Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Have you read Mind and Nature? That to me is one of the freshest books, such lucid, distilled thinking. So original in a way of looking at things. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Have you read Mind and Nature? > > That to me is one of the freshest books, > such lucid, distilled thinking. So original > in a way of looking at things. > > Bill > yes more than once..and " Innocence and Experience " , " Steps to an Ecology of Mind " , plus " Angels Fear " - Towards an Epistemology of the Sacred, written with Mary Catherine Bateson ( VERY big in Iran as well as the U.S.). Anthropologist Margaret Mead was Bateson's first wife(kinda way back even for an oldster like me),as you probably already know. His theory of the double bind and his being a founding father of cybernetics are two biggies for me and his point of view that Mind is a constituent part of `material reality' and it is thus nonsensical to try to split mind from matter are mind blowing in his explications. Back in the day of rock and roll that moved the soul, most of us would-be hippies of the counter-culture of the 60's, championed Bateson as a hero's hero and one of the most enlightened of the " FINDERS " . Someday..and it won't be long IMO, G. B. will be given credit for being one of, if not the leading Guiding Lights of Man and Mind.Really glad to see you getting intio him Bill...as Watts was fond of saying..'You'll be Astonished! " .........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Have you read Mind and Nature? > > > > That to me is one of the freshest books, > > such lucid, distilled thinking. So original > > in a way of looking at things. > > > > Bill > > > yes more than once..and " Innocence and Experience " , " Steps to an > Ecology of Mind " , plus " Angels Fear " - Towards an Epistemology of the > Sacred, written with Mary Catherine Bateson ( VERY big in Iran as > well as the U.S.). Anthropologist Margaret Mead was Bateson's first > wife(kinda way back even for an oldster like me),as you probably > already know. His theory of the double bind and his being a founding > father of cybernetics are two biggies for me and his point of view > that Mind is a constituent part of `material reality' and it is thus > nonsensical to try to split mind from matter are mind blowing in his > explications. Back in the day of rock and roll that moved the soul, > most of us would-be hippies of the counter-culture of the 60's, > championed Bateson as a hero's hero and one of the most enlightened > of the " FINDERS " . Someday..and it won't be long IMO, G. B. will be > given credit for being one of, if not the leading Guiding Lights of > Man and Mind.Really glad to see you getting intio him Bill...as Watts > was fond of saying..'You'll be Astonished! " > .........bob He's got my vote. Hadn't heard of *Innocence and Experience*. I have Angel's Fear. Made a couple of starts at it, but never could really get into it. What do you think of that book? Also, any comments about *Innocence and Experience*? I didn't know of him as being one of the founders of cybernetics. I thought most of the credit for that went to Norber Weiner. He talks of the double bind in " Steps " ... didn't know the idea originated with him. I remeber him talking about schizophrenic parents inducing double binds by dual messages, one from the verbal (sweetness) and one from the para-linguistic (hostile). Seems like he also talked in there about the importance of therapy in-context... talking about how taking a kid out of the home, doing therapy... kid shows major improvement... put him back in the home and Zoom, right back into it again. You know I don't think I ever read *all* of " Steps " ... About mind not being separate from the material -- which works the other way around as well, BTW -- that is something that fits into topics here. Perhaps we could go into that at some point. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Have you read Mind and Nature? > > > > > > That to me is one of the freshest books, > > > such lucid, distilled thinking. So original > > > in a way of looking at things. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > yes more than once..and " Innocence and Experience " , " Steps to an > > Ecology of Mind " , plus " Angels Fear " - Towards an Epistemology of the > > Sacred, written with Mary Catherine Bateson ( VERY big in Iran as > > well as the U.S.). Anthropologist Margaret Mead was Bateson's first > > wife(kinda way back even for an oldster like me),as you probably > > already know. His theory of the double bind and his being a founding > > father of cybernetics are two biggies for me and his point of view > > that Mind is a constituent part of `material reality' and it is thus > > nonsensical to try to split mind from matter are mind blowing in his > > explications. Back in the day of rock and roll that moved the soul, > > most of us would-be hippies of the counter-culture of the 60's, > > championed Bateson as a hero's hero and one of the most enlightened > > of the " FINDERS " . Someday..and it won't be long IMO, G. B. will be > > given credit for being one of, if not the leading Guiding Lights of > > Man and Mind.Really glad to see you getting intio him Bill...as Watts > > was fond of saying..'You'll be Astonished! " > > .........bob > > > He's got my vote. > Hadn't heard of *Innocence and Experience*. > I have Angel's Fear. Made a couple of starts at > it, but never could really get into it. > What do you think of that book? > > Also, any comments about *Innocence and Experience*? > > I didn't know of him as being one of the founders of > cybernetics. I thought most of the credit for that > went to Norber Weiner. > > He talks of the double bind in " Steps " ... didn't know > the idea originated with him. I remeber him talking > about schizophrenic parents inducing double binds > by dual messages, one from the verbal (sweetness) > and one from the para-linguistic (hostile). > > Seems like he also talked in there about the importance > of therapy in-context... talking about how taking a > kid out of the home, doing therapy... kid shows major > improvement... put him back in the home and Zoom, > right back into it again. > > You know I don't think I ever read *all* of " Steps " ... > > About mind not being separate from the material -- > which works the other way around as well, BTW -- > that is something that fits into topics here. Perhaps > we could go into that at some point. > > Bill > Hi Bill..just wading out of a pile 'o paper right now..and I have to return after a short answering session and a little dindin but I wanted to say Yes, we would have much to discuss here on this list with Batesonian ideas. Matter of fact, that would be a terrific idea.His thoughts on anthropological,psychological,spiritus-logicus ways and means and his work in cybernetics would all fit in quite nicely given his cogent and unique contributions to those and other fields..a true renaiassance man. You're very correct on Weiner as an integral spark to the cybernetic field, but Bateson doesn't hold a back candle here..another area for deeper discussion for sure. Actually many of the co-workers of his had and have astounding gifts of thought and expression. Actually the fact that he has been overlooked here is an astonishment. I really don't know why and hadn't given it proper thought as to delving into his insightful mind and offerings until you referred to that quote..It's amazing sometimes how something is staring you right in the EYE and yet remains an ephemera of transparancy until someone says, " Hey..that's a good idea! " Thanks Bill and I look forward to really getting this one on! A few more to answer than back to Caeser's Quest..or is that Inquest? ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 > Bill: > About mind not being separate from the material -- > which works the other way around as well, BTW -- > that is something that fits into topics here. Perhaps > we could go into that at some point. <snip> > good idea! " Thanks Bill and I look forward to really getting this one > on! A few more to answer than back to Caeser's Quest..or is that > Inquest? > ........bob > Speaking of which... and excellent resource in this regard is Manuel DeLanda -- *A Thousand Years of Non-Linear History*, and *Intensive Science and Virtual Philosophy*. I haven't gotten to Deleuze yet, but am looking forward to doing so (i.e. *A Thousand Plateaus*) Bill PS: I see you have posted a *TON* of stuff, and long messages... I don't have time to read a lot of stuff, so if you post something related to the above topic please put an indicator for me in the subject line... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > Bill: > > About mind not being separate from the material -- > > which works the other way around as well, BTW -- > > that is something that fits into topics here. Perhaps > > we could go into that at some point. > > <snip> > > good idea! " Thanks Bill and I look forward to really getting this > one > > on! A few more to answer than back to Caeser's Quest..or is that > > Inquest? > > ........bob > > > > Speaking of which... and excellent resource in this regard > is Manuel DeLanda -- *A Thousand Years of Non-Linear History*, > and *Intensive Science and Virtual Philosophy*. > > I haven't gotten to Deleuze yet, but am looking forward to > doing so (i.e. *A Thousand Plateaus*) > > Bill > > PS: I see you have posted a *TON* of stuff, and long messages... > I don't have time to read a lot of stuff, so if you post > something related to the above topic please put an indicator > for me in the subject line... > WOW Bill.you keep coming up with some really neat stuff! I'm gonna check this Manuel(one of my most favourite names) Deleuze fella out...Very interesting promo on your part..I'm beggining to think we have a lot of common likes and interests..are you married Bill..do you have a girlfriend? LOL..LOL..I don't know why on earth you've been asked that so many times here..( well I know L.E. asks everyone that[this is NOT a sarcasm or slam BTW]).. but a couple other times you've been queried on the same deal..oh well. Yeah I do post a bunch..and sometimes in riotous machine-gun like fashion and order. Someone asked the other day about my restless nature..and you know I thought about that for a long time. Not that I don't realize that it's my manner..lots of manic panache..and I don't know why or wherefore, but then as I've said many times here and elswhere..I don't understand myself at all, and I don't think I really want to either. And I definitely don't want to begin a regimen of some pharmeceutical Nirvana for restlessness or hyperness...not a serious Rx kind of thing anyway. I don't trust doctors a whole bunch...I've looked at their diplomas on the wall and it certifies them to " PRACTICE " medicine. For God's sake! I don't care to have anyone anywhere practice on this delicate flower with tender heart, I'll do that myself if needs be such, and such sometimes may be? But I'm taking a heads up re alerting you to anything relavant to your areas of interest. And you know, the posts are always there to go back to if the whim ever strikes..that's why I do it I think..I sure don't expect ANYONE to read everything as it passes..not unless they've taken Evelyn Wood on steroids..oops there's that dr. thing again! ;-) + :-0) = bob + 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : > > > > > Bill: > > About mind not being separate from the material -- > > which works the other way around as well, BTW -- > > that is something that fits into topics here. > Perhaps > > we could go into that at some point. > > <snip> > > good idea! " Thanks Bill and I look forward to really > getting this > one > > on! A few more to answer than back to Caeser's > Quest..or is that > > Inquest? > > ........bob > > > > Speaking of which... and excellent resource in this > regard > is Manuel DeLanda -- *A Thousand Years of Non-Linear > History*, > and *Intensive Science and Virtual Philosophy*. > > I haven't gotten to Deleuze yet, but am looking > forward to > doing so (i.e. *A Thousand Plateaus*) > > Bill > > PS: I see you have posted a *TON* of stuff, and long > messages... > I don't have time to read a lot of stuff, so if you > post > something related to the above topic please put an > indicator > for me in the subject line... > .................................................... > now now Bill, you`ve unlocked Pandora`s box again. When was the first time Patricia I think I forgot Bill > Bob isn`t getting any sleep, he is red eyed, (but so > very happy,) and none of us as the life time it takes > to ingest all of that. > > Patricia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > Bill: > > > About mind not being separate from the material -- > > > which works the other way around as well, BTW -- > > > that is something that fits into topics here. Perhaps > > > we could go into that at some point. > > > > <snip> > > > good idea! " Thanks Bill and I look forward to really getting this > > one > > > on! A few more to answer than back to Caeser's Quest..or is that > > > Inquest? > > > ........bob > > > > > > > Speaking of which... and excellent resource in this regard > > is Manuel DeLanda -- *A Thousand Years of Non-Linear History*, > > and *Intensive Science and Virtual Philosophy*. > > > > I haven't gotten to Deleuze yet, but am looking forward to > > doing so (i.e. *A Thousand Plateaus*) > > > > Bill > > > > PS: I see you have posted a *TON* of stuff, and long messages... > > I don't have time to read a lot of stuff, so if you post > > something related to the above topic please put an indicator > > for me in the subject line... > > > WOW Bill.you keep coming up with some really neat stuff! I'm gonna > check this Manuel(one of my most favourite names) Deleuze fella > out...Very interesting promo on your part..I'm beggining to think we > have a lot of common likes and interests..are you married Bill..do > you have a girlfriend? LOL..LOL..I don't know why on earth you've > been asked that so many times here..( well I know L.E. asks everyone > that[this is NOT a sarcasm or slam BTW]).. but a couple other times > you've been queried on the same deal..oh well. Yeah I do post a > bunch..and sometimes in riotous machine-gun like fashion and order. > Someone asked the other day about my restless nature..and you know I > thought about that for a long time. Not that I don't realize that > it's my manner..lots of manic panache..and I don't know why or > wherefore, but then as I've said many times here and elswhere..I > don't understand myself at all, and I don't think I really want to > either. And I definitely don't want to begin a regimen of some > pharmeceutical Nirvana for restlessness or hyperness...not a serious > Rx kind of thing anyway. I don't trust doctors a whole bunch...I've > looked at their diplomas on the wall and it certifies them > to " PRACTICE " medicine. For God's sake! I don't care to have anyone > anywhere practice on this delicate flower with tender heart, I'll do > that myself if needs be such, and such sometimes may be? But I'm > taking a heads up re alerting you to anything relavant to your areas > of interest. And you know, the posts are always there to go back to > if the whim ever strikes..that's why I do it I think..I sure don't > expect ANYONE to read everything as it passes..not unless they've > taken Evelyn Wood on steroids..oops there's that dr. thing again! > ;-) + :-0) = bob + 1 > You do make me chuckle, Bob. And errr... it's Manuel DeLanda. The other guy is Gilles Deleuze. Speaking of great books, another one is Shadow Syndromes... not suggesting you read it but... in that book the author suggests that hypomania is an arguably ideal state In other words if the mania isn't *severe* and followed by depression. I also once worked with a software engineer, extremely bright guy but incredibly hyper. He was hard to talk to because of it. I was told he had a condition such that his brain was naturally in a mode such as someone on cocaine. They also told me he wasn't interested in medication to rectify his condition! Imagine that. Bill Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > Bill: > > > > About mind not being separate from the material -- > > > > which works the other way around as well, BTW -- > > > > that is something that fits into topics here. Perhaps > > > > we could go into that at some point. > > > > > > <snip> > > > > good idea! " Thanks Bill and I look forward to really getting this > > > one > > > > on! A few more to answer than back to Caeser's Quest..or is that > > > > Inquest? > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of which... and excellent resource in this regard > > > is Manuel DeLanda -- *A Thousand Years of Non-Linear History*, > > > and *Intensive Science and Virtual Philosophy*. > > > > > > I haven't gotten to Deleuze yet, but am looking forward to > > > doing so (i.e. *A Thousand Plateaus*) > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > PS: I see you have posted a *TON* of stuff, and long messages... > > > I don't have time to read a lot of stuff, so if you post > > > something related to the above topic please put an indicator > > > for me in the subject line... > > > > > WOW Bill.you keep coming up with some really neat stuff! I'm gonna > > check this Manuel(one of my most favourite names) Deleuze fella > > out...Very interesting promo on your part..I'm beggining to think we > > have a lot of common likes and interests..are you married Bill..do > > you have a girlfriend? LOL..LOL..I don't know why on earth you've > > been asked that so many times here..( well I know L.E. asks everyone > > that[this is NOT a sarcasm or slam BTW]).. but a couple other times > > you've been queried on the same deal..oh well. Yeah I do post a > > bunch..and sometimes in riotous machine-gun like fashion and order. > > Someone asked the other day about my restless nature..and you know I > > thought about that for a long time. Not that I don't realize that > > it's my manner..lots of manic panache..and I don't know why or > > wherefore, but then as I've said many times here and elswhere..I > > don't understand myself at all, and I don't think I really want to > > either. And I definitely don't want to begin a regimen of some > > pharmeceutical Nirvana for restlessness or hyperness...not a serious > > Rx kind of thing anyway. I don't trust doctors a whole bunch...I've > > looked at their diplomas on the wall and it certifies them > > to " PRACTICE " medicine. For God's sake! I don't care to have anyone > > anywhere practice on this delicate flower with tender heart, I'll do > > that myself if needs be such, and such sometimes may be? But I'm > > taking a heads up re alerting you to anything relavant to your areas > > of interest. And you know, the posts are always there to go back to > > if the whim ever strikes..that's why I do it I think..I sure don't > > expect ANYONE to read everything as it passes..not unless they've > > taken Evelyn Wood on steroids..oops there's that dr. thing again! > > ;-) + :-0) = bob + 1 > > > > You do make me chuckle, Bob. > And errr... it's Manuel DeLanda. > The other guy is Gilles Deleuze. > > Speaking of great books, another one is > Shadow Syndromes... not suggesting you read it > but... in that book the author suggests that > hypomania is an arguably ideal state > In other words if the mania isn't *severe* > and followed by depression. > > I also once worked with a software engineer, > extremely bright guy but incredibly hyper. > He was hard to talk to because of it. > I was told he had a condition such that > his brain was naturally in a mode such as > someone on cocaine. They also told me he > wasn't interested in medication to rectify > his condition! Imagine that. > > > Bill > > > > > > Bill > Imagine that! Just IMAGINE that! I mean Imagine THAT!!!!!!!! who on this beautiful green earth would want to feel GRRRRRRReat like that? Some people eh?.....Got the correction too(DeLanda..Deleuze)..see I post too fast, I read too fast, I think too fast but I'm still not fast enough with my papers for the Taxman Who Cometh..well actually not here in Canada until April 30 but it always seems like such an ungodly chore for me..one more thing that I don't understand about myself..It's almost like I would do anything to avoid or prolong the Pain! ...say.. like posting lot's of things on a nondual list or sumpthin'..... ;-)....bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bill: > > > > > About mind not being separate from the material -- > > > > > which works the other way around as well, BTW -- > > > > > that is something that fits into topics here. Perhaps > > > > > we could go into that at some point. > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > good idea! " Thanks Bill and I look forward to really getting > this > > > > one > > > > > on! A few more to answer than back to Caeser's Quest..or is > that > > > > > Inquest? > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of which... and excellent resource in this regard > > > > is Manuel DeLanda -- *A Thousand Years of Non-Linear History*, > > > > and *Intensive Science and Virtual Philosophy*. > > > > > > > > I haven't gotten to Deleuze yet, but am looking forward to > > > > doing so (i.e. *A Thousand Plateaus*) > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > PS: I see you have posted a *TON* of stuff, and long messages... > > > > I don't have time to read a lot of stuff, so if you post > > > > something related to the above topic please put an indicator > > > > for me in the subject line... > > > > > > > WOW Bill.you keep coming up with some really neat stuff! I'm > gonna > > > check this Manuel(one of my most favourite names) Deleuze fella > > > out...Very interesting promo on your part..I'm beggining to think > we > > > have a lot of common likes and interests..are you married > Bill..do > > > you have a girlfriend? LOL..LOL..I don't know why on earth you've > > > been asked that so many times here..( well I know L.E. asks > everyone > > > that[this is NOT a sarcasm or slam BTW]).. but a couple other > times > > > you've been queried on the same deal..oh well. Yeah I do post a > > > bunch..and sometimes in riotous machine-gun like fashion and > order. > > > Someone asked the other day about my restless nature..and you > know I > > > thought about that for a long time. Not that I don't realize that > > > it's my manner..lots of manic panache..and I don't know why or > > > wherefore, but then as I've said many times here and elswhere..I > > > don't understand myself at all, and I don't think I really want > to > > > either. And I definitely don't want to begin a regimen of some > > > pharmeceutical Nirvana for restlessness or hyperness...not a > serious > > > Rx kind of thing anyway. I don't trust doctors a whole > bunch...I've > > > looked at their diplomas on the wall and it certifies them > > > to " PRACTICE " medicine. For God's sake! I don't care to have > anyone > > > anywhere practice on this delicate flower with tender heart, I'll > do > > > that myself if needs be such, and such sometimes may be? But I'm > > > taking a heads up re alerting you to anything relavant to your > areas > > > of interest. And you know, the posts are always there to go back > to > > > if the whim ever strikes..that's why I do it I think..I sure > don't > > > expect ANYONE to read everything as it passes..not unless they've > > > taken Evelyn Wood on steroids..oops there's that dr. thing again! > > > ;-) + :-0) = bob + 1 > > > > > > > You do make me chuckle, Bob. > > And errr... it's Manuel DeLanda. > > The other guy is Gilles Deleuze. > > > > Speaking of great books, another one is > > Shadow Syndromes... not suggesting you read it > > but... in that book the author suggests that > > hypomania is an arguably ideal state > > In other words if the mania isn't *severe* > > and followed by depression. > > > > I also once worked with a software engineer, > > extremely bright guy but incredibly hyper. > > He was hard to talk to because of it. > > I was told he had a condition such that > > his brain was naturally in a mode such as > > someone on cocaine. They also told me he > > wasn't interested in medication to rectify > > his condition! Imagine that. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > Imagine that! Just IMAGINE that! I mean Imagine THAT!!!!!!!! who on > this beautiful green earth would want to feel GRRRRRRReat like that? > Some people eh?.....Got the correction too(DeLanda..Deleuze)..see I > post too fast, I read too fast, I think too fast but I'm still not > fast enough with my papers for the Taxman Who Cometh..well actually > not here in Canada until April 30 but it always seems like such an > ungodly chore for me..one more thing that I don't understand about > myself..It's almost like I would do anything to avoid or prolong the > Pain! ...say.. like posting lot's of things on a nondual list or > sumpthin'..... > ;-)....bob > the same affliction here Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 In a message dated 4/6/2006 9:47:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:24:39 +0200 (CEST) OConnor Patricia <gdtige RE: Re: Speakking of G. Bateson......./Bob --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : > Bill: > About mind not being separate from the material -- > which works the other way around as well, BTW -- > that is something that fits into topics here. Perhaps > we could go into that at some point. <snip> > good idea! " Thanks Bill and I look forward to really getting this one > on! A few more to answer than back to Caeser's Quest..or is that > Inquest? > ........bob > Speaking of which... and excellent resource in this regard is Manuel DeLanda -- *A Thousand Years of Non-Linear History*, and *Intensive Science and Virtual Philosophy*. I haven't gotten to Deleuze yet, but am looking forward to doing so (i.e. *A Thousand Plateaus*) Bill PS: I see you have posted a *TON* of stuff, and long messages... I don't have time to read a lot of stuff, so if you post something related to the above topic please put an indicator for me in the subject line... ..................................................... now now Bill, you`ve unlocked Pandora`s box again. Bob isn`t getting any sleep, he is red eyed, (but so very happy,) and none of us as the life time it takes to ingest all of that. Patricia I've been thinking I really don't have the time to even scroll through it! Hehe. (Sorry, Bob.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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