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In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:12:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> >L.E: How strange to personify the ego this way. Here we have the

> ego or self choosing what is attractive and what is not attractive. Ego:

> Wow!

> I like that so i'll let it in, and No! That idea and experience is

> unattractive so I'll just ignore it and keep it out and away from the real

> Len who is

> in there waiting for me, ego, to bring him information. Absurd!

> >

> >Larry Epston

>

>

> Yes, too absurd to be true, isn´t it ;-)

>

> Len

>

>

> L.E: Yes, either absurd or mental illness or a diseased ego if that is

> possible.

 

If the brain is diseased, will the mind and ego reflect it?

If the mind is diseased will the brain or ego/self reflect it?

Hard to say. I'd guess yes. I think the physical disease of the brain, the

electrical energy of mind, and the interference patterns that form of the ego

can all be diseased.

The question then immerges, what is the normal functioning of each part if

that can be determined? I suppose the norm is fitting into the social

environment the human organism lives in, no matter how strange that environment

my

appear from the outside. More normal fits in and less normal doesn't. That guy

who became a christian in Afganistan and was condemmed to death was less normal

than those who fit in. They say he is insane and finally agreed to let him

go to Italy rather than kill him for apostay(?) In this sense " normal " for the

mind and ego is very relative to the culture, but remember, it is just a

word.

 

Larry Epston

 

>

>

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:34:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:34:09 EDT

epston

Re: The Ego As Split

 

In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:12:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> >L.E: How strange to personify the ego this way. Here we have the

> ego or self choosing what is attractive and what is not attractive. Ego:

> Wow!

> I like that so i'll let it in, and No! That idea and experience is

> unattractive so I'll just ignore it and keep it out and away from the real

> Len who is

> in there waiting for me, ego, to bring him information. Absurd!

> >

> >Larry Epston

>

>

> Yes, too absurd to be true, isn´t it ;-)

>

> Len

>

>

> L.E: Yes, either absurd or mental illness or a diseased ego if that is

> possible.

 

If the brain is diseased, will the mind and ego reflect it?

If the mind is diseased will the brain or ego/self reflect it?

Hard to say. I'd guess yes. I think the physical disease of the brain, the

electrical energy of mind, and the interference patterns that form of the

ego

can all be diseased.

The question then immerges, what is the normal functioning of each part if

that can be determined? I suppose the norm is fitting into the social

environment the human organism lives in, no matter how strange that

environment my

appear from the outside. More normal fits in and less normal doesn't. That

guy

who became a christian in Afganistan and was condemmed to death was less

normal

than those who fit in. They say he is insane and finally agreed to let him

go to Italy rather than kill him for apostay(?) In this sense " normal " for

the

mind and ego is very relative to the culture, but remember, it is just a

word.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

So now, Len and I have diseased brains? Heheeee.

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:34:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:34:09 EDT

> epston

> Re: The Ego As Split

>

> In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:12:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> lissbon2002 writes:

>

> > >L.E: How strange to personify the ego this way. Here we have

the

> > ego or self choosing what is attractive and what is not

attractive. Ego:

> > Wow!

> > I like that so i'll let it in, and No! That idea and

experience is

> > unattractive so I'll just ignore it and keep it out and away

from the real

> > Len who is

> > in there waiting for me, ego, to bring him information. Absurd!

> > >

> > >Larry Epston

> >

> >

> > Yes, too absurd to be true, isn´t it ;-)

> >

> > Len

> >

> >

> > L.E: Yes, either absurd or mental illness or a diseased ego if

that is

> > possible.

>

> If the brain is diseased, will the mind and ego reflect it?

> If the mind is diseased will the brain or ego/self reflect it?

> Hard to say. I'd guess yes. I think the physical disease of the

brain, the

> electrical energy of mind, and the interference patterns that

form of the

> ego

> can all be diseased.

> The question then immerges, what is the normal functioning of

each part if

> that can be determined? I suppose the norm is fitting into the

social

> environment the human organism lives in, no matter how strange

that

> environment my

> appear from the outside. More normal fits in and less normal

doesn't. That

> guy

> who became a christian in Afganistan and was condemmed to death

was less

> normal

> than those who fit in. They say he is insane and finally agreed

to let him

> go to Italy rather than kill him for apostay(?) In this

sense " normal " for

> the

> mind and ego is very relative to the culture, but remember, it is

just a

> word.

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

>

> So now, Len and I have diseased brains? Heheeee.

 

 

 

 

Is this what Larry said?

You seem to be able to make some sense from his messages and often

even respond to it in a meaningful way.

While the only thing my brain seem to be able to produce as response

is like: Oh Gee!

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:34:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:34:09 EDT

> > epston@

> > Re: The Ego As Split

> >

> > In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:12:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > lissbon2002@ writes:

> >

> > > >L.E: How strange to personify the ego this way. Here we have

> the

> > > ego or self choosing what is attractive and what is not

> attractive. Ego:

> > > Wow!

> > > I like that so i'll let it in, and No! That idea and

> experience is

> > > unattractive so I'll just ignore it and keep it out and away

> from the real

> > > Len who is

> > > in there waiting for me, ego, to bring him information.

Absurd!

> > > >

> > > >Larry Epston

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, too absurd to be true, isn´t it ;-)

> > >

> > > Len

> > >

> > >

> > > L.E: Yes, either absurd or mental illness or a diseased ego if

> that is

> > > possible.

> >

> > If the brain is diseased, will the mind and ego reflect it?

> > If the mind is diseased will the brain or ego/self reflect it?

> > Hard to say. I'd guess yes. I think the physical disease of

the

> brain, the

> > electrical energy of mind, and the interference patterns that

> form of the

> > ego

> > can all be diseased.

> > The question then immerges, what is the normal functioning of

> each part if

> > that can be determined? I suppose the norm is fitting into the

> social

> > environment the human organism lives in, no matter how strange

> that

> > environment my

> > appear from the outside. More normal fits in and less normal

> doesn't. That

> > guy

> > who became a christian in Afganistan and was condemmed to death

> was less

> > normal

> > than those who fit in. They say he is insane and finally agreed

> to let him

> > go to Italy rather than kill him for apostay(?) In this

> sense " normal " for

> > the

> > mind and ego is very relative to the culture, but remember, it is

> just a

> > word.

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> >

> >

> > So now, Len and I have diseased brains? Heheeee.

>

>

>

>

> Is this what Larry said?

> You seem to be able to make some sense from his messages and often

> even respond to it in a meaningful way.

> While the only thing my brain seem to be able to produce as

response

> is like: Oh Gee!

>

> Len

 

> Len..you've noticed too eh? His words of wisdom baffle and flummox

the wisest of any and all on earth. Legendary discombobulations and

tintabulations are heard daily from the empty bell that is his head.

Ring-a-ling, Ding-a-ling Larry challanges the world.

Bang..Zoom...Right to the Moon Alice in Wonderland L.E. is second to

none! Just exactly what for....I dunno?

;-)))

......bob

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In a message dated 4/15/2006 7:33:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:19:57 -0000

" lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

Re: The Ego As Split

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:34:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:34:09 EDT

> epston

> Re: The Ego As Split

>

> In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:12:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> lissbon2002 writes:

>

> > >L.E: How strange to personify the ego this way. Here we have

the

> > ego or self choosing what is attractive and what is not

attractive. Ego:

> > Wow!

> > I like that so i'll let it in, and No! That idea and

experience is

> > unattractive so I'll just ignore it and keep it out and away

from the real

> > Len who is

> > in there waiting for me, ego, to bring him information. Absurd!

> > >

> > >Larry Epston

> >

> >

> > Yes, too absurd to be true, isn´t it ;-)

> >

> > Len

> >

> >

> > L.E: Yes, either absurd or mental illness or a diseased ego if

that is

> > possible.

>

> If the brain is diseased, will the mind and ego reflect it?

> If the mind is diseased will the brain or ego/self reflect it?

> Hard to say. I'd guess yes. I think the physical disease of the

brain, the

> electrical energy of mind, and the interference patterns that

form of the

> ego

> can all be diseased.

> The question then immerges, what is the normal functioning of

each part if

> that can be determined? I suppose the norm is fitting into the

social

> environment the human organism lives in, no matter how strange

that

> environment my

> appear from the outside. More normal fits in and less normal

doesn't. That

> guy

> who became a christian in Afganistan and was condemmed to death

was less

> normal

> than those who fit in. They say he is insane and finally agreed

to let him

> go to Italy rather than kill him for apostay(?) In this

sense " normal " for

> the

> mind and ego is very relative to the culture, but remember, it is

just a

> word.

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

>

> So now, Len and I have diseased brains? Heheeee.

 

 

 

 

Is this what Larry said?

You seem to be able to make some sense from his messages and often

even respond to it in a meaningful way.

While the only thing my brain seem to be able to produce as response

is like: Oh Gee!

 

Len

 

 

 

Well, I think that was the implication but I'm not really sure.

To me, Larry has latched onto the useful idea of just letting everything be

what it is, which might be one area where his beliefs and mine intersect. As a

result, he doesn't look for anything that's not already present, because

this looks like not letting things be the way they are. This is one of the ways

ego distorts concepts for it's own use.

 

The problem with that is that the limiting beliefs that are already held are

never challenged, and so the boundaries that these beliefs create on

awareness are held in place. Thoughts and feelings and motivations and fears

are

never looked at and so all manner of unconscious ego processes can continue to

create judgment and struggle and misunderstanding and projection and none of

it can ever change. He doesn't believe change (evolution) is good or useful or

even possible, and he doesn't believe anything is occurring in his own mind

that isn't obvious, or if there is, it can't be found, and so why look.

Basically, the whole belief system is geared toward stagnation.

 

Not taking responsibility for the self can have a freeing aspect in which

everything can just be let go in the good times when none of these limitations

and ego triggers come into play, and so I do believe he experiences some

wonderful moments of presence in which all things are just allowed to be what

they are. However, my guess is that these moments are fragile and short lived,

and something soon comes along to rock him out of that blissful state cause

most of his life is perceived as happening to him rather than arising out of

his own perception.

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/15/2006 12:10:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> >Well, I think that was the implication but I'm not really sure.

> >To me, Larry has latched onto the useful idea of just letting

> everything be

> >what it is, which might be one area where his beliefs and mine

> intersect. As a

> > result, he doesn't look for anything that's not already present,

> because

> >this looks like not letting things be the way they are. This is

> one of the ways

> >ego distorts concepts for it's own use.

> >

> >The problem with that is that the limiting beliefs that are already

> held are

> >never challenged, and so the boundaries that these beliefs create

> on

> >awareness are held in place. Thoughts and feelings and motivations

> and fears are

> >never looked at and so all manner of unconscious ego processes can

> continue to

> >create judgment and struggle and misunderstanding and projection

> and none of

> >it can ever change. He doesn't believe change (evolution) is good

> or useful or

> >even possible, and he doesn't believe anything is occurring in his

> own mind

> >that isn't obvious, or if there is, it can't be found, and so why

> look.

> >Basically, the whole belief system is geared toward stagnation.

> >

> >Not taking responsibility for the self can have a freeing aspect in

> which

> >everything can just be let go in the good times when none of these

> limitations

> >and ego triggers come into play, and so I do believe he experiences

> some

> >wonderful moments of presence in which all things are just allowed

> to be what

> >they are.

>

>

>

> I'm sure he has some blissful moments, while having a pizza and a

> cold beer on a sofa, in front of television. I've had some of those

> wonderful moments too, when everything was just perfect, including

> the cheese on top of the pizza :-)

>

> Len

>

>

>

> >However, my guess is that these moments are fragile and short

> lived,

> >and something soon comes along to rock him out of that blissful

> state cause

> >most of his life is perceived as happening to him rather than

> arising out of

> >his own perception.

> >

 

L.E: To me, beliefs have to be consciously and purposely advocated. I don't

think there are unconscious or hidden beliefs so I disagree with much of your

whole premise of reality. As I have said, you and Len seem to live in a myth

rather than in a shared reality. Just as christians live in their myths, and

muslims live in theirs and Jews are deeply involved in a fantasyland of

mythology, you and Len also live in a mythic world of ideas, some of which are

shared, which doesn't make them true, and related emotions that are sometimes

mocking and sarcastic and unkind.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/15/2006 1:55:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:10:37 -0000

" lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

Re: The Ego As Split

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

 

 

> Well, I think that was the implication but I'm not really sure.

> To me, Larry has latched onto the useful idea of just letting

everything be

> what it is, which might be one area where his beliefs and mine

intersect. As a

> result, he doesn't look for anything that's not already present,

because

> this looks like not letting things be the way they are. This is

one of the ways

> ego distorts concepts for it's own use.

>

> The problem with that is that the limiting beliefs that are already

held are

> never challenged, and so the boundaries that these beliefs create

on

> awareness are held in place. Thoughts and feelings and motivations

and fears are

> never looked at and so all manner of unconscious ego processes can

continue to

> create judgment and struggle and misunderstanding and projection

and none of

> it can ever change. He doesn't believe change (evolution) is good

or useful or

> even possible, and he doesn't believe anything is occurring in his

own mind

> that isn't obvious, or if there is, it can't be found, and so why

look.

> Basically, the whole belief system is geared toward stagnation.

>

> Not taking responsibility for the self can have a freeing aspect in

which

> everything can just be let go in the good times when none of these

limitations

> and ego triggers come into play, and so I do believe he experiences

some

> wonderful moments of presence in which all things are just allowed

to be what

> they are.

 

 

 

I'm sure he has some blissful moments, while having a pizza and a

cold beer on a sofa, in front of television. I've had some of those

wonderful moments too, when everything was just perfect, including

the cheese on top of the pizza :-)

 

Len

 

 

 

 

Pepperoni with extra cheese. Mmmm, perfection!

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

 

 

> Well, I think that was the implication but I'm not really sure.

> To me, Larry has latched onto the useful idea of just letting

everything be

> what it is, which might be one area where his beliefs and mine

intersect. As a

> result, he doesn't look for anything that's not already present,

because

> this looks like not letting things be the way they are. This is

one of the ways

> ego distorts concepts for it's own use.

>

> The problem with that is that the limiting beliefs that are already

held are

> never challenged, and so the boundaries that these beliefs create

on

> awareness are held in place. Thoughts and feelings and motivations

and fears are

> never looked at and so all manner of unconscious ego processes can

continue to

> create judgment and struggle and misunderstanding and projection

and none of

> it can ever change. He doesn't believe change (evolution) is good

or useful or

> even possible, and he doesn't believe anything is occurring in his

own mind

> that isn't obvious, or if there is, it can't be found, and so why

look.

> Basically, the whole belief system is geared toward stagnation.

>

> Not taking responsibility for the self can have a freeing aspect in

which

> everything can just be let go in the good times when none of these

limitations

> and ego triggers come into play, and so I do believe he experiences

some

> wonderful moments of presence in which all things are just allowed

to be what

> they are.

 

 

 

I'm sure he has some blissful moments, while having a pizza and a

cold beer on a sofa, in front of television. I've had some of those

wonderful moments too, when everything was just perfect, including

the cheese on top of the pizza :-)

 

Len

 

 

 

> However, my guess is that these moments are fragile and short

lived,

> and something soon comes along to rock him out of that blissful

state cause

> most of his life is perceived as happening to him rather than

arising out of

> his own perception.

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 4/15/2006 3:01:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB

writes:

 

> I do believe he experiences

> some

> >wonderful moments of presence in which all things are just allowed

> to be what

> > they are.

>

>

>

> I'm sure he has some blissful moments, while having a pizza and a

> cold beer on a sofa, in front of television. I've had some of those

> wonderful moments too, when everything was just perfect, including

> the cheese on top of the pizza :-)

>

> Len

>

>

> Phil: Pepperoni with extra cheese. Mmmm, perfection!

>

>

L.E: You wouldn't recognize perfection if it hit you in the face. You'd say

its just another concept and a hidden trick of the ego that's out to get you.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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