Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 ----- Message d'origine ---- De : Bob N. <Roberibus111 À : Nisargadatta Envoyé le : Dimanche, 9 Avril 2006, 6h56mn 06s Objet : Re: lBecoming-Krishnamurti Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 2:10:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gdtige > writes: > > > >...krishnamurti writes: The idea of becoming arises > > only when there is a > > >sense of > > >> insecurity..., the inward void. If you are aware > > of that > > >> process of thought and feeling, you will see that > > there is a > > >> constant battle going on, an effort to change, to > > modify, to > > >> alter what is. This is the effort to become, and > > becoming is a > > >> direct avoidance of what is. Through > > self-knowledge, through > > >> constant awareness, you will find that strife, > > battle, the > > >> conflict of becoming, leads to pain, to sorrow > > and ignorance. > > >> It is only if you are aware of inward > > insufficiency and live > > >> with it without escape, accepting it wholly, that > > you will > > >> discover an extraordinary tranquillity, a > > tranquillity which is > > >> not put together, made up, but a tranquillity > > which comes with > > >> understanding of what is. Only in that state of > > tranquillity is > > >> there creative being..... > > > > L.E: There are many kinds of " becoming. " There is > > becoming a doctor, > > becoming an architect, there is becoming a better > > person, there is becoming more > > honest, there is becoming for fit, there is opposite > > becoming, like becoming > > fatter, less attentive, less able to memorize > > something. Of course you will say, > > that is not what he is talking about, but what he is > > talking about is not the > > concern of most people. He is talking about an > > abstract fantasy as he often > > does, an invented becoming, a becoming of soul, of > > spirit, of inner self, > > imaginary structures that concern only a few who are > > caught up in imaginary > > persuits. There is no " constant battle " going on, > > this is invented fantasy. Most > > people do not try to avoid what is, they don't even > > think about what is and just > > take it for granted. > > Whatever does he mean when he says: " It is only if you > > are aware of inward > > insufficiency and live with it without escape, > > accepting it wholly,... What > > does he mean to be awaare of " inward insufficiency? " > > And if it is insuffiecient > > that mean it isn't there so how can one live with it > > and accept it. How can > > you accept " inward insufficiency? " Its an abstraction, > > a non-real concept, a > > non-existenct. That's what I mean about K. he sets up > > false situations, presents > > them are real and provides solutions to nothing. The > > guru who isn't a guru, > > the teacher who isn't a teacher the leader who isn't a > > leader. He got caught > > up in his own game and refused to become ordinary. > > > > Larry Epston > > > > Then how come he truly helped SO many poeple to > > recognize how they create their bondage, and gave a > > very simple way to see it, stop it and open the window > > to something that he entirely left you explore...on > > your own. > > How come ? > > Teaching of Niz help you but not those of K? > > They seem to me so interelated, Niz going a step > > further, K. being working a lot more on a > > psychological level, clearing the underbrush. > > trying to understand. > > Like if I am sharing a potatoe with Bob, and he finds > > his undercooked and rotten tasting and I find my > > potatoe divine, I would try to understand. > > Patricia > > > > > L.E: It's easy to write " how come. " Let me point out a few things. Jesus if > he lived at all, was a man, and died a man but people built a religion around > him. How come? He most likely isn't living in heaven watching over people > but believers say he is. How come? People pray and dance for Hare Krishna, > the blue god who probably doesn't exist. How come? > People can benetit from placebos, fake medicine. How come? > Not many people have read K, and some benefit as they, and we do from many > other gods and ideas that are not true. How come? The human mind is mostly > hidden and many things occurr inside people that cannot be seen or known. That's > just the way it is. The fact that some benefit from something does not prove > its authenticity or universality. If you find K's teachings useful and > beneficial then use them, if you don't find another teacher. > It's all so obvious if you think about it. I can tell you why I don't find K > interesting, beneficial or appealing, and you can take it or leave it. No > problem. All teachers attract some and repel others. Big deal. For myself, I'd > rather have nothing in my mind except everyday concerns, yet I participate in > Niz. How come? My mind seems mostly empty yet when questions arise, answers > appear. Why, how? I can't answer that, but it's interesting, so I persist. > > Larry Epston > > p.s. It's very unlikely that a potatoe I find rotten you'd find divine. > Unless you were a buzzard or a hyena. ............................................................. You are right. using my logic, trying to define yours, won`t take us anywhere. Patricia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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