Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > > Never can we be in enlightement, > But if there is a crack in one of us, > Can Grace slip in. > > Patricia > Here is a question. If you believe you can never be in enlightenment then what's the Grace for? What purpose would grace be then? To slip in for what ends? I'm unclear about your statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- sam_t_7 <sam_t_7 a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Never can we be in enlightement, > > But if there is a crack in one of us, > > Can Grace slip in. > > > > Patricia > > > > > > Here is a question. If you believe you can never be > in enlightenment > then what's the Grace for? What purpose would grace > be then? To > slip in for what ends? I'm unclear about your > statement. > .................................................... > Sam, > what I mean is that there is nowhere to go, nowhere > one can reach, no ladder to climb. > There is only opening up to Life and then perhaps one > get touched by Grace. > Grace doesn`t need me. > I don`t know its qualities beside its propensity to > break in what was hermetic, and now broke open. > So is its nature, all encompassing. > I don`t think it knows a purpose but Oneness. Ha! Good one! > Is that clearer? > I hope so. > Patricia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Pls read about Kalki Avatar Kalki Bhagavan - Sri Kalki Avatar Sri Kalki Bhagavan - The Living Avatar Kalki, Sri Kalki Avatar, Kalki Bhagavan, Kalki Bhagwan Kalki, or Sri Kalki Bhagavan, the founder of the Golden Age Foundation in India, is considered to be the living Avatar capable of giving enlightenment. Not only to a few individuals, but to the whole mankind. According to Kalki, Earth will start entering the Golden Age, the age of enlightenment, in June 2004 during the Venus Transit.This process will come to a conclusion at the next venus transit in 2012. The time in front of us, says Kalki, will be be filled with unprecedented changes, challenges and turmoil. It is not much mankind can do about it. But those who have worked on setting all their relationships right will have a much easier ride than others. Kalki on being the Kalki Avatar The Oneness Festival and The World University of Consciousness was founded by The Experience Foundation and The Golden Age Foundation. The Experience Foundation, headquartered in Sweden with a global network in more than 30 countries, has the purpose of providing an opportunity for great teachers and fine representatives of spiritual traditions to share their wisdom on how to create a global transition. The Golden Age Foundation is a spiritual institution, born in India and globally known as Kalki Dharma, created with the one objective of helping Humanity to discover and experience the truths of the ancient principles and live in harmony with the Universe. Kalki, or Sri Kalki Bhagavan, the founder of Golden Age Foundation, is considered to be the Kalki Avatar capable of bringing enlightenment and to introduce the Golden Age. Here he is commenting on being the Kalki Avatar. Question: Are you the Kalki Avatar? Sri Kalki Bhagavan: You must be very clear that I have never claimed to be Kalki. In the beginning when the retreats were at Somamangalam (a place where retreats were conducted in the initial stages of the movement) a lot of people began to have visions, they began calling me Kalki. The world Kalki is just a title given by people to Me. And I have come to accept the title. But Avatar, yes. I claim to be an Avatar. The Hindu scriptures are very clear as to who an Avatar is. You see, basically, it is like this: GOD per say can never be comprehended, can never be related to, other than through the manifesta-tions. Let us take the case of light as an example. We will go into a little bit of science. Suppose, a light ray was to pass through a vacuum tube, you are not going to see the light at all. So light as such can not be seen. But, if that light were to strike an object and come back to you, you see that object. Now, the question is, are you seeing that object or are you seeing the light. The photons do hit the object and they come back into your eyes, therefore we can say you are seeing light, you can also say you are seeing only the object. There is an ambience here. So, what stand can you take here? You really cannot take a stand. You can say, ?I am seeing light, yet I am not seeing light?. The same ap-proach applies to the understanding of an Avatar. When you are looking at an Avatar, you can say, ?I am seeing GOD; yet I am not seeing GOD?. Both are equally true. Like without light, you are not going to see anything at all, yet light itself cannot be seen. Therefore, we maintain that only Avatars are the nearest you can get to God or whatever you want to call it. Let us take another example. You can never know or perceive electricity itself. What you can comprehend are its manifestations, for example, the tube light is the light manifestation of electricity, a fan is the mechanical manifestation of the same electricity, the iron box is the heat mani-festation. Similarly, what you call GOD has over a thousand aspects. A few of them can manifest in an individual. For instance, Ramanujam is a mathematics manifes-tation of the Supreme consciousness. He can outbeat the fastest computer ef-fortlessly. He had antaryamin of a Goddess called ?Namagiri?. That is why, even today, he has not been fully understood. You take Einstein; he never studied Physics and mathematics. He simply knew what was space and time. Only later, came the mathematical formulations. He was basically a mystic. So, one can call him an Avatar for physics. If you take Karl Jung, he is an Avatar for psychology. Thyagaraja ? an Avatar for music. Similarly Beethoven in the west. So, people who manifest certain aspects of the Divine and Supreme con-sciousness is called Avatara Purusha. So, I am a Spiritual Avatar. The experiences, miracles and grace people have experienced across the globe are proof of that. From my miracles and grace one can understand what kind of an Avatar I am. My thirst is mostly on En-lightenment. This is my area of specialisation, though; I can fulfil your desires and solve your problems. My vision and purpose is the enlightenment of mankind. In that sense, I?m an Avatar, but not the mythological Kalki Avatar. I am not going to be riding on a horse with a sword as they say he will come after 140.000 years. --- billrishel <illusyn wrote: > Nisargadatta , OConnor > Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > > > > --- sam_t_7 <sam_t_7 a écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor > Patricia > > <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Never can we be in enlightement, > > > But if there is a crack in one of us, > > > Can Grace slip in. > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a question. If you believe you can never > be > > in enlightenment > > then what's the Grace for? What purpose would > grace > > be then? To > > slip in for what ends? I'm unclear about your > > statement. > > > .................................................... > > Sam, > > what I mean is that there is nowhere to go, > nowhere > > one can reach, no ladder to climb. > > There is only opening up to Life and then perhaps > one > > get touched by Grace. > > Grace doesn`t need me. > > I don`t know its qualities beside its propensity > to > > break in what was hermetic, and now broke open. > > So is its nature, all encompassing. > > > I don`t think it knows a purpose but Oneness. > > Ha! Good one! > > > Is that clearer? > > I hope so. > > Patricia > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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