Question for Werner ( regarding spiritual Energy).

[Guest guest]

Dear Werner:

 

I remember reading your message on NDP

in which, you talked about attending

several meetings with JK and often

seated very close to him.

 

 

Many people* that I know [including

myself] claim to experience very

noticeable spiritual/psychic energy

around certain souls like JK, Ramana...

 

 

I am eager to know if you experienced

anything like that around JK?

 

If yes...

I would like to hear your experience

[and its possible explanation] in some

detail.

 

With warm regards,

ac.

 

 

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* Listening to Krishnamurti speak was

like eating a sandwich made of bread

and sand. I found the best way to

enjoy his talks was to completely

ignore his words and quietly absorb his

presence. Using that technique I would

become so expanded after a lecture that

I could barely talk for hours

afterwards. J. Krishnamurti, while

fully enlightened and uniquely lovable,

will be recorded in history as a

teacher with very poor verbal

communication skills.

 

....

 

Skeptics ask how I can claim that

Rajneesh was enlightened given his

scandals and disastrous public image.

I can only say that Rajneesh's

spiritual presence was identical to

that of J. Krishnamurti, who was

recognized as enlightened by every high

Tibetan Lama and revered Hindu sage of

the day. I do sympathize with the

skeptics, however. If I had not known

Rajneesh personally, I would never

believe it myself.

 

....

 

Mr. Milne suggests that Rajneesh used

" hypnosis " to manipulate his disciples.

Rajneesh had a melodic and naturally

hypnotic voice which would be a great

asset to any public speaker. In my

opinion, however, Rajneesh's power came

from the intense energy field of the

universal cosmic consciousness which he

channeled like a lens. Hindus call

this universal energy phenomena the

Atman. As a Westerner, I prefer more

scientific terms and describe the Atman

as a highly evolved manifestation of

time-energy-space, the TES

 

....

 

Whatever term you use for the

phenomena of enlightenment, it is

scientifically accurate to say that no

human being has any power of their own.

Even the chemical energy of our

metabolism is borrowed from the sun,

which beams light to the earth, which

is then converted by plants through

photosynthesis into the food we eat.

You may get your bread from the

supermarket, but the caloric energy it

contains originated from thermonuclear

reactions deep in the center of a

nearby star. Our physical bodies run

on star power. Any " spiritual " energy

we channel also comes from far beyond,

from all sides of the universe, from

the complete TES, from beyond the

oceans of galaxies and onto infinity.

No human being owns the Atman and no

one can speak for the TES.

 

The Void has no ambition or

personality whatsoever, so Rajneesh

could only speak for his own animal

mind. The animal mind may want its

disciples to " take over the whole

world, " but the Void does not care,

because it is beyond any motivation.

The phenomena we called Rajneesh,

Bhagwan, and Osho, was only a temporary

lens of cosmic energy, not the full

cosmos itself.

 

Rajneesh, as the Greek-Armenian

mystic George Gurdjieff (see photo of

Gurdjieff), often used the power of the

Atman for clearly personal gain. Both

men used their cosmic consciousness to

overwhelm and seduce women, which was

largely a harmless affair in my

opinion. Gurdjieff was ashamed of his

own behavior in this regard and vowed

many times during his life to end this

practice, which was a combination of

ordinary male lust backed up by the

potent advantage of oceanic super-

mental power. Rajneesh went even

further and used his channeled cosmic

energy to manipulate masses of people

to gain a kind of quasi-political

status and to aggrandize himself far

beyond what was honest or helpful to

his disciples. In Oregon, Rajneesh

declared to the media that " My religion

is the only religion! " Diplomacy and

modesty were not his strong points.

....

 

Rajneesh had much inside him that I

wanted: light, energy, and a vastly

expanded state of being.

 

....

 

From

http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html