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[Guest guest]

Excerpt from webpage:

 

Sir Arthur Eddington [is a] physicist who was famous for producing a

nearly incomprehensible unified field theory, which purportedly

unified gravity and electromagnetism as well as general relativity and

quantum mechanics.

 

The key to this unification was also group theory. Sirag was impressed

by the fact that, although Eddington's work had been neglected for

decades, the central importance of group theory for unified field

theory had become established by recent physics.

Eddington's unification was based upon the 4-element group called the

Klein group K4. Eddington thought of this group as describing the

structure of the most elemental measurement: seeing whether or not two

rigid rods are the same length. He regarded group theory as the

solution to the mind-matter duality problem. His solution can be

stated in this way: insofar as as the mind can know matter, it has a

group structure isomorphic to that of matter.

 

" ...insofar as as the mind can know matter, it has a group structure

isomorphic to that of matter. "

So fascinating!

 

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/consc_phys.htm

 

 

Bill

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Excerpt from webpage:

>

> Sir Arthur Eddington [is a] physicist who was famous for producing a

> nearly incomprehensible unified field theory, which purportedly

> unified gravity and electromagnetism as well as general relativity

and

> quantum mechanics.

>

> The key to this unification was also group theory. Sirag was

impressed

> by the fact that, although Eddington's work had been neglected for

> decades, the central importance of group theory for unified field

> theory had become established by recent physics.

> Eddington's unification was based upon the 4-element group called

the

> Klein group K4. Eddington thought of this group as describing the

> structure of the most elemental measurement: seeing whether or not

two

> rigid rods are the same length. He regarded group theory as the

> solution to the mind-matter duality problem. His solution can be

> stated in this way: insofar as as the mind can know matter, it has a

> group structure isomorphic to that of matter.

>

> " ...insofar as as the mind can know matter, it has a group structure

> isomorphic to that of matter. "

> So fascinating!

>

> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/consc_phys.htm

>

>

> Bill

>

Thanks for the webpage link Bill. I love all the guys there. And

there are many more in the studies of physics, mind and meaning and

ways and means thereof, that confirm both with strict formalisim and

free flowing thought, with both mathematical investagation and

physical/mind theory, that what these pointers suggest is true and

sublime and as you say fascinating. It is a wonder(our wonder at the

Wonder of what is and what we are).A wonder and a wonderful

obsession. that pysics and metaphysics....the one and the

many.......the all and the everything with the nought and the

cypher...thr finite and infinite...the high mighty and the low

powerless are of a piece and peace, that reaches from below the

smallest/earliest abstraction to the galaxy of galaxies and a beyond

inconceivable........wonderful and mysterious and unified and Us!

Beautiful beyond words, description or theoretical struture. Is it

any curiosity that we search for ourselves only ultimately to find

ourselves .....searching for ourselves? Yes indeed. when we get there

the object sought turns out to be none other than the seeker. An

old 'Pogo' toon went.. " We have seen the enemy and he is us. " I would

add, though really in the strictest sense, no addition needed, " We

have seen the beginning and we have seen the end, we have seen heaven

and hell and the farthest reaches of spacetime and more, and in so

doing we find ourselves...None Other. Ask who is home and it's

nobody. Nobody but us ...and it is one. " I am he, as you are he, as

you are me, and we are all together " (I am the Walrus..John Lennon)

Great stuff Bill.

........bob

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Excerpt from webpage:

> >

> > Sir Arthur Eddington [is a] physicist who was famous for producing a

> > nearly incomprehensible unified field theory, which purportedly

> > unified gravity and electromagnetism as well as general relativity

> and

> > quantum mechanics.

> >

> > The key to this unification was also group theory. Sirag was

> impressed

> > by the fact that, although Eddington's work had been neglected for

> > decades, the central importance of group theory for unified field

> > theory had become established by recent physics.

> > Eddington's unification was based upon the 4-element group called

> the

> > Klein group K4. Eddington thought of this group as describing the

> > structure of the most elemental measurement: seeing whether or not

> two

> > rigid rods are the same length. He regarded group theory as the

> > solution to the mind-matter duality problem. His solution can be

> > stated in this way: insofar as as the mind can know matter, it has a

> > group structure isomorphic to that of matter.

> >

> > " ...insofar as as the mind can know matter, it has a group structure

> > isomorphic to that of matter. "

> > So fascinating!

> >

> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/consc_phys.htm

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> Thanks for the webpage link Bill. I love all the guys there. And

> there are many more in the studies of physics, mind and meaning and

> ways and means thereof, that confirm both with strict formalisim and

> free flowing thought, with both mathematical investagation and

> physical/mind theory, that what these pointers suggest is true and

> sublime and as you say fascinating. It is a wonder(our wonder at the

> Wonder of what is and what we are).A wonder and a wonderful

> obsession. that pysics and metaphysics....the one and the

> many.......the all and the everything with the nought and the

> cypher...thr finite and infinite...the high mighty and the low

> powerless are of a piece and peace, that reaches from below the

> smallest/earliest abstraction to the galaxy of galaxies and a beyond

> inconceivable........wonderful and mysterious and unified and Us!

> Beautiful beyond words, description or theoretical struture. Is it

> any curiosity that we search for ourselves only ultimately to find

> ourselves .....searching for ourselves? Yes indeed. when we get there

> the object sought turns out to be none other than the seeker. An

> old 'Pogo' toon went.. " We have seen the enemy and he is us. " I would

> add, though really in the strictest sense, no addition needed, " We

> have seen the beginning and we have seen the end, we have seen heaven

> and hell and the farthest reaches of spacetime and more, and in so

> doing we find ourselves...None Other. Ask who is home and it's

> nobody. Nobody but us ...and it is one. " I am he, as you are he, as

> you are me, and we are all together " (I am the Walrus..John Lennon)

> Great stuff Bill.

> ........bob

>

 

great stuff Bob.

 

never heard the term " the galaxy of galaxies " before.

what a compact and marvelous term, an implicit, enfolded

reference to a multiverse.

 

 

When you say, " Ask who is home and it is nobody. Nobody

but us... "

Just curious: I relate to the first sentence of that.

Not so much to the " Nobody but us... "

There really is no sense of *someone* here.

And what you wrote is ambiguous to me in that

regard. It is hard to be clear because of these

friggin' pronouns (me, I, us) that of necessity

must pop up in speaking.

 

So I am curious if there is a sense of " this my

experience now " or if there is no such sense.

 

For me [friggin' pronoun] there is no sense of

" this my experience now " . But is baffling to

explain or discuss.

 

Bill

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Excerpt from webpage:

> > >

> > > Sir Arthur Eddington [is a] physicist who was famous for

producing a

> > > nearly incomprehensible unified field theory, which purportedly

> > > unified gravity and electromagnetism as well as general

relativity

> > and

> > > quantum mechanics.

> > >

> > > The key to this unification was also group theory. Sirag was

> > impressed

> > > by the fact that, although Eddington's work had been neglected

for

> > > decades, the central importance of group theory for unified

field

> > > theory had become established by recent physics.

> > > Eddington's unification was based upon the 4-element group

called

> > the

> > > Klein group K4. Eddington thought of this group as describing

the

> > > structure of the most elemental measurement: seeing whether or

not

> > two

> > > rigid rods are the same length. He regarded group theory as the

> > > solution to the mind-matter duality problem. His solution can be

> > > stated in this way: insofar as as the mind can know matter, it

has a

> > > group structure isomorphic to that of matter.

> > >

> > > " ...insofar as as the mind can know matter, it has a group

structure

> > > isomorphic to that of matter. "

> > > So fascinating!

> > >

> > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/consc_phys.htm

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > Thanks for the webpage link Bill. I love all the guys there.

And

> > there are many more in the studies of physics, mind and meaning

and

> > ways and means thereof, that confirm both with strict formalisim

and

> > free flowing thought, with both mathematical investagation and

> > physical/mind theory, that what these pointers suggest is true

and

> > sublime and as you say fascinating. It is a wonder(our wonder at

the

> > Wonder of what is and what we are).A wonder and a wonderful

> > obsession. that pysics and metaphysics....the one and the

> > many.......the all and the everything with the nought and the

> > cypher...thr finite and infinite...the high mighty and the low

> > powerless are of a piece and peace, that reaches from below the

> > smallest/earliest abstraction to the galaxy of galaxies and a

beyond

> > inconceivable........wonderful and mysterious and unified and Us!

> > Beautiful beyond words, description or theoretical struture. Is

it

> > any curiosity that we search for ourselves only ultimately to

find

> > ourselves .....searching for ourselves? Yes indeed. when we get

there

> > the object sought turns out to be none other than the seeker. An

> > old 'Pogo' toon went.. " We have seen the enemy and he is us. " I

would

> > add, though really in the strictest sense, no addition

needed, " We

> > have seen the beginning and we have seen the end, we have seen

heaven

> > and hell and the farthest reaches of spacetime and more, and in

so

> > doing we find ourselves...None Other. Ask who is home and it's

> > nobody. Nobody but us ...and it is one. " I am he, as you are he,

as

> > you are me, and we are all together " (I am the Walrus..John Lennon)

> > Great stuff Bill.

> > ........bob

> >

>

> great stuff Bob.

>

> never heard the term " the galaxy of galaxies " before.

> what a compact and marvelous term, an implicit, enfolded

> reference to a multiverse.

>

>

> When you say, " Ask who is home and it is nobody. Nobody

> but us... "

> Just curious: I relate to the first sentence of that.

> Not so much to the " Nobody but us... "

> There really is no sense of *someone* here.

> And what you wrote is ambiguous to me in that

> regard. It is hard to be clear because of these

> friggin' pronouns (me, I, us) that of necessity

> must pop up in speaking.

>

> So I am curious if there is a sense of " this my

> experience now " or if there is no such sense.

>

> For me [friggin' pronoun] there is no sense of

> " this my experience now " . But is baffling to

> explain or discuss.

>

> Bill

>

 

That's it Bill. The paradox, the meaning, the fun. No purpose,

nobody.. and yet that's it...as you say..words fail and only the " Ah

HAh " of " getting it " like a joke or like a Eureka moment..as in " Well

Hey there, I see it now! We can share it but can only use words to

point. Each must drink water for themselves, eat food for themselves,

eliminate waste for themselves, think for themselves....no one else

can help anyone else do any of the fundamentals and yet there is no

other to receive help from, nor to offer such to. It's a mystery. But

it is also a GAS! Have fun and Happy Easter B. :-)

.........bob