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In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:35:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:53:50 EDT

epston

The Changeable As Real

 

In a message dated 4/9/2006 4:55:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

gdtige

writes:

 

> What is changeable cannot be real.

 

 

L.E: This is an ancient idea and I think mistaken. Take the example of

water. It exists as a still pond, a rapidly rolling river, a meanering

stream and

finally merges with the ocean to begin a new cycle. Which is the real

water?

The pool that is cut off from the stream? The lake fed by underground

streams,

or the ocean that is sometimes in some places, still?

It is all real, all water, all unified. So it is with what appears to be

changing. It is part of the whole, essentially the same as all of life and

not

more or less real than anythiing else. Why do you cling to such an idea

that

brings you more sufferring?

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

Wasn't Patricia talking about Absolute Reality? Why are you talking about

water? :)~

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:35:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:59:39 -0000

" Bob N. " <Roberibus111

Re: The Changeable As Real

 

--- In Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/9/2006 4:55:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

gdtige

> writes:

>

> > What is changeable cannot be real.

>

>

> L.E: This is an ancient idea and I think mistaken. Take the

example of

> water. It exists as a still pond, a rapidly rolling river, a

meanering stream and

> finally merges with the ocean to begin a new cycle. Which is the

real water?

> The pool that is cut off from the stream? The lake fed by

underground streams,

> or the ocean that is sometimes in some places, still?

> It is all real, all water, all unified. So it is with what appears

to be

> changing. It is part of the whole, essentially the same as all of

life and not

> more or less real than anythiing else. Why do you cling to such an

idea that

> brings you more sufferring?

>

> Larry Epston

>

> " when questions arise, answers

appear. Why, how? I can't answer that, but it's interesting, so I

persist " ...April 9,2006 9:00 P.Mm

 

 

 

 

 

I'm thinking bumper sticker!

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/10/2006 1:14:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB

writes:

 

>

> In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:35:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:53:50 EDT

> epston

> The Changeable As Real

>

> In a message dated 4/9/2006 4:55:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> gdtige

> writes:

>

> >What is changeable cannot be real.

>

>

> L.E: This is an ancient idea and I think mistaken. Take the example of

> water. It exists as a still pond, a rapidly rolling river, a meanering

> stream and

> finally merges with the ocean to begin a new cycle. Which is the real

> water?

> The pool that is cut off from the stream? The lake fed by underground

> streams,

> or the ocean that is sometimes in some places, still?

> It is all real, all water, all unified. So it is with what appears to be

> changing. It is part of the whole, essentially the same as all of life and

>

> not

> more or less real than anythiing else. Why do you cling to such an idea

> that

> brings you more sufferring?

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

>

> Wasn't Patricia talking about Absolute Reality? Why are you talking about

> water? :)~

 

L.E: I thought she was talking about rotten potatoes, My bad.

 

Did you ever come across the idea that Nirvana is the same as Samskaras? The

Absolute is the same as its expressions.

Water and clay are often used to show the relationship between the uncreated

and the created, the substance and the form. The still pond or ocean is like

the absolute and the rivers and rain are like the changeable aspect of

existence. they exist together in a unity so you cannot say that what changes

is

not real.

Is that clear enough or do I need to try again?

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/10/2006 1:14:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

ADHHUB

> writes:

>

> >

> > In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:35:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:53:50 EDT

> > epston

> > The Changeable As Real

> >

> > In a message dated 4/9/2006 4:55:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > gdtige

> > writes:

> >

> > >What is changeable cannot be real.

> >

> >

> > L.E: This is an ancient idea and I think mistaken. Take the

example of

> > water. It exists as a still pond, a rapidly rolling river, a

meanering

> > stream and

> > finally merges with the ocean to begin a new cycle. Which is

the real

> > water?

> > The pool that is cut off from the stream? The lake fed by

underground

> > streams,

> > or the ocean that is sometimes in some places, still?

> > It is all real, all water, all unified. So it is with what

appears to be

> > changing. It is part of the whole, essentially the same as all

of life and

> >

> > not

> > more or less real than anythiing else. Why do you cling to such

an idea

> > that

> > brings you more sufferring?

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> >

> >

> > Wasn't Patricia talking about Absolute Reality? Why are you

talking about

> > water? :)~

>

> L.E: I thought she was talking about rotten potatoes, My bad.

>

> Did you ever come across the idea that Nirvana is the same as

Samskaras? The

> Absolute is the same as its expressions.

> Water and clay are often used to show the relationship between the

uncreated

> and the created, the substance and the form. The still pond or

ocean is like

> the absolute and the rivers and rain are like the changeable

aspect of

> existence. they exist together in a unity so you cannot say that

what changes is

> not real.

> Is that clear enough or do I need to try again?

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

you mean that in being in " Nirvana " ....you should try to

discover " you " again.....?.....

 

(how many times you need to discover yourSelf so?)

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/10/2006 1:14:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

ADHHUB

> writes:

>

> >

> > In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:35:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:53:50 EDT

> > epston

> > The Changeable As Real

> >

> > In a message dated 4/9/2006 4:55:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > gdtige

> > writes:

> >

> > >What is changeable cannot be real.

> >

> >

> > L.E: This is an ancient idea and I think mistaken. Take the

example of

> > water. It exists as a still pond, a rapidly rolling river, a

meanering

> > stream and

> > finally merges with the ocean to begin a new cycle. Which is

the real

> > water?

> > The pool that is cut off from the stream? The lake fed by

underground

> > streams,

> > or the ocean that is sometimes in some places, still?

> > It is all real, all water, all unified. So it is with what

appears to be

> > changing. It is part of the whole, essentially the same as all

of life and

> >

> > not

> > more or less real than anythiing else. Why do you cling to such

an idea

> > that

> > brings you more sufferring?

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> >

> >

> > Wasn't Patricia talking about Absolute Reality? Why are you

talking about

> > water? :)~

>

> L.E: I thought she was talking about rotten potatoes, My bad.

>

> Did you ever come across the idea that Nirvana is the same as

Samskaras? The

> Absolute is the same as its expressions.

> Water and clay are often used to show the relationship between the

uncreated

> and the created, the substance and the form. The still pond or

ocean is like

> the absolute and the rivers and rain are like the changeable

aspect of

> existence. they exist together in a unity so you cannot say that

what changes is

> not real.

> Is that clear enough or do I need to try again?

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

> [NonSense portions of this message have been displayed]

 

 

>

No No Please DONT......It's as clear as you will ever be able to

make anything(especially innanities), Larry.

.......bob

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Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 4/10/2006 1:14:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> ADHHUB@

> > writes:

> >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:35:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:53:50 EDT

> > > epston@

> > > The Changeable As Real

> > >

> > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 4:55:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > gdtige@

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > >What is changeable cannot be real.

> > >

> > >

> > > L.E: This is an ancient idea and I think mistaken. Take the

> example of

> > > water. It exists as a still pond, a rapidly rolling river, a

> meanering

> > > stream and

> > > finally merges with the ocean to begin a new cycle. Which is

> the real

> > > water?

> > > The pool that is cut off from the stream? The lake fed by

> underground

> > > streams,

> > > or the ocean that is sometimes in some places, still?

> > > It is all real, all water, all unified. So it is with what

> appears to be

> > > changing. It is part of the whole, essentially the same as all

> of life and

> > >

> > > not

> > > more or less real than anythiing else. Why do you cling to

such

> an idea

> > > that

> > > brings you more sufferring?

> > >

> > > Larry Epston

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Wasn't Patricia talking about Absolute Reality? Why are you

> talking about

> > > water? :)~

> >

> > L.E: I thought she was talking about rotten potatoes, My bad.

> >

> > Did you ever come across the idea that Nirvana is the same as

> Samskaras? The

> > Absolute is the same as its expressions.

> > Water and clay are often used to show the relationship between

the

> uncreated

> > and the created, the substance and the form. The still pond or

> ocean is like

> > the absolute and the rivers and rain are like the changeable

> aspect of

> > existence. they exist together in a unity so you cannot say that

> what changes is

> > not real.

> > Is that clear enough or do I need to try again?

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> >

> > [NonSense portions of this message have been displayed]

>

>

> >

> No No Please DONT......It's as clear as you will ever be able to

> make anything(especially innanities), Larry.

> .......bob

>

In case you want to look it up L.E., 'innanities' is 'inanities'

with two ns. Wouldn't want you to miss the meaning, which by the way

is: " Total lack of meaning or ideas " ..if you get the idea.

........bob

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In a message dated 4/10/2006 6:09:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:38:58 EDT

epston

The Changeable As Real

 

In a message dated 4/10/2006 1:14:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

ADHHUB

writes:

 

>

> In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:35:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:53:50 EDT

> epston

> The Changeable As Real

>

> In a message dated 4/9/2006 4:55:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> gdtige

> writes:

>

> >What is changeable cannot be real.

>

>

> L.E: This is an ancient idea and I think mistaken. Take the example of

> water. It exists as a still pond, a rapidly rolling river, a meanering

> stream and

> finally merges with the ocean to begin a new cycle. Which is the real

> water?

> The pool that is cut off from the stream? The lake fed by underground

> streams,

> or the ocean that is sometimes in some places, still?

> It is all real, all water, all unified. So it is with what appears to be

 

> changing. It is part of the whole, essentially the same as all of life

and

>

> not

> more or less real than anythiing else. Why do you cling to such an idea

> that

> brings you more sufferring?

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

>

> Wasn't Patricia talking about Absolute Reality? Why are you talking about

> water? :)~

 

L.E: I thought she was talking about rotten potatoes, My bad.

 

Did you ever come across the idea that Nirvana is the same as Samskaras?

The

Absolute is the same as its expressions.

Water and clay are often used to show the relationship between the uncreated

and the created, the substance and the form. The still pond or ocean is like

 

the absolute and the rivers and rain are like the changeable aspect of

existence. they exist together in a unity so you cannot say that what

changes is

not real.

Is that clear enough or do I need to try again?

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

Yes, I've heard the concept. When folks use the term " Reality " , it's a

dualistic concept that implies illusion, and further indicates that illusion is

not what they mean. In one context, all things are One, but in the context of

Reality/illusion, you can't use illusion as an example of how Reality changes.

It would be like watching a Godzilla movie, then leaving the theater and

campaigning for foreign aid to help rebuild Tokyo. Reality is the unchanging

foundation of illusion. If it changes, it's not Reality, it's illusion.

 

Let me know if you need further clarification. :)~

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 4/10/2006 6:09:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:38:58 EDT

> epston

> The Changeable As Real

>

> In a message dated 4/10/2006 1:14:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> ADHHUB

> writes:

>

> >

> > In a message dated 4/9/2006 9:35:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:53:50 EDT

> > epston

> > The Changeable As Real

> >

> > In a message dated 4/9/2006 4:55:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > gdtige

> > writes:

> >

> > >What is changeable cannot be real.

> >

> >

> > L.E: This is an ancient idea and I think mistaken. Take the

example of

> > water. It exists as a still pond, a rapidly rolling river, a

meanering

> > stream and

> > finally merges with the ocean to begin a new cycle. Which is

the real

> > water?

> > The pool that is cut off from the stream? The lake fed by

underground

> > streams,

> > or the ocean that is sometimes in some places, still?

> > It is all real, all water, all unified. So it is with what

appears to be

>

> > changing. It is part of the whole, essentially the same as all

of life

> and

> >

> > not

> > more or less real than anythiing else. Why do you cling to

such an idea

> > that

> > brings you more sufferring?

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> >

> >

> > Wasn't Patricia talking about Absolute Reality? Why are you

talking about

> > water? :)~

>

> L.E: I thought she was talking about rotten potatoes, My bad.

>

> Did you ever come across the idea that Nirvana is the same as

Samskaras?

> The

> Absolute is the same as its expressions.

> Water and clay are often used to show the relationship between the

uncreated

> and the created, the substance and the form. The still pond or

ocean is like

>

> the absolute and the rivers and rain are like the changeable

aspect of

> existence. they exist together in a unity so you cannot say that

what

> changes is

> not real.

> Is that clear enough or do I need to try again?

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

>

> Yes, I've heard the concept. When folks use the term " Reality " ,

it's a

> dualistic concept that implies illusion, and further indicates that

illusion is

> not what they mean. In one context, all things are One, but in the

context of

> Reality/illusion, you can't use illusion as an example of how

Reality changes.

> It would be like watching a Godzilla movie, then leaving the

theater and

> campaigning for foreign aid to help rebuild Tokyo. Reality is the

unchanging

> foundation of illusion. If it changes, it's not Reality, it's

illusion.

>

> Let me know if you need further clarification. :)~

>

> Uh Phil...a little clarification please.. I've been donating to the

rebuild Tokyo Fund since 1955. That damn Godzilla scared the hell out

of me. Not only did that bring me religion it gave me what I thought

was a good cause...helping the Japanese clean up that mess in Tokyo.

Are you saying that I shouldn't have been taking those charitable

deductions for all those years? Man the Taxman's going to be pissed

at me if this gets out! And you know, I should have known....I always

wondered how Raymond Burr just left those poor people and opened up a

lucrative law practice on American TV. I thought he changed his name

to Perry Mason because of his shame over doing that! Damn!..Well at

least I never donated to the P.M.Fund. He always won his cases

anyway. That was something that was Changless..a taste of heaven? I

KNOW that wasn't an illusion anyway.That was REAL TELEVISION!

 

:-)

........bob

 

 

>

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