Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:28:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:12:53 +0200 (CEST) OConnor Patricia <gdtige RE: Re: Re : Acceptance . . . --- bigwaaba <bigwaaba a écrit : Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > started to read U G Krishnamurti. > Has anyone else read him here? > I got one of his book a lllong time ago, there was > something about him that made me really uneasy, my > intestines got in a knot yet I forced myself to read > him. Same reaction today. There is something I don`t > go with. And his portrait gives me the shivers. > Instincts are waving a red flag. > Yet, I like some of the stuff I read last night. > I am going to push it and then will try to understand > what bothers me so much about him. I rarely have such > reactions, very very rarely.. > Patricia > > > Hi Patricia, i read something about U.G. let me know about it... well, you are not supposed to like what he says, or his face,mm?!? And why not?? What emanates from this face makes me quizzy. P I love that face. It's unyielding, and his eyes leave you with nowhere to hide. His eyes say, 'You might as well give up, the Truth is going to win sooner or later'. BTW, haven't read any more of him than what has been posted here and a book I read 30 years ago and remember nothing about, but I know that face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 In a message dated 4/14/2006 2:48:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:45:59 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Re : Acceptance . . . Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > yes... the sense that one has *real* feelings > that are *one's own* is a powerful illusion And the idea that those feelings aren´t one´s own is even more powerful ;-) Len I seriously question the path of calling anything not the Self in the hopes of recognizing everything as the Self. There's value in recognizing the illusion of false identity, but this illusion is not other than the Self, it arises from the Self, and is contained within the Self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/14/2006 2:48:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:45:59 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Re : Acceptance . . . > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > yes... the sense that one has *real* feelings > > that are *one's own* is a powerful illusion > > > And the idea that those feelings aren´t one´s own > is even more powerful ;-) > > Len > > > > > I seriously question the path of calling anything not the Self in the hopes > of recognizing everything as the Self. This is the movement of separation in " me " and " not me " , the usual ego movement, disguised as spirituality. > There's value in recognizing the > illusion of false identity, but this illusion is not other than the Self, it arises > from the Self, and is contained within the Self. And after the illusion has been recognized as illusion there is no need to call it anything at all, because it´s gone. One cannot cut anything off through definitions, things either are there or not. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/14/2006 2:48:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:45:59 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: Re : Acceptance . . . > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > yes... the sense that one has *real* feelings > > > that are *one's own* is a powerful illusion > > > > > > And the idea that those feelings aren´t one´s own > > is even more powerful ;-) > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > I seriously question the path of calling anything not the Self in > the hopes > > of recognizing everything as the Self. > > > > This is the movement of separation in " me " and " not me " , the usual > ego movement, disguised as spirituality. > > > > > There's value in recognizing the > > illusion of false identity, but this illusion is not other than > the Self, it arises > > from the Self, and is contained within the Self. > > > > And after the illusion has been recognized as illusion there is no > need to call it anything at all, because it´s gone. One cannot cut > anything off through definitions, things either are there or not. > > Len > re: And after the illusion has been recognized as illusion there is no need to call it anything at all, ~~~~~~~ Yes recognition alone will suffice... calling anything anything is not what matters if anything is ego it is that which " calls things " this n' that so it is not *identifying* anything *as* anything that matters but the very function of " calling " ... that is well called into question. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 11:15:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:51:15 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Re: Re : Acceptance . . . Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > I found out that... underneath... > > > > > > > > > > > > I was always Empty... > > > > > > > > > > > > and, always Same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even when I *thought* I had *real*... > > > > > > feelings... > > > > > > > > yes... the sense that one has *real* feelings > > > > that are *one's own* is a powerful illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, I found out... that any of it > > > > > > really didn't really matter to me [the > > > > > > inner me... which I found to remain > > > > > > totally untouched, unaffected by any > > > > > > and all of it]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further, I found out... > > > > > > > > > > > > that, once I started seeing the > > > > > > __Reality__ as it Is... > > > > > > > > > > > > once, I started looking really deep > > > > > > into it... > > > > > > > > > > > > once, I started paying attention to > > > > > > ___What Is__ that which is Now... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started looking at my wife in the > > > > > > way that I have not looked before... > > > > > > > > > > > > I started discovering the beauty of the > > > > > > mountains, trees behind the gate as I > > > > > > waited for the complex gate to open... > > > > > > > > > > > > I discovered the beauty of the > > > > > > clouds and delicacies of the falling > > > > > > rain drops whereas, before, I thought > > > > > > rain in April was just annoying... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visiting the shopping mall, > > > > > > I discovered the color, beauty and > > > > > > pattern on floor carpets... that I had > > > > > > never seen... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > But, most important thing that I discovered > > > > > that there is no real substance behind what > > > > > feelings [without the *thoughts* that I have > > > > > about people, things or situations]... > > > > > > > > > > and, now that I discovered that when I go > > > > > within... I find... no thoughts [and as such > > > > > no *real* *root* for the feelings]... > > > > > > > > > > I know, that the [mental] 'bondage' is always > > > > > only a 'surface condition' caused by erroneous > > > > > thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > underneath always remain free of thoughts > > > > > and, as a result of... free of everything... > > > > > > > > > > and, once I realize that... I know that I have > > > > > freedom to think the way I want! > > > > > > > > no correct/incorrect when a matrix of thought > > > > is not what governs... > > > > > > > > > [ ...and, it IS only my *thinking* that create > > > > > the [mental] world I live in... ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > and when the " mental world " is no more > > > > because immersed in Now how can it be > > > > there is no world at all > > > > as Now is not a world > > > > > > > > Now is a simultaneity of livingness > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a concept of ego, > > Speak for your self! > > > > Ahhh... but I guess you are... > > > > Bill > > > > You wish! > But no, I´m speaking about the non-owner of his feelings, who´s > hiding in Now, now ;-) > > len > You're not the mind-reader you think! No I don't wish. I don't care. I care not about anyone's opinion, not yours, not that of anyone of this list, not even my own. So why do you persist in wanting to share yours? If it is not for your own satisfaction, that it is certainly pointless, yes? Or do you actually believe you are talking to someone *else*? Bill ...........Says the ego who pretends to not believe he's talking to someone else............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 1:46:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > There is a concept of ego, > >>Speak for your self! > > > > >>Ahhh... but I guess you are... > >> > > >Bill > > > > > > > >You wish! > >But no, I´m speaking about the non-owner of his feelings, who´s > >hiding in Now, now ;-) > > > >len > > > > You're not the mind-reader you think! > No I don't wish. > I don't care. > I care not about anyone's opinion, > not yours, not that of anyone of this > list, not even my own. > > So why do you persist in wanting to > share yours? > If it is not for your own satisfaction, > that it is certainly pointless, yes? > > Or do you actually believe you are talking > to someone *else*? > > > Bill > > > > ..........Says the ego who pretends to not believe he's talking to someone > else............. > > L.E: ....Says the being who has no beliefs and knows he is talking to no one but himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 1:55:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:57:08 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Re : Acceptance . . . Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > and when the " mental world " is no more > > > > > because immersed in Now how can it be > > > > > there is no world at all > > > > > as Now is not a world > > > > > > > > > > Now is a simultaneity of livingness > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a concept of ego, > > > Speak for your self! > > > > > > Ahhh... but I guess you are... > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > You wish! > > But no, I´m speaking about the non-owner of his feelings, who´s > > hiding in Now, now ;-) > > > > len > > > > You're not the mind-reader you think! > No I don't wish. > I don't care. > I care not about anyone's opinion, > not yours, not that of anyone of this > list, not even my own. > > So why do you persist in wanting to > share yours? > If it is not for your own satisfaction, > that it is certainly pointless, yes? > > Or do you actually believe you are talking > to someone *else*? > > > Bill I was trying to talk to you, but suddenly you immersed in Now and were no more. You left me in tears, how could you? Len Okay, Bill, see if Len ever does your laundry for you again. Shame on you! Cad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 2:58:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > So why do you persist in wanting to > >share yours? > >If it is not for your own satisfaction, > >that it is certainly pointless, yes? > > > >Or do you actually believe you are talking > >to someone *else*? > > > > > > Bill > > > > I was trying to talk to you, but suddenly you immersed in Now and > were no more. > You left me in tears, how could you? > > Len > > > Okay, Bill, see if Len ever does your laundry for you again. Shame on you! > Cad! > Phil L.E: Phil, you and Len ARE the laundry. Perhaps a good sudsing will wash away your false thinking. Larry E > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:44:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:42:46 EDT epston Re: Acceptance . . . In a message dated 4/15/2006 2:58:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > So why do you persist in wanting to > >share yours? > >If it is not for your own satisfaction, > >that it is certainly pointless, yes? > > > >Or do you actually believe you are talking > >to someone *else*? > > > > > > Bill > > > > I was trying to talk to you, but suddenly you immersed in Now and > were no more. > You left me in tears, how could you? > > Len > > > Okay, Bill, see if Len ever does your laundry for you again. Shame on you! > Cad! > Phil L.E: Phil, you and Len ARE the laundry. Perhaps a good sudsing will wash away your false thinking. Larry E Have ya ever tried the spin cycle, Larry? WooooHooooo!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 L.E: Phil, you and Len ARE the laundry. Perhaps a good sudsing will wash away your false thinking. Larry E Phiil: Have ya ever tried the spin cycle, Larry? WooooHooooo!!!! L.E: If you think that will help you, I'd be happy to try it. How long do you want me to leave you guys in there? Larry E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 In a message dated 4/16/2006 8:55:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:51:18 EDT epston Re: Acceptance . . . L.E: Phil, you and Len ARE the laundry. Perhaps a good sudsing will wash away your false thinking. Larry E Phiil: Have ya ever tried the spin cycle, Larry? WooooHooooo!!!! L.E: If you think that will help you, I'd be happy to try it. How long do you want me to leave you guys in there? Larry E. Until we stop yelling, " WooooHoooo!! " and get really quiet.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:23:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > > In a message dated 4/16/2006 8:55:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:51:18 EDT > epston > Re: Acceptance . . . > > L.E: Phil, you and Len ARE the laundry. Perhaps a good sudsing will wash > away your false thinking. > > Larry E > > Phiil: Have ya ever tried the spin cycle, Larry? WooooHooooo!!!! > > L.E: If you think that will help you, I'd be happy to try it. How long do > you > want me to leave you guys in there? > > Larry E. > > Phil " Until we stop yelling, " WooooHoooo!! " and get really quiet.......... > > L.E: I think that would use too much electricity to be practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:23:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB writes: > > > > > In a message dated 4/16/2006 8:55:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:51:18 EDT > > epston > > Re: Acceptance . . . > > > > L.E: Phil, you and Len ARE the laundry. Perhaps a good sudsing will wash > > away your false thinking. > > > > Larry E > > > > Phiil: Have ya ever tried the spin cycle, Larry? WooooHooooo!!!! > > > > L.E: If you think that will help you, I'd be happy to try it. How long do > > you > > want me to leave you guys in there? > > > > Larry E. > > > > Phil " Until we stop yelling, " WooooHoooo!! " and get really quiet.......... > > > > L.E: I think that would use too much electricity to be practical. > > Oh bullshit you dumbass. bob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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