Frightful WWW & Law Suits

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

>

> B:Well there you go and here I am..redfaced bob .. ashamed I am.

> my inner sage tells me that you are sincere both there and

> here.I'm not to fear and not shed tears...It's now so clear. But a

> question does pose itself. To wit: if what I post is already on the

> world wide web...what lawsuit? Sorry I must be missing some legal

> nicety? Please explain.....bob

>

>

> P; Copyright lawyer I'm not, but a

> pinch of common sense and common law

> I have. The WWW is the old wild West

> and horse thieves abound. And if Jack

> robbed a horse from Paul and gave it to Mary,

> Mary is going to be asked, why she didn't

> inquire why there was a P burned on

> the horse's romp and not a J. A short answer

> could mean a short rope. So there you go,

> that you find something on the net, doesn't

> mean the owner put it there, and it's OK to

> use it, unless it says so. That is my opinion,

> what is yours?

> You can read about copyrights on the net.

>

>

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--- " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 a écrit :

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , Pete S

<pedsie5 wrote:

>

> B:Well there you go and here I am..redfaced bob ..

ashamed I am.

> my inner sage tells me that you are sincere both

there and

> here.I'm not to fear and not shed tears...It's now

so clear. But a

> question does pose itself. To wit: if what I post is

already on the

> world wide web...what lawsuit? Sorry I must be

missing some legal

> nicety? Please explain.....bob

>

>

> P; Copyright lawyer I'm not, but a

> pinch of common sense and common law

> I have. The WWW is the old wild West

> and horse thieves abound. And if Jack

> robbed a horse from Paul and gave it to Mary,

> Mary is going to be asked, why she didn't

> inquire why there was a P burned on

> the horse's romp and not a J. A short answer

> could mean a short rope. So there you go,

> that you find something on the net, doesn't

> mean the owner put it there, and it's OK to

> use it, unless it says so. That is my opinion,

> what is yours?

> You can read about copyrights on the net.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

 

Peter this will take a bit of your time but please

read it.

 

Thank you Pete..I think we..you and I ..perhaps

not..have discussed

this once before. I am a publisher of music. I hold

many copywrights

from many years back myself,for songs written for

bands I was in and

for others. I also have mechanical rights, performance

rights,

synchronization rights on many.Those rights are held

as a composer.

As a publisher I also control some works of copywright

belonging to

others. I am, in this gigantic industry a peanut or

small potatoes

not here trying to be funny. I am the last, believe me

to ever want

to unfairly treat artist, publishing house, marketers

etc. In that I

watch on an ongoing, never-ending basis, that circus

of rustlers as

you would have it, on the Internet, who abscond with

personal works

of mine(having been the progeny of my labours), and

works that were

and are administered by me, through the process of

illegal uploading

and downloading. I can see very clearly where you are

coming from. As

I said I am a very minute section of the industries of

written and

recorded works that are having this fate befall them.

Interestingly

enough, at times that very trouble can lead to unseen

benefits of

exposure that would never have occured without the

seeming tort

of " copywright infringement " . Well aware am I that 90%

of the

business dealing with intellectual works, is in the

nature of law

and lawyers. Most areas of human endeavor today are

thus controlled

and contained. And yet just as the cassette recorder,

and before

that ..way back the two-track 1/4 " tape recorders,were

deemed to be

the end of the ability to control works of music and

literature

(further exacerbated by copiers and scanners). It was

thought that

monies earned would diminish by such unbelievable

amounts as to make

participation in those fields so unattractive to

pontential

artists,managers, publishers and publicists, that

surely at a mimimum

the businesses involved would begin to malfunction and

cease to be

viable. This of course not only proved to be wrong,

but so off base

that the captains of those industries backtracked so

far as to even

begin participating in the production of those

vehicles that would

copy and promote their products in ever new and

expanding venues of

profit generation. I'm not so sure on the rodeo that's

occuring on

the WWW. We are in different times and we witness

losses in revenues

in music, movies and books and are prone to blame this

new

communications tool for that reduction in sales and

purchases. But I

wonder. Despite on ongoing consumer economy, something

is wrong and

not only in Denmark. Easy and low interest credit, new

and inventive

vehicles of borrowing and lending have been created to

give the

illusion that the steam of this engine is in a very

good pressure

state. That is a fallacy. Today we see people buying

property with

absolutely no investment on their part and further to

that, equity

loans are created and granted to those properties that

are over

financed at the start.This is done in order that the

over-extended

purchaser can now furnish, finesse and dress up those

properties with

everything from furniture to the electronic marvels of

the day. So

where is this equity coming from? That is a question

that even the

mavens of commerce cannot and do not even try to apply

an answer to.

It is unanswerable. And now despite this easy flow of

capital we are

in the beggining stages of a withdrawal of firstly the

consumer who

is beggining to vicerally notice that something has

gone awry, and

than also the governing bodies that control the

economy (central

bank, federal reserve, national trust etc) and finally

the

institutions that deliver and sustain the goods of

that econony

(private and regional banks, investment firms,

commodity

controllers). It is not just intellectual works that

are feeling the

pinch as they say. Witness automotive, marine,

recreational products

and even now the must have cell phones, laptops,

desktops, hip

hops..you know wherof I speak. Something besides the

easy access to

reproduction of art, literature, music and more, is

starting to

convulse in this world of wonder we enjoy. How can the

average and

for that matter the not so average person, business or

corporation

endure an unbounded yearly rate of increase in the

cost of

energy,utilities,transportation,housing,nourishment,clothing,shelter

 

and on and on that is so far racing and reaching ahead

of the ability

of that person or business or corporate entity to

match in terms of

incoming sources, streams and amounts of financial

wherewithal?

Methinks if things were different, the new

communication tools would

prove to be a boon rather than a bone of contention to

those subjects

under consideration here. Why do I believe

this..because this has

always been the drill. First innovation, than fear

than benefit. In

my lifetime at any rate and in my field if endeavor. I

guess I was

looking at it like a library or used junk shop. I

mentioned once on

this forum how songs that I wrote and produced are

being auctioned

off in Europe, North America, South America and some

parts of the

Middle East and Asia. I earn absolutely zip on those

sales because

the products containing those songs are deemed " used

goods " . This

action is different from the file sharing that is

occuring but to

watch it happen to something you have a given and

earned personal

stake in is to wonder with a big, big W. But even

though this rather

protracted statement is not an aplogia, I must confess

that some of

those spin-off benefits have accrued for me and mine.

So I don't

know..I just don't know. But I will take your words as

words from

better sense, and I mean this wholeheartedly or I

wouldn't take the

time to structure this elongated reply. Henceforth on

this list,I

will post only urls that can be followed up, on

someones own

initiative, if they so care to further explore any of

the presented

ideas. I do this not out of contrite or hurt feelings

nor false

humility . I am grateful for your comment and concern,

and as with

that one mention of a restless nature that I was

exposing, it gave

deep pause and elucidated much thought.

 

......bob

P. S. I loved the heading on your post.. it gave me

quite a

smile..keep up the good stuff Pete :-) (bn)

 

wherever you end up, dear Bob, I`ll bring you a bag of

oramges, a hot potatoe and an olive garland, you

troubadours of a long gone day.

 

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

>

> B:Well there you go and here I am..redfaced bob .. ashamed I am.

> my inner sage tells me that you are sincere both there and

> here.I'm not to fear and not shed tears...It's now so clear. But a

> question does pose itself. To wit: if what I post is already on the

> world wide web...what lawsuit? Sorry I must be missing some legal

> nicety? Please explain.....bob

>

>

> P; Copyright lawyer I'm not, but a

> pinch of common sense and common law

> I have. The WWW is the old wild West

> and horse thieves abound. And if Jack

> robbed a horse from Paul and gave it to Mary,

> Mary is going to be asked, why she didn't

> inquire why there was a P burned on

> the horse's romp and not a J. A short answer

> could mean a short rope. So there you go,

> that you find something on the net, doesn't

> mean the owner put it there, and it's OK to

> use it, unless it says so. That is my opinion,

> what is yours?

> You can read about copyrights on the net.

>

 

I think it would be good to give an attribution

to what you post Bob. That should cover it.

 

Bill