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In a message dated 4/12/2006 8:49:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

gdtige writes:

 

> this is a summary of what I retained of chapter 14 of appearances and

> reality of I AM THAT.

>

> There is only light.

> And yet, to take appearance for reality is the cause of all calamities.

> There is only light and light alone. Everything else is but a picture made

> of light.

> The light makes everything possible and yet,

> Nothing that makes a thing what it is,

> Its name and form,

> Comes from the light.

> The light does not move at all,

> The movement is illusory,

> A sequence of interceptions and coloring in the film.

> What moves is the film-which is the mind.

> The picture on the cinema screen is light also.

> There is only light!

>

> Patricia

 

L.E: There are big difference between a projected film image and our ordinary

reality. You can see a box of oranges as a projected image but you can't eat

them where the orange in your hand can be tasted, smelled and eaten for

nourishment. The projected image does not nourish. It's a good try, but easy

to

dismiss and before movies existed, what comparisons did the teachers use I

wonder? It's much more complex than that, how it is as it is, and what it is.

I'd

rather stick with Life Itself and the expression of life into form.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/12/2006 8:49:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> gdtige writes:

>

> > this is a summary of what I retained of chapter 14 of appearances

and

> > reality of I AM THAT.

> >

> > There is only light.

> > And yet, to take appearance for reality is the cause of all

calamities.

> > There is only light and light alone. Everything else is but a

picture made

> > of light.

> > The light makes everything possible and yet,

> > Nothing that makes a thing what it is,

> > Its name and form,

> > Comes from the light.

> > The light does not move at all,

> > The movement is illusory,

> > A sequence of interceptions and coloring in the film.

> > What moves is the film-which is the mind.

> > The picture on the cinema screen is light also.

> > There is only light!

> >

> > Patricia

>

> L.E: There are big difference between a projected film image and

our ordinary

> reality. You can see a box of oranges as a projected image but you

can't eat

> them where the orange in your hand can be tasted, smelled and eaten

for

> nourishment. The projected image does not nourish. It's a good

try, but easy to

> dismiss and before movies existed, what comparisons did the

teachers use I

> wonder? It's much more complex than that, how it is as it is, and

what it is. I'd

> rather stick with Life Itself and the expression of life into form.

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

....then, Larry.....couldn't you love something or somebody.....who

left his/her form (body).......?

 

the real being and nature is infinite......

 

means....as long " you " , Larry, feel to have an orange in " his "

hand......is already lost in illusion....

 

this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

 

just like this your theorie of oranges....... which are realy

there.....or not realy there.......

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 4/12/2006 8:49:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > gdtige@ writes:

> >

> > > this is a summary of what I retained of chapter 14 of

appearances

> and

> > > reality of I AM THAT.

> > >

> > > There is only light.

> > > And yet, to take appearance for reality is the cause of all

> calamities.

> > > There is only light and light alone. Everything else is but a

> picture made

> > > of light.

> > > The light makes everything possible and yet,

> > > Nothing that makes a thing what it is,

> > > Its name and form,

> > > Comes from the light.

> > > The light does not move at all,

> > > The movement is illusory,

> > > A sequence of interceptions and coloring in the film.

> > > What moves is the film-which is the mind.

> > > The picture on the cinema screen is light also.

> > > There is only light!

> > >

> > > Patricia

> >

> > L.E: There are big difference between a projected film image and

> our ordinary

> > reality. You can see a box of oranges as a projected image but

you

> can't eat

> > them where the orange in your hand can be tasted, smelled and

eaten

> for

> > nourishment. The projected image does not nourish. It's a good

> try, but easy to

> > dismiss and before movies existed, what comparisons did the

> teachers use I

> > wonder? It's much more complex than that, how it is as it is,

and

> what it is. I'd

> > rather stick with Life Itself and the expression of life into

form.

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> >

> ...then, Larry.....couldn't you love something or somebody.....who

> left his/her form (body).......?

>

> the real being and nature is infinite......

>

> means....as long " you " , Larry, feel to have an orange in " his "

> hand......is already lost in illusion....

>

> this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

>

> just like this your theorie of oranges....... which are realy

> there.....or not realy there.......

>

> Marc

>

 

re:

this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

 

And now... where's the illusion now?

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 8:49:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > gdtige@ writes:

> > >

> > > > this is a summary of what I retained of chapter 14 of

> appearances

> > and

> > > > reality of I AM THAT.

> > > >

> > > > There is only light.

> > > > And yet, to take appearance for reality is the cause of all

> > calamities.

> > > > There is only light and light alone. Everything else is but a

> > picture made

> > > > of light.

> > > > The light makes everything possible and yet,

> > > > Nothing that makes a thing what it is,

> > > > Its name and form,

> > > > Comes from the light.

> > > > The light does not move at all,

> > > > The movement is illusory,

> > > > A sequence of interceptions and coloring in the film.

> > > > What moves is the film-which is the mind.

> > > > The picture on the cinema screen is light also.

> > > > There is only light!

> > > >

> > > > Patricia

> > >

> > > L.E: There are big difference between a projected film image

and

> > our ordinary

> > > reality. You can see a box of oranges as a projected image but

> you

> > can't eat

> > > them where the orange in your hand can be tasted, smelled and

> eaten

> > for

> > > nourishment. The projected image does not nourish. It's a

good

> > try, but easy to

> > > dismiss and before movies existed, what comparisons did the

> > teachers use I

> > > wonder? It's much more complex than that, how it is as it is,

> and

> > what it is. I'd

> > > rather stick with Life Itself and the expression of life into

> form.

> > >

> > > Larry Epston

> > >

> > >

> > ...then, Larry.....couldn't you love something or

somebody.....who

> > left his/her form (body).......?

> >

> > the real being and nature is infinite......

> >

> > means....as long " you " , Larry, feel to have an orange in " his "

> > hand......is already lost in illusion....

> >

> > this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

> >

> > just like this your theorie of oranges....... which are realy

> > there.....or not realy there.......

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> re:

> this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

>

> And now... where's the illusion now?

>

>

> Bill

 

 

this is all happening....now.....and in " every now " ......in a dream

only.....

 

in this dream, Bill....there are more or less great egos.....and

also....more or less wonderful lights.......

 

nobody realy care about " Larries " .... " Bill " ..... " Marc " ......except

the dream Itself......which risc to end......

 

in " The now " ....

 

:)

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 8:49:33 AM Pacific Daylight

Time,

> > > > gdtige@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > > this is a summary of what I retained of chapter 14 of

> > appearances

> > > and

> > > > > reality of I AM THAT.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only light.

> > > > > And yet, to take appearance for reality is the cause of all

> > > calamities.

> > > > > There is only light and light alone. Everything else is but

a

> > > picture made

> > > > > of light.

> > > > > The light makes everything possible and yet,

> > > > > Nothing that makes a thing what it is,

> > > > > Its name and form,

> > > > > Comes from the light.

> > > > > The light does not move at all,

> > > > > The movement is illusory,

> > > > > A sequence of interceptions and coloring in the film.

> > > > > What moves is the film-which is the mind.

> > > > > The picture on the cinema screen is light also.

> > > > > There is only light!

> > > > >

> > > > > Patricia

> > > >

> > > > L.E: There are big difference between a projected film image

> and

> > > our ordinary

> > > > reality. You can see a box of oranges as a projected image

but

> > you

> > > can't eat

> > > > them where the orange in your hand can be tasted, smelled and

> > eaten

> > > for

> > > > nourishment. The projected image does not nourish. It's a

> good

> > > try, but easy to

> > > > dismiss and before movies existed, what comparisons did the

> > > teachers use I

> > > > wonder? It's much more complex than that, how it is as it

is,

> > and

> > > what it is. I'd

> > > > rather stick with Life Itself and the expression of life into

> > form.

> > > >

> > > > Larry Epston

> > > >

> > > >

> > > ...then, Larry.....couldn't you love something or

> somebody.....who

> > > left his/her form (body).......?

> > >

> > > the real being and nature is infinite......

> > >

> > > means....as long " you " , Larry, feel to have an orange in " his "

> > > hand......is already lost in illusion....

> > >

> > > this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

> > >

> > > just like this your theorie of oranges....... which are realy

> > > there.....or not realy there.......

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > re:

> > this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

> >

> > And now... where's the illusion now?

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

>

> this is all happening....now.....and in " every now " ......in a dream

> only.....

>

> in this dream, Bill....there are more or less great egos.....and

> also....more or less wonderful lights.......

>

> nobody realy care about " Larries " .... " Bill " ..... " Marc " ......except

> the dream Itself......which risc to end......

>

> in " The now " ....

>

> :)

>

> Marc

>

 

are those words written

or silence written...

 

what is silence without light

what is light without silence

 

tumbling into the void

the dream submerges the moon

 

 

Bill

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In a message dated 4/13/2006 12:32:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

dennis_travis33 writes:

 

> ...then, Larry.....couldn't you love something or somebody.....who

> left his/her form (body).......?

>

> the real being and nature is infinite......

>

> means....as long " you " , Larry, feel to have an orange in " his "

> hand......is already lost in illusion....

>

> this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

>

> just like this your theorie of oranges....... which are realy

> there.....or not realy there.......

>

> Marc

>

>

 

L.E: Just one orange will disappears, the orange tree continues as do

oranges.

Just as the human organism named Larry will disappear, human organisms will

continues. So where is the illusion? Just because a particual life comes and

goes that doesn't mean it's an illusion while its here or after it's gone.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 8:49:33 AM Pacific Daylight

Time,

> > > > gdtige@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > > this is a summary of what I retained of chapter 14 of

> > appearances

> > > and

> > > > > reality of I AM THAT.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only light.

> > > > > And yet, to take appearance for reality is the cause of all

> > > calamities.

> > > > > There is only light and light alone. Everything else is but

a

> > > picture made

> > > > > of light.

> > > > > The light makes everything possible and yet,

> > > > > Nothing that makes a thing what it is,

> > > > > Its name and form,

> > > > > Comes from the light.

> > > > > The light does not move at all,

> > > > > The movement is illusory,

> > > > > A sequence of interceptions and coloring in the film.

> > > > > What moves is the film-which is the mind.

> > > > > The picture on the cinema screen is light also.

> > > > > There is only light!

> > > > >

> > > > > Patricia

> > > >

> > > > L.E: There are big difference between a projected film image

> and

> > > our ordinary

> > > > reality. You can see a box of oranges as a projected image

but

> > you

> > > can't eat

> > > > them where the orange in your hand can be tasted, smelled and

> > eaten

> > > for

> > > > nourishment. The projected image does not nourish. It's a

> good

> > > try, but easy to

> > > > dismiss and before movies existed, what comparisons did the

> > > teachers use I

> > > > wonder? It's much more complex than that, how it is as it

is,

> > and

> > > what it is. I'd

> > > > rather stick with Life Itself and the expression of life into

> > form.

> > > >

> > > > Larry Epston

> > > >

> > > >

> > > ...then, Larry.....couldn't you love something or

> somebody.....who

> > > left his/her form (body).......?

> > >

> > > the real being and nature is infinite......

> > >

> > > means....as long " you " , Larry, feel to have an orange in " his "

> > > hand......is already lost in illusion....

> > >

> > > this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

> > >

> > > just like this your theorie of oranges....... which are realy

> > > there.....or not realy there.......

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > re:

> > this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

> >

> > And now... where's the illusion now?

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

>

> this is all happening....now.....and in " every now " ......in a dream

> only.....

>

> in this dream, Bill....there are more or less great egos.....and

> also....more or less wonderful lights.......

>

> nobody realy care about " Larries " .... " Bill " ..... " Marc " ......except

> the dream Itself......which risc to end......

>

> in " The now " ....

>

> :)

>

> Marc

>

 

are those words written

or silence written...

 

what is silence without light

what is light without silence

 

tumbling into the void

the dream submerges the moon

 

 

Bill

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In a message dated 4/13/2006 5:18:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

dennis_travis33 writes:

 

> yes....there is no illusion in a dream.....

>

> in a dream...things appear to come and go.....

>

> things appear only to come and go.....

> because the " seer " of things work in limited time and

> space " observations " ....

>

> and therefore him/herself is also only the fiction of a time and

> space related object.....

>

> the subject is out of this time and space related appearences

>

> there is only one subject.....and all appearences are reflections of

> this one subject

>

> illusion is when " Larry " identify himself with the infinite subject

> ....and forget that the subject Itself....can't hold an orange in the

> hands

>

> Marc

>

>

>

L.E: Good try Marc. I'm sure you are saying something of significance,

but I can't understand what it is. Sorry for my limitation.

 

Larry

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 8:49:33 AM Pacific Daylight

> Time,

> > > > > gdtige@ writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > > this is a summary of what I retained of chapter 14 of

> > > appearances

> > > > and

> > > > > > reality of I AM THAT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is only light.

> > > > > > And yet, to take appearance for reality is the cause of

all

> > > > calamities.

> > > > > > There is only light and light alone. Everything else is

but

> a

> > > > picture made

> > > > > > of light.

> > > > > > The light makes everything possible and yet,

> > > > > > Nothing that makes a thing what it is,

> > > > > > Its name and form,

> > > > > > Comes from the light.

> > > > > > The light does not move at all,

> > > > > > The movement is illusory,

> > > > > > A sequence of interceptions and coloring in the film.

> > > > > > What moves is the film-which is the mind.

> > > > > > The picture on the cinema screen is light also.

> > > > > > There is only light!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > > > > L.E: There are big difference between a projected film

image

> > and

> > > > our ordinary

> > > > > reality. You can see a box of oranges as a projected image

> but

> > > you

> > > > can't eat

> > > > > them where the orange in your hand can be tasted, smelled

and

> > > eaten

> > > > for

> > > > > nourishment. The projected image does not nourish. It's a

> > good

> > > > try, but easy to

> > > > > dismiss and before movies existed, what comparisons did the

> > > > teachers use I

> > > > > wonder? It's much more complex than that, how it is as it

> is,

> > > and

> > > > what it is. I'd

> > > > > rather stick with Life Itself and the expression of life

into

> > > form.

> > > > >

> > > > > Larry Epston

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > ...then, Larry.....couldn't you love something or

> > somebody.....who

> > > > left his/her form (body).......?

> > > >

> > > > the real being and nature is infinite......

> > > >

> > > > means....as long " you " , Larry, feel to have an orange

in " his "

> > > > hand......is already lost in illusion....

> > > >

> > > > this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

> > > >

> > > > just like this your theorie of oranges....... which are realy

> > > > there.....or not realy there.......

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > > re:

> > > this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

> > >

> > > And now... where's the illusion now?

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > this is all happening....now.....and in " every now " ......in a

dream

> > only.....

> >

> > in this dream, Bill....there are more or less great egos.....and

> > also....more or less wonderful lights.......

> >

> > nobody realy care

about " Larries " .... " Bill " ..... " Marc " ......except

> > the dream Itself......which risc to end......

> >

> > in " The now " ....

> >

> > :)

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> are those words written

> or silence written...

>

> what is silence without light

> what is light without silence

>

> tumbling into the void

> the dream submerges the moon

>

>

> Bill

 

 

 

 

wherever is Silence.....there is light...

.....and also the moment of waking up.....

 

" the world " let one fall asleep ....again....and again

 

Silence has nothing in common with the world....but without

Silence......there could be no projection of worlds

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/13/2006 12:32:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> dennis_travis33 writes:

>

> > ...then, Larry.....couldn't you love something or

somebody.....who

> > left his/her form (body).......?

> >

> > the real being and nature is infinite......

> >

> > means....as long " you " , Larry, feel to have an orange in " his "

> > hand......is already lost in illusion....

> >

> > this illusion " Larry " will be no more.....one day.......

> >

> > just like this your theorie of oranges....... which are realy

> > there.....or not realy there.......

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

>

> L.E: Just one orange will disappears, the orange tree continues as

do

> oranges.

> Just as the human organism named Larry will disappear, human

organisms will

> continues. So where is the illusion? Just because a particual

life comes and

> goes that doesn't mean it's an illusion while its here or after

it's gone.

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

yes....there is no illusion in a dream.....

 

in a dream...things appear to come and go.....

 

things appear only to come and go.....

because the " seer " of things work in limited time and

space " observations " ....

 

and therefore him/herself is also only the fiction of a time and

space related object.....

 

the subject is out of this time and space related appearences

 

there is only one subject.....and all appearences are reflections of

this one subject

 

illusion is when " Larry " identify himself with the infinite subject

.....and forget that the subject Itself....can't hold an orange in the

hands

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/13/2006 5:18:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> dennis_travis33 writes:

>

> > yes....there is no illusion in a dream.....

> >

> > in a dream...things appear to come and go.....

> >

> > things appear only to come and go.....

> > because the " seer " of things work in limited time and

> > space " observations " ....

> >

> > and therefore him/herself is also only the fiction of a time and

> > space related object.....

> >

> > the subject is out of this time and space related appearences

> >

> > there is only one subject.....and all appearences are reflections

of

> > this one subject

> >

> > illusion is when " Larry " identify himself with the infinite

subject

> > ....and forget that the subject Itself....can't hold an orange in

the

> > hands

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> >

> L.E: Good try Marc. I'm sure you are saying something of

significance,

> but I can't understand what it is. Sorry for my limitation.

>

> Larry

>

>

.....yes Larry.....

 

in talking here in limited time and space related fictions.....there

is nothing " to understand " .....except that we are limited....

 

so the reason you still can't " understand " ....is our attitude of nice

play.....nice fun....in this great and wonderful nothingness of a

life-dream

 

:)

 

Marc

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>In a message dated 4/13/2006 5:18:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

>dennis_travis33 writes:

>

>>yes....there is no illusion in a dream.....

>>

>>in a dream...things appear to come and go.....

>>

>>things appear only to come and go.....

>>because the " seer " of things work in limited time and

>>space " observations " ....

>>

>>and therefore him/herself is also only the fiction of a time and

>>space related object.....

>>

>>the subject is out of this time and space related appearences

>>

>>there is only one subject.....and all appearences are reflections

of

>>this one subject

>>

>>illusion is when " Larry " identify himself with the infinite

subject

>>....and forget that the subject Itself....can't hold an orange in

the

>>hands

>>

>>Marc

>>

L.E: Good try Marc. I'm sure you are saying something of

significance,

>but I can't understand what it is. Sorry for my limitation.

>

>Larry

>

>

yes Larry.....

 

in talking here in limited time and space related fictions.....there

is nothing " to understand " .....except that we are limited....

 

so the reason you still can't " understand " ....is our attitude of nice

play.....nice fun....in this great and wonderful nothingness of a

life-dream

 

Marc

 

 

L.E: Sorry Marc. You may be correct, but it appears to me to be an English

problem of usage and definitions. So, to you we are limited. Exactly how

limited, and what is unlimited? Are you so limited you cannot even know that an

unlimited exists?

 

Larry Epston

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

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>

> >In a message dated 4/13/2006 5:18:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> >dennis_travis33@ writes:

> >

> >>yes....there is no illusion in a dream.....

> >>

> >>in a dream...things appear to come and go.....

> >>

> >>things appear only to come and go.....

> >>because the " seer " of things work in limited time and

> >>space " observations " ....

> >>

> >>and therefore him/herself is also only the fiction of a time and

> >>space related object.....

> >>

> >>the subject is out of this time and space related appearences

> >>

> >>there is only one subject.....and all appearences are reflections

> of

> >>this one subject

> >>

> >>illusion is when " Larry " identify himself with the infinite

> subject

> >>....and forget that the subject Itself....can't hold an orange in

> the

> >>hands

> >>

> >>Marc

> >>

> L.E: Good try Marc. I'm sure you are saying something of

> significance,

> >but I can't understand what it is. Sorry for my limitation.

> >

> >Larry

> >

> >

> yes Larry.....

>

> in talking here in limited time and space related

fictions.....there

> is nothing " to understand " .....except that we are limited....

>

> so the reason you still can't " understand " ....is our attitude of

nice

> play.....nice fun....in this great and wonderful nothingness of a

> life-dream

>

> Marc

>

>

> L.E: Sorry Marc. You may be correct, but it appears to me to be an

English

> problem of usage and definitions. So, to you we are limited.

Exactly how

> limited, and what is unlimited? Are you so limited you cannot even

know that an

> unlimited exists?

>

> Larry Epston

>

> >

> > Get it Mark/ It's an English problem of usage and definitions. If

you were French or German or Russian..or what have you, everything

would be just hunky dorey with definition of usages OR your usage of

definitions. See then there would be no prob.! That's my guess as to

the meaning of this DEEP analysis and commentary of our pal Larry.

;-)

......bob

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