > > a similar fashion. > > > > > > .......bob > > > > There is no empty space! > > > > Great article! > > That tells me a little why my fascination with > space! > > I am a space fanatique, the form of art I`ve been > > practising is called sumi-e. > > i call it space breaking. > > To think that we inhale that substance and that it > > containes All...a little freaky perhaps? > > > > Patricia > > > > Is it possible to see samples of your art, via the > Web? > > I too am an artist. > > Bill > > I am getting a website together but there are only 4 > pieces on, at the moment. > Go check it out but go back in a few days : > patriciaoconnor.com > > do you have a site on the wed Bill? > What do you do? > > Patricia > > > on the wed..?.. Is that a freudidian slipper Pat? There has been much asking lately of Bill et al if he/they are married or have a goil friend etcetera etcetera .......bob > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 I am getting a website together but there are only 4 pieces on, at the moment. Go check it out but go back in a few days : patriciaoconnor.com do you have a site on the wed Bill? What do you do? Patricia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Those are nice.... lots of empty space! If find the composition on the first one (Camelia and bird) very interesting. my site is: www.art-nova.com The site is very old... when I get the new site-building system I am now working on completed I will redesign/rebuild the site. The " Transcendental Realism " paintings are mostly done with acryclics (some with watercolor). The vibrant images with figures in the (Mystical Alchemy Series) are made from scans of my abstract paintings and scans of hand rendered figures assembled in Photoshop. The Essence Drawings are drawn very quickly by hand on paper. I too have been influenced by the " controlled accident " approach to painting originating in the Orient. The Transcendental Realism abstracts are done with a technique that is very much a controlled accident approach, just as with the kind of brush work you do. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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