Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 In a message dated 4/8/2006 2:23:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bigwaaba writes: > > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In a message dated 4/7/2006 2:25:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >bigwaaba writes: > > > >>> > >>>>Never can we be in enlightement, > >>>>But if there is a crack in one of us, > >>>>Can Grace sip (SLIP?)in. > >>>> > >>>>Patricia > >>> > >>>L.E: Once it has slipped in, will you know it is inside of you? > >>> > >> > >>one who knows cannot pretend not to know > >> > >> > >>L.E: One who knows can pretend not to know when surrounded by > enemies and > >>those who will burn and torture him/her if he speaks or shows any > sign of being > >>different from those around him. > >> > >> > > > > > No Larry, it is not like that. > the opposite works: > one who doesn't know can pretend to know, and, funny enough, can > pretend not to know too! > i'm sure about it, it is not like that. > Grace erases any sign of being different > it is life in all its vulnerability and glory > > Waaba Christ > L.E: I agree that one who doesn't know something can pretend to know it, but it makes no sense to talk about one who doesn't know something pretending not to know it. How can you pretend to know it, but not to not know it because you doesn't know it in the first place. Your idea about Grace makes no sense to me either. Grace is life? Life is grace? ????? Grace is a word meaning what? Usually an intrusion into the everyday of some special gift, or benevolence, or vision from your god, so what does that have to do with " life in all its vulnerability and glory? Are you just disagreeing to be disagreeable or is there some sincerity that I am missing? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/8/2006 2:23:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > bigwaaba writes: > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > >In a message dated 4/7/2006 2:25:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > >bigwaaba@ writes: > > > > > >>> > > >>>>Never can we be in enlightement, > > >>>>But if there is a crack in one of us, > > >>>>Can Grace sip (SLIP?)in. > > >>>> > > >>>>Patricia > > >>> > > >>>L.E: Once it has slipped in, will you know it is inside of you? > > >>> > > >> > > >>one who knows cannot pretend not to know > > >> > > >> > > >>L.E: One who knows can pretend not to know when surrounded by > > enemies and > > >>those who will burn and torture him/her if he speaks or shows any > > sign of being > > >>different from those around him. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > No Larry, it is not like that. > > the opposite works: > > one who doesn't know can pretend to know, and, funny enough, can > > pretend not to know too! > > i'm sure about it, it is not like that. > > Grace erases any sign of being different > > it is life in all its vulnerability and glory > > > > Waaba Christ > > > > L.E: I agree that one who doesn't know something can pretend to know it, but > it makes no sense to talk about one who doesn't know something pretending not > to know it. How can you pretend to know it, but not to not know it because > you doesn't know it in the first place. Your idea about Grace makes no sense to > me either. Grace is life? Life is grace? ????? Grace is a word meaning > what? Usually an intrusion into the everyday of some special gift, or > benevolence, or vision from your god, so what does that have to do with " life in all its > vulnerability and glory? > Are you just disagreeing to be disagreeable or is there some sincerity that I > am missing? > > Larry Epston > Hi Larry, what is here is all the sincerity that you are what is reading these words is what is writing them what is hearing these sounds is what is creating them openess is the action of grace now, this which knows itself to be just this has no desire to hide itself no reason to pretend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 In a message dated 4/8/2006 7:09:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bigwaaba writes: > Hi Larry, > > what is here is all the sincerity that you are > > what is reading these words is what is writing them > what is hearing these sounds is what is creating them > openess > is the action of grace > now, this which knows itself to be just this > has no desire to hide itself > no reason to pretend. > > > L.E: Sorry to be so hard-headed but, grace would have no action, just > presence, and it cannot know itself as it just IS or exists and cannot have desire > or no desire but is free or absent of desire, and cannot pretend, and reason > has nothing to do with it. So there you are. There you are. Here you are. > You are. It is just the openess of life being itself. Looking, feeling, tasting, touching, everything, always in the moment. It seems to me as I am. Larry Epston > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 In a message dated 4/9/2006 1:10:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bigwaaba writes: > >>L.E: Sorry to be so hard-headed but, grace would have no action, > just > >>presence, and it cannot know itself as it just IS or exists and > cannot have desire > >>or no desire but is free or absent of desire, and cannot pretend, > and reason > >>has nothing to do with it. So there you are. There you are. > Here you are. > >> You are. > >It is just the openess of life being itself. Looking, feeling, > tasting, > >touching, everything, always in the moment. It seems to me as I am. > > > >Larry Epston > > > >> > >> > > with you! > > L.E: Hi! I was wondering about that very thing this afternoon. Whether my inner state or sense of things was rather unique or if we all shared something in common. I'm not sure. Hard to tell if your experience is or reality is shared or as uniques as our face or fingerprints. You may be very correct when you write, " with you. " I've had years of very special and rather odd if not unusual aspects to my life that most people don't have, although of course, each person has thier own set of circumstances. Perhaps it is the same with each dog, sheep and cow. For instance, for many years while the normal boys played baseball, I was along making model airplances. Perhaps all that airplane glue chemistry changed my brain as well as the many hours of concentration cutting balsa wood and gluing paper to little sticks. Then there's my art-making practice that involved endless hours of concentation etc. And there is more. You may be right, and the clarity and simplicity of my inner space is very different from what you and others are experiencing. Probably Bill and I share the most together as he also has also known endless hours of art expression. And with adythia as well, I feel some kinship, hut with others on Niz, I feel very littel essential commoness. I also feel close to Ana and her marvelous and abundant poetic sense where Pete seems to have an aversion to her creative expression. So perhaps you are correct when you simply write " with you. " I don't know. How can we tell? Is there a truth we all share or not? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/8/2006 7:09:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > bigwaaba writes: > > > Hi Larry, > > > > what is here is all the sincerity that you are > > > > what is reading these words is what is writing them > > what is hearing these sounds is what is creating them > > openess > > is the action of grace > > now, this which knows itself to be just this > > has no desire to hide itself > > no reason to pretend. > > > > > > L.E: Sorry to be so hard-headed but, grace would have no action, just > > presence, and it cannot know itself as it just IS or exists and cannot have desire > > or no desire but is free or absent of desire, and cannot pretend, and reason > > has nothing to do with it. So there you are. There you are. Here you are. > > You are. > It is just the openess of life being itself. Looking, feeling, tasting, > touching, everything, always in the moment. It seems to me as I am. > > Larry Epston > > > > > with you! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 In a message dated 4/9/2006 2:56:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 05:08:43 EDT epston Re: Grace as Life? In a message dated 4/9/2006 1:10:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bigwaaba writes: > >>L.E: Sorry to be so hard-headed but, grace would have no action, > just > >>presence, and it cannot know itself as it just IS or exists and > cannot have desire > >>or no desire but is free or absent of desire, and cannot pretend, > and reason > >>has nothing to do with it. So there you are. There you are. > Here you are. > >> You are. > >It is just the openess of life being itself. Looking, feeling, > tasting, > >touching, everything, always in the moment. It seems to me as I am. > > > >Larry Epston > > > >> > >> > > with you! > > L.E: Hi! I was wondering about that very thing this afternoon. Whether my inner state or sense of things was rather unique or if we all shared something in common. I'm not sure. Hard to tell if your experience is or reality is shared or as uniques as our face or fingerprints. You may be very correct when you write, " with you. " I've had years of very special and rather odd if not unusual aspects to my life that most people don't have, although of course, each person has thier own set of circumstances. Perhaps it is the same with each dog, sheep and cow. For instance, for many years while the normal boys played baseball, I was along making model airplances. Perhaps all that airplane glue chemistry changed my brain as well as the many hours of concentration cutting balsa wood and gluing paper to little sticks. Then there's my art-making practice that involved endless hours of concentation etc. And there is more. You may be right, and the clarity and simplicity of my inner space is very different from what you and others are experiencing. Probably Bill and I share the most together as he also has also known endless hours of art expression. And with adythia as well, I feel some kinship, hut with others on Niz, I feel very littel essential commoness. I also feel close to Ana and her marvelous and abundant poetic sense where Pete seems to have an aversion to her creative expression. So perhaps you are correct when you simply write " with you. " I don't know. How can we tell? Is there a truth we all share or not? Larry Epston We're all standing in different places around the statue, seeing what we can see from where we stand. It's all true and none of it is Truth. It all looks different from the outside. From within it, it's all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:49:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > We're all standing in different places around the statue, seeing what we > can > see from where we stand. It's all true and none of it is Truth. It all looks > > different from the outside. From within it, it's all the same. > L.E: Then I would think that you would have more respect for the ideas of other people. Your comment, " with you " reads to me as kind of a mocking response. As in, " screw you. " And then, how do you know what is within the stature? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:49:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > We're all standing in different places around the statue, seeing what we > > can > > see from where we stand. It's all true and none of it is Truth. It all looks > > > > different from the outside. From within it, it's all the same. > > > > L.E: Then I would think that you would have more respect for the ideas of > other people. Your comment, " with you " reads to me as kind of a mocking > response. > As in, " screw you. " And then, how do you know what is within the stature? > > Larry Epston > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 In a message dated 4/10/2006 6:09:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:52:16 EDT epston Re: Grace as Life? In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:49:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > We're all standing in different places around the statue, seeing what we > can > see from where we stand. It's all true and none of it is Truth. It all looks > > different from the outside. From within it, it's all the same. > L.E: Then I would think that you would have more respect for the ideas of other people. Your comment, " with you " reads to me as kind of a mocking response. As in, " screw you. " And then, how do you know what is within the stature? Larry Epston I respect the seeming process of divinity here and believe everybody is exploring what they need to be exploring for this process to occur. I see no reason at all to respect beliefs any more than you do, although I also don't judge the people who hold them. I didn't make the " with you " comment, so I can't..... comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/10/2006 6:09:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:52:16 EDT > epston > Re: Grace as Life? > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:49:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > We're all standing in different places around the statue, seeing what we > > can > > see from where we stand. It's all true and none of it is Truth. It all > looks > > > > different from the outside. From within it, it's all the same. > > > > L.E: Then I would think that you would have more respect for the ideas of > other people. Your comment, " with you " reads to me as kind of a mocking > response. > As in, " screw you. " And then, how do you know what is within the stature? > > Larry Epston > > > > I respect the seeming process of divinity here and believe everybody is > exploring what they need to be exploring for this process to occur. I see no > reason at all to respect beliefs any more than you do, although I also don't > judge the people who hold them. > > I didn't make the " with you " comment, so I can't..... comment. > Here again Phil we MUST remember .....Larry made the " with you " comment as he is the Maker of All Things. Most especially the stupid things. P.S. Look to the heavens this coming Sunday....Larry Rises! and Surprises!.. Over men and horses, hoops and garders, Lastly, through a hog's head of real fire; In this way Mr. L. will challenge the world Mister L and E assures the public His production will be second to none And, of course, Larry the horse dances the waltz. They've been some days in preparation. A splendid time is guaranteed for all And that day Larry E.is topping the bill > with humiliating apologies to the late John Lennon Happy Easter Everyone! :-) .....bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 In a message dated 4/10/2006 5:54:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, epston writes: > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:49:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB > > writes: > > >We're all standing in different places around the statue, seeing what we > >can > >see from where we stand. It's all true and none of it is Truth. It all > looks > > > >different from the outside. From within it, it's all the same. > > > > L.E: Then I would think that you would have more respect for the ideas of > other people. Your comment, " with you " reads to me as kind of a mocking > response. > As in, " screw you. " And then, how do you know what is within the statue? > > Larry Epston > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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