Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 In a message dated 4/8/2006 4:23:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: > I see what you mean, Phil, this was also my reasoning first, > but in this case it was interesting to notice a subtle, interesting > difference between not facing some feeling because the sensation > of it is just too scary, and not facing something which isn´t > difficult to face at all, and where the only obstacle is stubbornness. > > Len > > L.E: A great example of how the mind creates endless difficulties for itself > as it attracts attention to its endless phantasy of problems that just go on > and on and will never be resolved until the person just dies, or somehow > gives up and realizes that he is just endlessly stirring up clouds of dust so he > won't see the simple truth of being in the present and just feeling alive > with a quiet mind that stops doing that. > And he finds co-dependents to nurture support his obsession with himself and > his mind-stuff. On and on, no resolution, just continual mind-fluff over > and over, attracting others attention to keep his illusion of significance > alive. > > Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 In a message dated 4/8/2006 12:46:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:44:56 EDT epston Thinking As Avoidance of the Real In a message dated 4/8/2006 4:23:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: > I see what you mean, Phil, this was also my reasoning first, > but in this case it was interesting to notice a subtle, interesting > difference between not facing some feeling because the sensation > of it is just too scary, and not facing something which isn´t > difficult to face at all, and where the only obstacle is stubbornness. > > Len > > L.E: A great example of how the mind creates endless difficulties for itself > as it attracts attention to its endless phantasy of problems that just go on > and on and will never be resolved until the person just dies, or somehow > gives up and realizes that he is just endlessly stirring up clouds of dust so he > won't see the simple truth of being in the present and just feeling alive > with a quiet mind that stops doing that. > And he finds co-dependents to nurture support his obsession with himself and > his mind-stuff. On and on, no resolution, just continual mind-fluff over > and over, attracting others attention to keep his illusion of significance > alive. > > Larry Epston To have a quiet mind is a wonderful thing, but this is not a choice that an individual can make. The mind does not quiet on command, at least not any longer than a dedicated attention is focussed on just that. Such a choice is a self deception, strategically designed by ego to assure that it's undercover processes will never be revealed. Thoughts of anger, judgment, projections, defenses can continue without ever being challenged because, after all, the mind is being stilled and so what is there to look at? Ego can hide forever in plain sight this way. The mind is stilled by exploring the truth about mind. Ego can only play it's silly games in the dark. When there is no more need to play unconscious ego games, there are no more thoughts waiting to fill every still moment. If the mind is still not still, then it is already known why this is so, and there's no need for the absurdity of doing battle with ones own thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > To have a quiet mind is a wonderful thing, but this is not a choice that an > individual can make. The mind does not quiet on command, at least not any > longer than a dedicated attention is focussed on just that. Such a choice is a > self deception, strategically designed by ego to assure that it's undercover > processes will never be revealed. Precisely. Self-deception is the main aim of spirituality. The moment you have an idealized goal, like striving for peace and harmony, suppression starts, learning ends. > Thoughts of anger, judgment, projections, defenses can continue without ever > being challenged because, after all, the mind is being stilled and so what > is there to look at? Ego can hide forever in plain sight this way. The mind is > stilled by exploring the truth about mind. Ego can only play it's silly games > in the dark. When there is no more need to play unconscious ego games, there > are no more thoughts waiting to fill every still moment. Be careful with claiming that there is no more such need. Ego is very clever, and hides in every statement which isn´t examined from scratch in every moment again and again. And the layers of unconscious conflict are going extremely deep. Len > If the mind is > still not still, then it is already known why this is so, and there's no need for > the absurdity of doing battle with ones own thoughts. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 2:08:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > Be careful with claiming that there is no more such need. > > Ego is very clever, and hides in every statement which isn´t > > examined from scratch in every moment again and again. > > And the layers of unconscious conflict are going extremely deep. > > > > Len > > > L.E: Your idea about the nature of the ego is exremely paranoid. Wake up! > You are the ego, it is you the self you are talking about, is your own self, > not something or someone separate from who you are. Your examination is the ego > by the ego, the self by the self, and cannot solve the problems of conflict. > You are creating the conflict as you continue with these false assumptions. > If this is superiority, too bad, live with it, deal with it! You are a victim > of your own intelligence and verbal skills. Stick in your own trap. > Pathetic. > > Larry Epston :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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