Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 --- Arvind <adithya_comming a écrit : Dear Werner: I remember reading your message on NDP in which, you talked about attending several meetings with JK and often seated very close to him. Many people* that I know [including myself] claim to experience very noticeable spiritual/psychic energy around certain souls like JK, Ramana... I am eager to know if you experienced anything like that around JK? If yes... I would like to hear your experience [and its possible explanation] in some detail. With warm regards, ac. ---- * Listening to Krishnamurti speak was like eating a sandwich made of bread and sand. I found the best way to enjoy his talks was to completely ignore his words and quietly absorb his presence. Using that technique I would become so expanded after a lecture that I could barely talk for hours afterwards. J. Krishnamurti, while fully enlightened and uniquely lovable, will be recorded in history as a teacher with very poor verbal communication skills. .... Skeptics ask how I can claim that Rajneesh was enlightened given his scandals and disastrous public image. I can only say that Rajneesh's spiritual presence was identical to that of J. Krishnamurti, who was recognized as enlightened by every high Tibetan Lama and revered Hindu sage of the day. I do sympathize with the skeptics, however. If I had not known Rajneesh personally, I would never believe it myself. .... Mr. Milne suggests that Rajneesh used " hypnosis " to manipulate his disciples. Rajneesh had a melodic and naturally hypnotic voice which would be a great asset to any public speaker. In my opinion, however, Rajneesh's power came from the intense energy field of the universal cosmic consciousness which he channeled like a lens. Hindus call this universal energy phenomena the Atman. As a Westerner, I prefer more scientific terms and describe the Atman as a highly evolved manifestation of time-energy-space, the TES .... Whatever term you use for the phenomena of enlightenment, it is scientifically accurate to say that no human being has any power of their own. Even the chemical energy of our metabolism is borrowed from the sun, which beams light to the earth, which is then converted by plants through photosynthesis into the food we eat. You may get your bread from the supermarket, but the caloric energy it contains originated from thermonuclear reactions deep in the center of a nearby star. Our physical bodies run on star power. Any " spiritual " energy we channel also comes from far beyond, from all sides of the universe, from the complete TES, from beyond the oceans of galaxies and onto infinity. No human being owns the Atman and no one can speak for the TES. The Void has no ambition or personality whatsoever, so Rajneesh could only speak for his own animal mind. The animal mind may want its disciples to " take over the whole world, " but the Void does not care, because it is beyond any motivation. The phenomena we called Rajneesh, Bhagwan, and Osho, was only a temporary lens of cosmic energy, not the full cosmos itself. Rajneesh, as the Greek-Armenian mystic George Gurdjieff (see photo of Gurdjieff), often used the power of the Atman for clearly personal gain. Both men used their cosmic consciousness to overwhelm and seduce women, which was largely a harmless affair in my opinion. Gurdjieff was ashamed of his own behavior in this regard and vowed many times during his life to end this practice, which was a combination of ordinary male lust backed up by the potent advantage of oceanic super- mental power. Rajneesh went even further and used his channeled cosmic energy to manipulate masses of people to gain a kind of quasi-political status and to aggrandize himself far beyond what was honest or helpful to his disciples. In Oregon, Rajneesh declared to the media that " My religion is the only religion! " Diplomacy and modesty were not his strong points. .... Rajneesh had much inside him that I wanted: light, energy, and a vastly expanded state of being. .... From http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html <<Even the chemical energy of our metabolism is borrowed from the sun, which beams light to the earth, which is then converted by plants through photosynthesis into the food we eat. You may get your bread from the supermarket, but the caloric energy it contains originated from thermonuclear reactions deep in the center of a nearby star. Our physical bodies run on star power.>> we are what the stars are made of... " or " every element in a human body is also found in a star " ..not all stars have all elements, but there are enough stars, in various states of development, that the statement is made true. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/14/2006 9:33:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:37:26 +0200 (CEST) OConnor Patricia <gdtige RE: star energy ( regarding " spiritual " Energy). --- Arvind <adithya_comming a écrit : Dear Werner: I remember reading your message on NDP in which, you talked about attending several meetings with JK and often seated very close to him. Many people* that I know [including myself] claim to experience very noticeable spiritual/psychic energy around certain souls like JK, Ramana... I am eager to know if you experienced anything like that around JK? If yes... I would like to hear your experience [and its possible explanation] in some detail. With warm regards, ac. ---- * Listening to Krishnamurti speak was like eating a sandwich made of bread and sand. I found the best way to enjoy his talks was to completely ignore his words and quietly absorb his presence. Using that technique I would become so expanded after a lecture that I could barely talk for hours afterwards. J. Krishnamurti, while fully enlightened and uniquely lovable, will be recorded in history as a teacher with very poor verbal communication skills. .... Skeptics ask how I can claim that Rajneesh was enlightened given his scandals and disastrous public image. I can only say that Rajneesh's spiritual presence was identical to that of J. Krishnamurti, who was recognized as enlightened by every high Tibetan Lama and revered Hindu sage of the day. I do sympathize with the skeptics, however. If I had not known Rajneesh personally, I would never believe it myself. .... Mr. Milne suggests that Rajneesh used " hypnosis " to manipulate his disciples. Rajneesh had a melodic and naturally hypnotic voice which would be a great asset to any public speaker. In my opinion, however, Rajneesh's power came from the intense energy field of the universal cosmic consciousness which he channeled like a lens. Hindus call this universal energy phenomena the Atman. As a Westerner, I prefer more scientific terms and describe the Atman as a highly evolved manifestation of time-energy-space, the TES .... Whatever term you use for the phenomena of enlightenment, it is scientifically accurate to say that no human being has any power of their own. Even the chemical energy of our metabolism is borrowed from the sun, which beams light to the earth, which is then converted by plants through photosynthesis into the food we eat. You may get your bread from the supermarket, but the caloric energy it contains originated from thermonuclear reactions deep in the center of a nearby star. Our physical bodies run on star power. Any " spiritual " energy we channel also comes from far beyond, from all sides of the universe, from the complete TES, from beyond the oceans of galaxies and onto infinity. No human being owns the Atman and no one can speak for the TES. The Void has no ambition or personality whatsoever, so Rajneesh could only speak for his own animal mind. The animal mind may want its disciples to " take over the whole world, " but the Void does not care, because it is beyond any motivation. The phenomena we called Rajneesh, Bhagwan, and Osho, was only a temporary lens of cosmic energy, not the full cosmos itself. Rajneesh, as the Greek-Armenian mystic George Gurdjieff (see photo of Gurdjieff), often used the power of the Atman for clearly personal gain. Both men used their cosmic consciousness to overwhelm and seduce women, which was largely a harmless affair in my opinion. Gurdjieff was ashamed of his own behavior in this regard and vowed many times during his life to end this practice, which was a combination of ordinary male lust backed up by the potent advantage of oceanic super- mental power. Rajneesh went even further and used his channeled cosmic energy to manipulate masses of people to gain a kind of quasi-political status and to aggrandize himself far beyond what was honest or helpful to his disciples. In Oregon, Rajneesh declared to the media that " My religion is the only religion! " Diplomacy and modesty were not his strong points. .... Rajneesh had much inside him that I wanted: light, energy, and a vastly expanded state of being. .... From http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html <<Even the chemical energy of our metabolism is borrowed from the sun, which beams light to the earth, which is then converted by plants through photosynthesis into the food we eat. You may get your bread from the supermarket, but the caloric energy it contains originated from thermonuclear reactions deep in the center of a nearby star. Our physical bodies run on star power.>> we are what the stars are made of... " or " every element in a human body is also found in a star " ..not all stars have all elements, but there are enough stars, in various states of development, that the statement is made true. Patricia You and I are the stars, Patricia, and the heavens that hold them. It's our wonder that made them and keeps them shining still. A world without wonder is a starless sky. It may not be scientific but part of you knows this is so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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