lBecoming-Krishnamurti

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> ...krishnamurti writes: The idea of becoming arises only when there is a

> sense of

> > insecurity..., the inward void. If you are aware of that

> > process of thought and feeling, you will see that there is a

> > constant battle going on, an effort to change, to modify, to

> > alter what is. This is the effort to become, and becoming is a

> > direct avoidance of what is. Through self-knowledge, through

> > constant awareness, you will find that strife, battle, the

> > conflict of becoming, leads to pain, to sorrow and ignorance.

> > It is only if you are aware of inward insufficiency and live

> > with it without escape, accepting it wholly, that you will

> > discover an extraordinary tranquillity, a tranquillity which is

> > not put together, made up, but a tranquillity which comes with

> > understanding of what is. Only in that state of tranquillity is

> > there creative being.....

 

L.E: There are many kinds of " becoming. " There is becoming a doctor,

becoming an architect, there is becoming a better person, there is becoming more

honest, there is becoming for fit, there is opposite becoming, like becoming

fatter, less attentive, less able to memorize something. Of course you will

say,

that is not what he is talking about, but what he is talking about is not the

concern of most people. He is talking about an abstract fantasy as he often

does, an invented becoming, a becoming of soul, of spirit, of inner self,

imaginary structures that concern only a few who are caught up in imaginary

persuits. There is no " constant battle " going on, this is invented fantasy.

Most

people do not try to avoid what is, they don't even think about what is and just

take it for granted.

Whatever does he mean when he says: " It is only if you are aware of inward

insufficiency and live with it without escape, accepting it wholly,... What

does he mean to be awaare of " inward insufficiency? " And if it is insuffiecient

that mean it isn't there so how can one live with it and accept it. How can

you accept " inward insufficiency? " Its an abstraction, a non-real concept, a

non-existenct. That's what I mean about K. he sets up false situations, presents

them are real and provides solutions to nothing. The guru who isn't a guru,

the teacher who isn't a teacher the leader who isn't a leader. He got caught

up in his own game and refused to become ordinary.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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--- epston a écrit :

 

 

 

 

> ...krishnamurti writes: The idea of becoming arises

only when there is a

> sense of

> > insecurity..., the inward void. If you are aware

of that

> > process of thought and feeling, you will see that

there is a

> > constant battle going on, an effort to change, to

modify, to

> > alter what is. This is the effort to become, and

becoming is a

> > direct avoidance of what is. Through

self-knowledge, through

> > constant awareness, you will find that strife,

battle, the

> > conflict of becoming, leads to pain, to sorrow

and ignorance.

> > It is only if you are aware of inward

insufficiency and live

> > with it without escape, accepting it wholly, that

you will

> > discover an extraordinary tranquillity, a

tranquillity which is

> > not put together, made up, but a tranquillity

which comes with

> > understanding of what is. Only in that state of

tranquillity is

> > there creative being.....

 

L.E: There are many kinds of " becoming. " There is

becoming a doctor,

becoming an architect, there is becoming a better

person, there is becoming more

honest, there is becoming for fit, there is opposite

becoming, like becoming

fatter, less attentive, less able to memorize

something. Of course you will say,

that is not what he is talking about, but what he is

talking about is not the

concern of most people. He is talking about an

abstract fantasy as he often

does, an invented becoming, a becoming of soul, of

spirit, of inner self,

imaginary structures that concern only a few who are

caught up in imaginary

persuits. There is no " constant battle " going on,

this is invented fantasy. Most

people do not try to avoid what is, they don't even

think about what is and just

take it for granted.

Whatever does he mean when he says: " It is only if you

are aware of inward

insufficiency and live with it without escape,

accepting it wholly,... What

does he mean to be awaare of " inward insufficiency? "

And if it is insuffiecient

that mean it isn't there so how can one live with it

and accept it. How can

you accept " inward insufficiency? " Its an abstraction,

a non-real concept, a

non-existenct. That's what I mean about K. he sets up

false situations, presents

them are real and provides solutions to nothing. The

guru who isn't a guru,

the teacher who isn't a teacher the leader who isn't a

leader. He got caught

up in his own game and refused to become ordinary.

 

Larry Epston

 

Then how come he truly helped SO many poeple to

recognize how they create their bondage, and gave a

very simple way to see it, stop it and open the window

to something that he entirely left you explore...on

your own.

How come ?

Teaching of Niz help you but not those of K?

They seem to me so interelated, Niz going a step

further, K. being working a lot more on a

psychological level, clearing the underbrush.

trying to understand.

Like if I am sharing a potatoe with Bob, and he finds

his undercooked and rotten tasting and I find my

potatoe divine, I would try to understand.

Patricia