Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 In a message dated 4/28/2006 11:45:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, illusyn writes: > An amoeba feeds itself. > Therefore an amoeba has a sense of self? > > Bill > > L.E: It probably does. An amoeba is already an existing life form and has the full energy of the universe behind it and as it. It is already a combination of elements. Is it multicellular? I don't know. I think so; my guess. There's probably a relationship between the ancient amoeba and a fish and a dog, and perhaps an elephant although the direct links have vanished. Same as with the first cells so long ago, and us, human organisms. Remember that before the amoeba was the cell and that rests on the birth of molecules that rests on the existence of atoms and so on down into the substance of empty space as Infinite Potential. I'd say, that since it has a membrane that defines it from the environment, that is has a self, and perhaps even molecules and atoms have or are, a self. In that sense, life, awareness and self are all part of the flow from non-existence to physical existence. Does an atom have physical existence? Or is it non-physical energy? You are made of them and they are all active and alive, can you find the answer within your own nature? Is there anything you or we are that is not now atoms, atomic energy? Has a new phenomenon entered the picture? Is ego separate from atoms, molecules and cells? I don't know either. It's all quite strange, weird and marvelous. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 In a message dated 4/29/2006 3:56:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 02:10:15 EDT epston Re: Non-Existing Ego In a message dated 4/28/2006 10:39:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > > > In a message dated 4/27/2006 12:25:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:11:53 -0400 > epston > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic ego structure of mind. > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit its exposure to > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise itself at its absence. > > Phil: Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not be removed, > and > in fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment has 'occurred', the > ego structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > L.E: Ego is an aspect of mind projecting into the beyond-body world. > When interest is removed, it retreats back into mind and dissolves until it > > is relevant to the circomstances as defined by mind, which is fed by > sensual > experiences. If a tooth starts to ache, ego will appears to connect with a > > dentist. Egos are the connecting links between minds. > The body doesn't need an ego to survive, it doesn't need arms and legs > either, or a kidney, etc. The body maintains the brain out of which mind > arises > and projects ego as needed. Enlightenment, as least one kind occurrs when > the > ego dissolves back into the mind and the mind/organism experiences its own > existence without ego. but this condition is usually temporary and the > mind > will eventually project itself as ego again when it has to relate to the > environment or other egos. > > Larry Epston > > > > The body functions internally without need of ego, but will not interface > with the world at all without a self identifying structure. It will not > care > for itself or feed itself without a sense of self. > > Phil > L.E: As you think this through, there are problems with your argument. The body can function without an ego, but not without a brain and the mind is produced by the brain. So as you mention body, do you include brain and mind? There are people who will take care of a body that has an inactive brain and no ego or sense of self. Recently a woman was kept alive for a long time although brain dead. In this case, she did not have to take care of her individual self. It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego is necessary for a human organism to desire to eat and deficate. Babies eat and poop and have very little if any ego structure. But they are fed as was the brain dead woman. Severly mentally ill people with low intelligence probably recognize food and eat and even if grown have little or minimal ego structure. I can say that the existence of the body, is itself, a sense of self. Body as self-aware substance. As an accumulation of cells that wants nourishment, it knows, as body, it needs and wants to eat to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for this to occurr. Also consider an organism like a worm, that has a mouth and an anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure. Anyhow, what is your concern here? If the ego is dissolved how can the body survive? I wrote this is a temporary state when this happens. It is like sleep but one is still awake until you or I has disappeared or dissolved. I don't see it as a big deal because we do it all the time. Of course when we do that, time disappears. Larry Epston Ego is not separate from mind. It's not clear whether you talked yourself out of the idea that a person who has no sense of self will feed himself or not. I say no, he will not. This is not a biological function like defecating. It's a seeming act of will that arises from self awareness. I don't consider cells to be self aware. Self awareness seems to take one outside of the 'automatic' functioning as a part of nature itself. I don't know how to differentiate between self awareness and ego right now. They seem to be the same. If ego is lost, it seems self awareness is lost, but this is a creature that has evolved to function with self awareness, and so it doesn't lose it and start feeding itself automatically like a worm. But some adults in India dissolve the self and never return and they are called 'masts.' They do not or can not return to the ordinary ego level of awareness and have to be fed by others or they will die as you say. In that sense, I agree with you. Interesting. I've never heard of that. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 In a message dated 4/29/2006 3:56:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:43:58 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Re: Non-Existing Ego Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/27/2006 12:25:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:11:53 -0400 > epston > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic ego structure of mind. > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit its exposure to > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise itself at its absence. > > Phil: Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not be removed, and > in fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment has 'occurred', the > ego structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > L.E: Ego is an aspect of mind projecting into the beyond-body world. > When interest is removed, it retreats back into mind and dissolves until it > is relevant to the circomstances as defined by mind, which is fed by sensual > experiences. If a tooth starts to ache, ego will appears to connect with a > dentist. Egos are the connecting links between minds. > The body doesn't need an ego to survive, it doesn't need arms and legs > either, or a kidney, etc. The body maintains the brain out of which mind arises > and projects ego as needed. Enlightenment, as least one kind occurrs when the > ego dissolves back into the mind and the mind/organism experiences its own > existence without ego. but this condition is usually temporary and the mind > will eventually project itself as ego again when it has to relate to the > environment or other egos. > > Larry Epston > > > > The body functions internally without need of ego, but will not interface > with the world at all without a self identifying structure. It will not care > for itself or feed itself without a sense of self. > > Phil > An amoeba feeds itself. Therefore an amoeba has a sense of self? Bill Not in my perception. To me, what we call 'instinct' is not really genetic programming of some kind, but rather a direct connection to consciousness. This instinct can be expanded to include not just the wild and wacky animal behaviors that we can't seem to explain any other way, but rather it includes all behavior in the lower creatures that have not evolved any self awareness, which requires a well developed brain. IOW, amoebas are being lived by consciousness without the illusion of self will/self direction. I see no magic point of evolution where self awareness suddenly occurs, but rather there is a progressively increasing ability for self awareness. As this increases, the creature's ability to live as an integrated part of nature, lived by consciousness, is progressively lost, until we reach the human level where the creature firmly believes in it's own independent will by virtue of it's ability to be aware of itself as an apparently separate self. The advantage of self awareness is that it allows for the possibility of transcending one's own level of consciousness, not through an act of will, but merely as a part of the functioning of nature. The downside, of course, is that the human has bitten the apple and severed itself from it's source. It can never go back, and so must continue to struggle with it's own delusion of self, or transcend the self and dissolve in oneness from which it began it's experiential journey. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/29/2006 3:56:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 29 Apr 2006 02:10:15 EDT > epston > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > In a message dated 4/28/2006 10:39:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB writes: > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/27/2006 12:25:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:11:53 -0400 > > epston > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic ego structure of mind. > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit its exposure to > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise itself at its > absence. > > > > Phil: Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not be removed, > > and > > in fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment has 'occurred', > the > > ego structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > > > L.E: Ego is an aspect of mind projecting into the beyond- body world. > > When interest is removed, it retreats back into mind and dissolves until > it > > > > is relevant to the circomstances as defined by mind, which is fed by > > sensual > > experiences. If a tooth starts to ache, ego will appears to connect with > a > > > > dentist. Egos are the connecting links between minds. > > The body doesn't need an ego to survive, it doesn't need arms and legs > > either, or a kidney, etc. The body maintains the brain out of which mind > > arises > > and projects ego as needed. Enlightenment, as least one kind occurrs when > > the > > ego dissolves back into the mind and the mind/organism experiences its > own > > existence without ego. but this condition is usually temporary and the > > mind > > will eventually project itself as ego again when it has to relate to the > > environment or other egos. > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > The body functions internally without need of ego, but will not interface > > > with the world at all without a self identifying structure. It will not > > care > > for itself or feed itself without a sense of self. > > > > Phil > > > L.E: As you think this through, there are problems with your argument. The > body can function without an ego, but not without a brain and the mind is > produced by the brain. So as you mention body, do you include brain and > mind? > There are people who will take care of a body that has an inactive brain and > no > ego or sense of self. Recently a woman was kept alive for a long time > although > brain dead. In this case, she did not have to take care of her individual > self. It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego is necessary for a human > organism > to desire to eat and deficate. Babies eat and poop and have very little if > any ego structure. But they are fed as was the brain dead woman. Severly > mentally ill people with low intelligence probably recognize food and eat > and even > if grown have little or minimal ego structure. I can say that the existence > of the body, is itself, a sense of self. Body as self-aware substance. > As an accumulation of cells that wants nourishment, it knows, as body, it > needs and wants to eat to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for > this > to occurr. Also consider an organism like a worm, that has a mouth and an > anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure. Anyhow, what is your > concern > here? If the ego is dissolved how can the body survive? I wrote this is a > temporary state when this happens. It is like sleep but one is still awake > until you or I has disappeared or dissolved. I don't see it as a big deal > because > we do it all the time. Of course when we do that, time disappears. Larry > Epston > > > > Ego is not separate from mind. > > It's not clear whether you talked yourself out of the idea that a person who > has no sense of self will feed himself or not. I say no, he will not. This > is not a biological function like defecating. It's a seeming act of will that > arises from self awareness. > > I don't consider cells to be self aware. Self awareness seems to take one > outside of the 'automatic' functioning as a part of nature itself. > > I don't know how to differentiate between self awareness and ego right now. > They seem to be the same. If ego is lost, it seems self awareness is lost, but > this is a creature that has evolved to function with self awareness, and so > it doesn't lose it and start feeding itself automatically like a worm. > But some > adults in India dissolve the self and never return and they are called > 'masts.' They do not or can not return to the ordinary ego level of > awareness and > have to be fed by others or they will die as you say. In that sense, I agree > with > you. > > > > Interesting. I've never heard of that. > > Phil It is possible for the ego (psychological " me " structure) not to operate, while all necessary body and mind functions, including working, communicating and driving a car are functioning perfectly well. Strange but true. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 In a message dated 4/30/2006 12:51:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:46:49 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Non-Existing Ego Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/29/2006 3:56:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 29 Apr 2006 02:10:15 EDT > epston > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > In a message dated 4/28/2006 10:39:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB writes: > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/27/2006 12:25:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:11:53 -0400 > > epston > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic ego structure of mind. > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit its exposure to > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise itself at its > absence. > > > > Phil: Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not be removed, > > and > > in fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment has 'occurred', > the > > ego structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > > > L.E: Ego is an aspect of mind projecting into the beyond- body world. > > When interest is removed, it retreats back into mind and dissolves until > it > > > > is relevant to the circomstances as defined by mind, which is fed by > > sensual > > experiences. If a tooth starts to ache, ego will appears to connect with > a > > > > dentist. Egos are the connecting links between minds. > > The body doesn't need an ego to survive, it doesn't need arms and legs > > either, or a kidney, etc. The body maintains the brain out of which mind > > arises > > and projects ego as needed. Enlightenment, as least one kind occurrs when > > the > > ego dissolves back into the mind and the mind/organism experiences its > own > > existence without ego. but this condition is usually temporary and the > > mind > > will eventually project itself as ego again when it has to relate to the > > environment or other egos. > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > The body functions internally without need of ego, but will not interface > > > with the world at all without a self identifying structure. It will not > > care > > for itself or feed itself without a sense of self. > > > > Phil > > > L.E: As you think this through, there are problems with your argument. The > body can function without an ego, but not without a brain and the mind is > produced by the brain. So as you mention body, do you include brain and > mind? > There are people who will take care of a body that has an inactive brain and > no > ego or sense of self. Recently a woman was kept alive for a long time > although > brain dead. In this case, she did not have to take care of her individual > self. It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego is necessary for a human > organism > to desire to eat and deficate. Babies eat and poop and have very little if > any ego structure. But they are fed as was the brain dead woman. Severly > mentally ill people with low intelligence probably recognize food and eat > and even > if grown have little or minimal ego structure. I can say that the existence > of the body, is itself, a sense of self. Body as self-aware substance. > As an accumulation of cells that wants nourishment, it knows, as body, it > needs and wants to eat to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for > this > to occurr. Also consider an organism like a worm, that has a mouth and an > anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure. Anyhow, what is your > concern > here? If the ego is dissolved how can the body survive? I wrote this is a > temporary state when this happens. It is like sleep but one is still awake > until you or I has disappeared or dissolved. I don't see it as a big deal > because > we do it all the time. Of course when we do that, time disappears. Larry > Epston > > > > Ego is not separate from mind. > > It's not clear whether you talked yourself out of the idea that a person who > has no sense of self will feed himself or not. I say no, he will not. This > is not a biological function like defecating. It's a seeming act of will that > arises from self awareness. > > I don't consider cells to be self aware. Self awareness seems to take one > outside of the 'automatic' functioning as a part of nature itself. > > I don't know how to differentiate between self awareness and ego right now. > They seem to be the same. If ego is lost, it seems self awareness is lost, but > this is a creature that has evolved to function with self awareness, and so > it doesn't lose it and start feeding itself automatically like a worm. > But some > adults in India dissolve the self and never return and they are called > 'masts.' They do not or can not return to the ordinary ego level of > awareness and > have to be fed by others or they will die as you say. In that sense, I agree > with > you. > > > > Interesting. I've never heard of that. > > Phil It is possible for the ego (psychological " me " structure) not to operate, while all necessary body and mind functions, including working, communicating and driving a car are functioning perfectly well. Strange but true. Len Yeah, that thought actually occurred a couple of times during this discussion, but I'm not clear what that means. I understand the self defending, self reinforcing, self deceptive structure not being there and everything functioning, in fact better than it did, but there is still a 'me' that sets the intention to drive to the store, knowing there is a 'me' that will fork over some money for a quart of milk. This later 'me' is still an ego structure and is required as the reference around which these tasks occur. Am I understanding what yer saying? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: <SNIP>It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego [sic] is necessary for [Larry]to desire to eat [sic] and deficate [sic]. [Larry] eat and poop and ha very little [sic] if any [sic] ego structure [sic, sic, sic]. But [he is] fed [sic] as was the brain dead [sic] woman [sic]. [Larry,]everly [sic] mentally ill[,...]with low intelligence [,] probably recognize food and eat [sic] and even if grown ha little or minimal ego structure[sic; yeah right!]. I can say that the existence of the body, is itself, [sic] a sense of self. Body as self- aware substance [sic]. As an accumulation of cells that wants nourishment, it knows [sic], as body[sic], it needs and wants to eat to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for this to occurr [sIC]. Also consider an organism like [Larry], that has a mouth and an anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure [sic; yeah sure]. <SNIP> Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/30/2006 12:51:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:46:49 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Non-Existing Ego > It is possible for the ego (psychological " me " structure) not to > operate, while all necessary body and mind functions, including > working, communicating and driving a car are functioning perfectly > well. Strange but true. > > Len > > > > Yeah, that thought actually occurred a couple of times during this > discussion, but I'm not clear what that means. I understand the self defending, self > reinforcing, self deceptive structure not being there and everything > functioning, in fact better than it did, but there is still a 'me' that sets the > intention to drive to the store, knowing there is a 'me' that will fork over some > money for a quart of milk. > > This later 'me' is still an ego structure and is required as the reference > around which these tasks occur. Am I understanding what yer saying? > > Phil There are psychological needs of the " me " centre and there are bodily needs. The structure which takes care of bodily needs is functioning perfectly well when the structure of " me " is not there. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 In a message dated 5/1/2006 4:11:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 01 May 2006 08:16:13 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: Non-Existing Ego Nisargadatta , epston wrote: <SNIP>It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego [sic] is necessary for [Larry]to desire to eat [sic] and deficate [sic]. [Larry] eat and poop and ha very little [sic] if any [sic] ego structure [sic, sic, sic]. But [he is] fed [sic] as was the brain dead [sic] woman [sic]. [Larry,]everly [sic] mentally ill[,...]with low intelligence [,] probably recognize food and eat [sic] and even if grown ha little or minimal ego structure[sic; yeah right!]. I can say that the existence of the body, is itself, [sic] a sense of self. Body as self- aware substance [sic]. As an accumulation of cells that wants nourishment, it knows [sic], as body[sic], it needs and wants to eat to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for this to occurr [sIC]. Also consider an organism like [Larry], that has a mouth and an anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure [sic; yeah sure]. <SNIP> Larry Epston Hmmmmm, somebody seems to be on a mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 In a message dated 5/1/2006 7:48:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:38:03 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Non-Existing Ego Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/30/2006 12:51:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:46:49 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Non-Existing Ego > It is possible for the ego (psychological " me " structure) not to > operate, while all necessary body and mind functions, including > working, communicating and driving a car are functioning perfectly > well. Strange but true. > > Len > > > > Yeah, that thought actually occurred a couple of times during this > discussion, but I'm not clear what that means. I understand the self defending, self > reinforcing, self deceptive structure not being there and everything > functioning, in fact better than it did, but there is still a 'me' that sets the > intention to drive to the store, knowing there is a 'me' that will fork over some > money for a quart of milk. > > This later 'me' is still an ego structure and is required as the reference > around which these tasks occur. Am I understanding what yer saying? > > Phil There are psychological needs of the " me " centre and there are bodily needs. The structure which takes care of bodily needs is functioning perfectly well when the structure of " me " is not there. Len Yes. Took a 'look' at that yesterday, and yer right. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/1/2006 4:11:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Mon, 01 May 2006 08:16:13 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > <SNIP>It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego [sic] is necessary for > [Larry]to desire to eat [sic] and deficate [sic]. [Larry] eat and > poop and ha very little [sic] if any [sic] ego structure [sic, > sic, sic]. But [he is] fed [sic] as was the brain dead [sic] woman > [sic]. [Larry,]everly [sic] mentally ill[,...]with low intelligence > [,] probably recognize food and eat [sic] and even if grown ha > little or minimal ego structure[sic; yeah right!]. I can say that the > existence of the body, is itself, [sic] a sense of self. Body as self- > aware substance [sic]. As an accumulation of cells that wants > nourishment, it knows [sic], as body[sic], it needs and wants to eat > to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for this to occurr > [sIC]. Also consider an organism like [Larry], that has a mouth and > an anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure [sic; yeah > sure]. <SNIP> > > Larry Epston > > > > Hmmmmm, somebody seems to be on a mission. ********* This " mission " , as you put it, is a very, very tiny part of my life. Maybe 2% of it is spent scanning these posts. The rest is engaged in a plethora of activity. However, Larry does provide me with an outlet through which to vent my frustrations. For that, I thank him from the bottom of my bowels. He private e-mails me constantly, calling me an asshole. I might be an asshole but he is the putrid smelling gas that passes through me. I remain unaffected and that's all I'll say about that. And I only said so so that you know what my real purpose is in lambasting him from time to time. I don't mind his stupid e- mails. They make me laugh but don't blame me if I come back here and pick on him for my own vindictive entertainment.... Silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/1/2006 4:11:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Mon, 01 May 2006 08:16:13 -0000 > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@> > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > <SNIP>It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego [sic] is necessary > for > > [Larry]to desire to eat [sic] and deficate [sic]. [Larry] eat > and > > poop and ha very little [sic] if any [sic] ego structure > [sic, > > sic, sic]. But [he is] fed [sic] as was the brain dead [sic] > woman > > [sic]. [Larry,]everly [sic] mentally ill[,...]with low > intelligence > > [,] probably recognize food and eat [sic] and even if grown ha > > > little or minimal ego structure[sic; yeah right!]. I can say > that the > > existence of the body, is itself, [sic] a sense of self. Body as > self- > > aware substance [sic]. As an accumulation of cells that wants > > nourishment, it knows [sic], as body[sic], it needs and wants to > eat > > to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for this to > occurr > > [sIC]. Also consider an organism like [Larry], that has a mouth > and > > an anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure [sic; yeah > > sure]. <SNIP> > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm, somebody seems to be on a mission. > ********* > This " mission " , as you put it, is a very, very tiny part of my > life. Maybe 2% of it is spent scanning these posts. The rest is > engaged in a plethora of activity. > > However, Larry does provide me with an outlet through which to vent > my frustrations. For that, I thank him from the bottom of my > bowels. He private e-mails me constantly, calling me an asshole. I > might be an asshole but he is the putrid smelling gas that passes > through me. I remain unaffected and that's all I'll say about > that. And I only said so so that you know what my real purpose is > in lambasting him from time to time. I don't mind his stupid e- > mails. They make me laugh but don't blame me if I come back here > and pick on him for my own vindictive entertainment.... > > Silver > an entertainment one could do without? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 In a message dated 5/3/2006 4:52:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " silver-1069 Wed May 3, 2006 1:58am(PDT) Re: Non-Existing Ego Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/1/2006 4:11:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Mon, 01 May 2006 08:16:13 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > <SNIP>It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego [sic] is necessary for > [Larry]to desire to eat [sic] and deficate [sic]. [Larry] eat and > poop and ha very little [sic] if any [sic] ego structure [sic, > sic, sic]. But [he is] fed [sic] as was the brain dead [sic] woman > [sic]. [Larry,]everly [sic] mentally ill[,...]with low intelligence > [,] probably recognize food and eat [sic] and even if grown ha > little or minimal ego structure[sic; yeah right!]. I can say that the > existence of the body, is itself, [sic] a sense of self. Body as self- > aware substance [sic]. As an accumulation of cells that wants > nourishment, it knows [sic], as body[sic], it needs and wants to eat > to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for this to occurr > [sIC]. Also consider an organism like [Larry], that has a mouth and > an anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure [sic; yeah > sure]. <SNIP> > > Larry Epston > > > > Hmmmmm, somebody seems to be on a mission. ********* This " mission " , as you put it, is a very, very tiny part of my life. Maybe 2% of it is spent scanning these posts. The rest is engaged in a plethora of activity. However, Larry does provide me with an outlet through which to vent my frustrations. For that, I thank him from the bottom of my bowels. He private e-mails me constantly, calling me an asshole. I might be an asshole but he is the putrid smelling gas that passes through me. I remain unaffected and that's all I'll say about that. And I only said so so that you know what my real purpose is in lambasting him from time to time. I don't mind his stupid e- mails. They make me laugh but don't blame me if I come back here and pick on him for my own vindictive entertainment.... Silver Okay, between the pretenses and the ego, I'm feeling an urge to get real. Larry is a walking ego drama machine who stirs up trouble for his own entertainment and then plays victim and complains that nobody is on his side. So, why in the world would you come on a spirituality forum to feed your " vindictive entertainment " ? Email dirty words back to him or send him a letter bomb or go over to his house and play with him. What does this have to do with us? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " > <silver-1069@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/1/2006 4:11:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Mon, 01 May 2006 08:16:13 -0000 > > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@> > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > <SNIP>It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego [sic] is necessary > > for > > > [Larry]to desire to eat [sic] and deficate [sic]. [Larry] eat > > and > > > poop and ha very little [sic] if any [sic] ego structure > > [sic, > > > sic, sic]. But [he is] fed [sic] as was the brain dead [sic] > > woman > > > [sic]. [Larry,]everly [sic] mentally ill[,...]with low > > intelligence > > > [,] probably recognize food and eat [sic] and even if grown ha > > > > > little or minimal ego structure[sic; yeah right!]. I can say > > that the > > > existence of the body, is itself, [sic] a sense of self. Body as > > self- > > > aware substance [sic]. As an accumulation of cells that wants > > > nourishment, it knows [sic], as body[sic], it needs and wants to > > eat > > > to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for this to > > occurr > > > [sIC]. Also consider an organism like [Larry], that has a mouth > > and > > > an anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure [sic; yeah > > > sure]. <SNIP> > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm, somebody seems to be on a mission. > > ********* > > This " mission " , as you put it, is a very, very tiny part of my > > life. Maybe 2% of it is spent scanning these posts. The rest is > > engaged in a plethora of activity. > > > > However, Larry does provide me with an outlet through which to vent > > my frustrations. For that, I thank him from the bottom of my > > bowels. He private e-mails me constantly, calling me an asshole. I > > might be an asshole but he is the putrid smelling gas that passes > > through me. I remain unaffected and that's all I'll say about > > that. And I only said so so that you know what my real purpose is > > in lambasting him from time to time. I don't mind his stupid e- > > mails. They make me laugh but don't blame me if I come back here > > and pick on him for my own vindictive entertainment.... > > > > Silver > > > > an entertainment one could do without? ********** Of course. :-) Silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " > > <silver-1069@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/1/2006 4:11:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Mon, 01 May 2006 08:16:13 -0000 > > > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@> > > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > <SNIP>It's not clear how much brain, mind, ego [sic] is > necessary > > > for > > > > [Larry]to desire to eat [sic] and deficate [sic]. [Larry] eat > > > > and > > > > poop and ha very little [sic] if any [sic] ego > structure > > > [sic, > > > > sic, sic]. But [he is] fed [sic] as was the brain dead [sic] > > > woman > > > > [sic]. [Larry,]everly [sic] mentally ill[,...]with low > > > intelligence > > > > [,] probably recognize food and eat [sic] and even if > grown ha > > > > > > > little or minimal ego structure[sic; yeah right!]. I can say > > > that the > > > > existence of the body, is itself, [sic] a sense of self. Body > as > > > self- > > > > aware substance [sic]. As an accumulation of cells that wants > > > > nourishment, it knows [sic], as body[sic], it needs and wants > to > > > eat > > > > to survive. Very little sense of self is needed for this to > > > occurr > > > > [sIC]. Also consider an organism like [Larry], that has a > mouth > > > and > > > > an anus and lives with no recognizable ego structure [sic; > yeah > > > > sure]. <SNIP> > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm, somebody seems to be on a mission. > > > ********* > > > This " mission " , as you put it, is a very, very tiny part of my > > > life. Maybe 2% of it is spent scanning these posts. The rest > is > > > engaged in a plethora of activity. > > > > > > However, Larry does provide me with an outlet through which to > vent > > > my frustrations. For that, I thank him from the bottom of my > > > bowels. He private e-mails me constantly, calling me an > asshole. I > > > might be an asshole but he is the putrid smelling gas that > passes > > > through me. I remain unaffected and that's all I'll say about > > > that. And I only said so so that you know what my real purpose > is > > > in lambasting him from time to time. I don't mind his stupid e- > > > mails. They make me laugh but don't blame me if I come back > here > > > and pick on him for my own vindictive entertainment.... > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > an entertainment one could do without? > ********** > Of course. > > :-) > > Silver do you know how to spell e-m-a-i-l f-i-l-t-e-r? it's a marvelous technology! you know, like: messages from X go to trash bin, just like that! no fuss, no muss! and electronic version of indoor plumbing for passing ---- out of the system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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