Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:29:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: > This conversation is only strange, because you are not aware > yourself of what the conversation is about. > You are conditioned to believe that ego is you. This is true, in > some meaning, because as good as everybody identyfies himself with > the bunch om memories and reactions called " me " . > Imagine that you are strongly identyfied with your beautiful house > with a swimmingpool. You cannot imagine not being identyfied with > it, you cannot imagine an existance without this beautiful, > luxurious status symbol. L.E: What you write does not seem accurate or true to me. I suppose the difference occurrs as we each see the nature of the ego differently and as long as that exists, argumentation will exist as each defends his own point of view. Mind and its individual contents are not the ego. Ego is a pattern or vibration that comes out of mind, or exists within mind, but is not mind itself. No one is " conditioned to believe " that there is an ego separate from the real you. That's just word stuff. You talk about ego as if it was an appendage, something separate from yourself, and I see that as impossible. If the ego can play a game to hide itself from itself, it is exactly doing what you are doing. I don't do that, but you do. Pretending you are not the ego but can talk about the ego. By doing that, you are trying to get power and control over yourself by using yourself which is futile and impossible even though you persist. If I am like a person attached to a house, you are a person trying to get milk from a stone. Impossible. How you got into that situation I have no idea except it is a defensive tactic as you tried to defend yourself from ideological attack like from a religious inperative. To survive, you became split and exist in an abberant distorted form of self and cannot find a way to become whole again. See if you can remember how you got that way. Perhaps that will help. Think of those freaks that grow two heads and have to ask the same question. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 In a message dated 4/13/2006 5:53:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dennis_travis33 writes: > ....as long you " belief " that there are " most people " .....maybe you > are still lying in this your " grave " .....dreaming..... > > Marc > L.E: If you were here, I'd hit you with my long stick and we'd soon enough see who was dreaming and who has a broken head! Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:29:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > This conversation is only strange, because you are not aware > > yourself of what the conversation is about. > > You are conditioned to believe that ego is you. This is true, in > > some meaning, because as good as everybody identyfies himself with > > the bunch om memories and reactions called " me " . > > Imagine that you are strongly identyfied with your beautiful house > > with a swimmingpool. You cannot imagine not being identyfied with > > it, you cannot imagine an existance without this beautiful, > > luxurious status symbol. > > L.E: What you write does not seem accurate or true to me. I suppose the > difference occurrs as we each see the nature of the ego differently and as long as > that exists, argumentation will exist as each defends his own point of view. > Mind and its individual contents are not the ego. Ego is a pattern or > vibration that comes out of mind, or exists within mind, but is not mind itself. No > one is " conditioned to believe " that there is an ego separate from the real > you. That's just word stuff. You talk about ego as if it was an appendage, > something separate from yourself, and I see that as impossible. If the ego can > play a game to hide itself from itself, it is exactly doing what you are doing. > I don't do that, but you do. Pretending you are not the ego but can talk > about the ego. By doing that, you are trying to get power and control over > yourself by using yourself which is futile and impossible even though you persist. > If I am like a person attached to a house, you are a person trying to get > milk from a stone. Impossible. How you got into that situation I have no idea > except it is a defensive tactic as you tried to defend yourself from > ideological attack like from a religious inperative. To survive, you became split and > exist in an abberant distorted form of self and cannot find a way to become > whole again. See if you can remember how you got that way. Perhaps that will > help. Think of those freaks that grow two heads and have to ask the same > question. > > Larry Epston You will keep believing this untill you notice the difference between what you believe to be there and what is. Which for most people means - to their grave. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:29:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > This conversation is only strange, because you are not aware > > > yourself of what the conversation is about. > > > You are conditioned to believe that ego is you. This is true, in > > > some meaning, because as good as everybody identyfies himself > with > > > the bunch om memories and reactions called " me " . > > > Imagine that you are strongly identyfied with your beautiful > house > > > with a swimmingpool. You cannot imagine not being identyfied > with > > > it, you cannot imagine an existance without this beautiful, > > > luxurious status symbol. > > > > L.E: What you write does not seem accurate or true to me. I > suppose the > > difference occurrs as we each see the nature of the ego > differently and as long as > > that exists, argumentation will exist as each defends his own > point of view. > > Mind and its individual contents are not the ego. Ego is a > pattern or > > vibration that comes out of mind, or exists within mind, but is > not mind itself. No > > one is " conditioned to believe " that there is an ego separate from > the real > > you. That's just word stuff. You talk about ego as if it was an > appendage, > > something separate from yourself, and I see that as impossible. > If the ego can > > play a game to hide itself from itself, it is exactly doing what > you are doing. > > I don't do that, but you do. Pretending you are not the ego but > can talk > > about the ego. By doing that, you are trying to get power and > control over > > yourself by using yourself which is futile and impossible even > though you persist. > > If I am like a person attached to a house, you are a person > trying to get > > milk from a stone. Impossible. How you got into that situation I > have no idea > > except it is a defensive tactic as you tried to defend yourself > from > > ideological attack like from a religious inperative. To survive, > you became split and > > exist in an abberant distorted form of self and cannot find a way > to become > > whole again. See if you can remember how you got that way. > Perhaps that will > > help. Think of those freaks that grow two heads and have to ask > the same > > question. > > > > Larry Epston > > > > You will keep believing this untill you notice the difference > between what you believe to be there and what is. > Which for most people means - to their grave. > > Len > .....as long you " belief " that there are " most people " .....maybe you are still lying in this your " grave " .....dreaming..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:29:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > > > This conversation is only strange, because you are not aware > > > > yourself of what the conversation is about. > > > > You are conditioned to believe that ego is you. This is true, > in > > > > some meaning, because as good as everybody identyfies himself > > with > > > > the bunch om memories and reactions called " me " . > > > > Imagine that you are strongly identyfied with your beautiful > > house > > > > with a swimmingpool. You cannot imagine not being identyfied > > with > > > > it, you cannot imagine an existance without this beautiful, > > > > luxurious status symbol. > > > > > > L.E: What you write does not seem accurate or true to me. I > > suppose the > > > difference occurrs as we each see the nature of the ego > > differently and as long as > > > that exists, argumentation will exist as each defends his own > > point of view. > > > Mind and its individual contents are not the ego. Ego is a > > pattern or > > > vibration that comes out of mind, or exists within mind, but is > > not mind itself. No > > > one is " conditioned to believe " that there is an ego separate > from > > the real > > > you. That's just word stuff. You talk about ego as if it was an > > appendage, > > > something separate from yourself, and I see that as impossible. > > If the ego can > > > play a game to hide itself from itself, it is exactly doing what > > you are doing. > > > I don't do that, but you do. Pretending you are not the ego but > > can talk > > > about the ego. By doing that, you are trying to get power and > > control over > > > yourself by using yourself which is futile and impossible even > > though you persist. > > > If I am like a person attached to a house, you are a person > > trying to get > > > milk from a stone. Impossible. How you got into that situation I > > have no idea > > > except it is a defensive tactic as you tried to defend yourself > > from > > > ideological attack like from a religious inperative. To survive, > > you became split and > > > exist in an abberant distorted form of self and cannot find a > way > > to become > > > whole again. See if you can remember how you got that way. > > Perhaps that will > > > help. Think of those freaks that grow two heads and have to ask > > the same > > > question. > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > You will keep believing this untill you notice the difference > > between what you believe to be there and what is. > > Which for most people means - to their grave. > > > > Len > > > ....as long you " belief " that there are " most people " .....maybe you > are still lying in this your " grave " .....dreaming..... > > Marc And what kind of crap have you been reading? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:29:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > > > > > This conversation is only strange, because you are not aware > > > > > yourself of what the conversation is about. > > > > > You are conditioned to believe that ego is you. This is > true, > > in > > > > > some meaning, because as good as everybody identyfies > himself > > > with > > > > > the bunch om memories and reactions called " me " . > > > > > Imagine that you are strongly identyfied with your beautiful > > > house > > > > > with a swimmingpool. You cannot imagine not being identyfied > > > with > > > > > it, you cannot imagine an existance without this beautiful, > > > > > luxurious status symbol. > > > > > > > > L.E: What you write does not seem accurate or true to me. I > > > suppose the > > > > difference occurrs as we each see the nature of the ego > > > differently and as long as > > > > that exists, argumentation will exist as each defends his own > > > point of view. > > > > Mind and its individual contents are not the ego. Ego is a > > > pattern or > > > > vibration that comes out of mind, or exists within mind, but > is > > > not mind itself. No > > > > one is " conditioned to believe " that there is an ego separate > > from > > > the real > > > > you. That's just word stuff. You talk about ego as if it was > an > > > appendage, > > > > something separate from yourself, and I see that as > impossible. > > > If the ego can > > > > play a game to hide itself from itself, it is exactly doing > what > > > you are doing. > > > > I don't do that, but you do. Pretending you are not the ego > but > > > can talk > > > > about the ego. By doing that, you are trying to get power and > > > control over > > > > yourself by using yourself which is futile and impossible even > > > though you persist. > > > > If I am like a person attached to a house, you are a person > > > trying to get > > > > milk from a stone. Impossible. How you got into that > situation I > > > have no idea > > > > except it is a defensive tactic as you tried to defend > yourself > > > from > > > > ideological attack like from a religious inperative. To > survive, > > > you became split and > > > > exist in an abberant distorted form of self and cannot find a > > way > > > to become > > > > whole again. See if you can remember how you got that way. > > > Perhaps that will > > > > help. Think of those freaks that grow two heads and have to > ask > > > the same > > > > question. > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > > > You will keep believing this untill you notice the difference > > > between what you believe to be there and what is. > > > Which for most people means - to their grave. > > > > > > Len > > > > > ....as long you " belief " that there are " most people " .....maybe > you > > are still lying in this your " grave " .....dreaming..... > > > > Marc > > > > And what kind of crap have you been reading? > > Len i read your crap..... always funny to read such ego-minded crap..... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 5:53:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > dennis_travis33 writes: > > > ....as long you " belief " that there are " most people " .....maybe you > > are still lying in this your " grave " .....dreaming..... > > > > Marc > > > > L.E: If you were here, I'd hit you with my long stick and we'd soon enough > see who was dreaming and who has a broken head! > > Larry Epston > > LOL is this a nice and new concept of communication?.... or did you have a nightmare....again?.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 In a message dated 4/12/2006 7:40:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: >>Yes. The idea of non existing ego is meant to keep the ego intact >>(no need to pay attention to something which doesn´t exist) and at >>the same time reach the state which can be only there when the ego >>is not ;-) >> >>Len > L.E: This conversation is so strange as you all try to talk about the ego but cannot recognize that you are the ego that is talking. You talk about the ego as if it was something other than what you are. As if by splitting yourself as ego into an observer and the observed ego you can analyze and understand yourself as ego. lCan't be done. And there's a big lesson there. The ego, you, cannot divide into two and understand your own nature. But you can relax and let the ego subside, and let is dissolve for a moment in the reservoir of mind from which it arises. Then the you who talks to yourself disappears and the experience of healing and peace can occurr. Larry Epston And so you demonstrate Len's point perfectly. L.E; That's absurd. The ego doesn't invent the idea of the non-existing ego as a defense. It has no independent volition at all. You are your ego. If anyone is running from anything, it is you pretending to be not you. Is that what you are doing to keep your ego intact? Are you the demonstration of Len's point perfectly? Larry Epston '' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:11:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:16:10 EDT epston Non-Existing Ego In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:29:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: > This conversation is only strange, because you are not aware > yourself of what the conversation is about. > You are conditioned to believe that ego is you. This is true, in > some meaning, because as good as everybody identyfies himself with > the bunch om memories and reactions called " me " . > Imagine that you are strongly identyfied with your beautiful house > with a swimmingpool. You cannot imagine not being identyfied with > it, you cannot imagine an existance without this beautiful, > luxurious status symbol. L.E: What you write does not seem accurate or true to me. I suppose the difference occurrs as we each see the nature of the ego differently and as long as that exists, argumentation will exist as each defends his own point of view. Mind and its individual contents are not the ego. Ego is a pattern or vibration that comes out of mind, or exists within mind, but is not mind itself. No one is " conditioned to believe " that there is an ego separate from the real you. That's just word stuff. You talk about ego as if it was an appendage, something separate from yourself, and I see that as impossible. If the ego can play a game to hide itself from itself, it is exactly doing what you are doing. I don't do that, but you do. Pretending you are not the ego but can talk about the ego. By doing that, you are trying to get power and control over yourself by using yourself which is futile and impossible even though you persist. If I am like a person attached to a house, you are a person trying to get milk from a stone. Impossible. How you got into that situation I have no idea except it is a defensive tactic as you tried to defend yourself from ideological attack like from a religious inperative. To survive, you became split and exist in an abberant distorted form of self and cannot find a way to become whole again. See if you can remember how you got that way. Perhaps that will help. Think of those freaks that grow two heads and have to ask the same question. Larry Epston L: Mind and its individual contents are not the ego. P: Ego is a concept that refers to a collection of self referential thoughts. It's not a thing or a pattern or something that exists separately from mind. L: If the ego can play a game to hide itself from itself, it is exactly doing what you are doing. I don't do that, P: You do that more effectively than anyone else here, Larry, which is why you don't know you're doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 7:40:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > >>Yes. The idea of non existing ego is meant to keep the ego intact > >>(no need to pay attention to something which doesn´t exist) and at > >>the same time reach the state which can be only there when the ego > >>is not ;-) > >> > >>Len > > > L.E: This conversation is so strange as you all try to talk about the ego > but > cannot recognize that you are the ego that is talking. You talk about the > ego as if it was something other than what you are. As if by splitting > yourself > as ego into an observer and the observed ego you can analyze and understand > > yourself as ego. lCan't be done. And there's a big lesson there. The ego, > you, > cannot divide into two and understand your own nature. But you can relax > and > let the ego subside, and let is dissolve for a moment in the reservoir of > mind from which it arises. Then the you who talks to yourself disappears > and the > experience of healing and peace can occurr. > > Larry Epston > > > > And so you demonstrate Len's point perfectly. > > > L.E; That's absurd. The ego doesn't invent the idea of the non- existing ego > as a defense. It has no independent volition at all. You are your ego. If > anyone is running from anything, it is you pretending to be not you. Is that > what you are doing to keep your ego intact? Are you the demonstration of Len's > point perfectly? > > Larry Epston > '' > OK you(who are not your ego) are pretending to not be you(also not the ego), and the ego(not you) doesn't invent the idea of it's(ego's) non-existence, which by the way it is i.e.:not existing. I'm not having an easy time with this , but let us proceed. Near the end of line two above we reverse ourselves and you are your ego now. And furthermore, now that you is the ego again, you is running pretending to be the you that you are not; which is the ego that you is/is not. And the purpose of this running, which by the way is non-volitional (BIG WORD..a little drama here), is all about keeping this ego/no- ego/you/not you/ Self(methiks) INTACT! OK now damn't all Len..are you demonstrating Len's point here? Someone thinks so. I NEED guys like Larry to get me back on track with his humour as/like this terrific fun demonstration of his. Thanks L.E., you're a lot of fun and a big blessing too. .........bob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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