Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 12:27:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > Maybe you misunderstood what I meant by " within " . It's > realization/awareness > that is found within. This is the only way evolution of consciousness > occurs. Hearing words from anyone, no matter how true or appropriate, > changes > nothing unless the potential truth of it is looked for within. The reason > I'm here > is that I very much believe that the words of others as well as my own > words > in response to others, more often than not represent a current exploration > of mine and can be very helpful. > > > L.E: Maybe I do misunderstand or cannot understand what you are talking > about. I have my limitations. I don't think consciousness evolves. That is my > opinion, not a belief although perhaps it does. In my sense of being alive, > I sense consciousness itself, the all seeingness of awareness, or the > looking, feeling of my existence, is consciousness and it doesn't evolve, it just > IS, and exists. Do you see degrees of consciousness? Is a rabbit more > conscious than a snail? Is an alligator more conscious than a snake? Is an adult > more conscious than a child. Who is more conscious, you or me? How did you > get this idea that consciousness evolves? Certainly is not something you experience within yourself as yourself. To me, it is another story among millions of stories, a fiction like humans being born from a god who created us out of mud. Where did that idea come from? From some mentally deranged drugged out priest that lived thousands of years ago? You don't even have the modesty to claim it is a belief, or a concept, or a possibility, but state it as a fact that is real and exists. But it doesn't. It is made up, invented, a fantasy. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/15/2006 12:27:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB writes: > > > Maybe you misunderstood what I meant by " within " . It's > > realization/awareness > > that is found within. This is the only way evolution of consciousness > > occurs. Hearing words from anyone, no matter how true or appropriate, > > changes > > nothing unless the potential truth of it is looked for within. The reason > > I'm here > > is that I very much believe that the words of others as well as my own > > words > > in response to others, more often than not represent a current exploration > > of mine and can be very helpful. > > > > > > L.E: Maybe I do misunderstand or cannot understand what you are talking > > about. I have my limitations. I don't think consciousness evolves. That is my > > opinion, not a belief although perhaps it does. In my sense of being alive, > > I sense consciousness itself, the all seeingness of awareness, or the > > looking, feeling of my existence, is consciousness and it doesn't evolve, it just > > IS, and exists. Do you see degrees of consciousness? Is a rabbit more > > conscious than a snail? Is an alligator more conscious than a snake? Is an adult > > more conscious than a child. Who is more conscious, you or me? How did you > > get this idea that consciousness evolves? > Certainly is not something you experience within yourself as yourself. To > me, it is another story among millions of stories, a fiction like humans being > born from a god who created us out of mud. Where did that idea come from? From > some mentally deranged drugged out priest that lived thousands of years ago? > You don't even have the modesty to claim it is a belief, or a concept, or a > possibility, but state it as a fact that is real and exists. But it doesn't. > It is made up, invented, a fantasy. > > Larry Epston > L.E. states: > > " Where did that idea come from? From > some mentally deranged drugged out priest that lived thousands of years ago? " Mmmmmm.? L.E. further states: " ..But it doesn't. > It is made up, invented, a fantasy. " Of some mentally deranged drugged out Larry Epston may I inquire? Sometimes Larry it sucks! and sometimes it blows! Your the only one I know who can do both at the same time. I gotta catch your Reality Show sometime...you say you have 'clients'.....just a thought and question..are you one of your own clients? A suggestion here if such is the case: Don't listen to that particular client...so deluded you know. I'd give him his money back and get rid of him before he drives you crazy. Oh? you say no way possible. Well that's a crazy notion L.E. Guess it's too late. You've spent too much time with yourself already. But I respect your endurance. That tete a tete stuff with your petty self has a feel of self abuse to me though. I would suggest you get a life but I don't think you'd recognize one if you found it in your soup. P.S. Don't read this post Larry. Oh I've got'ya..you won't and don't and never will. That's a good thing Larry. .........bob Phil: I know you may or may not read this post, If you do could you pass on the general idea to Larry. He's such a card! I love the guy, but he doesn't listen to me. Hell's Bells he doesn't even read me. Course I knew he didn't 'read' me from the start of our strange and wonderful relationship and may I add, arrangement? One I love to love and one he loves to hate. A very special and dear sort of " in cahoots " we have, us two. Thank God in this case not all things are one. ......(bn) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 7:33:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:13:24 -0000 " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 Re: Does Consciousness Evolve? Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/15/2006 12:27:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB writes: > > > Maybe you misunderstood what I meant by " within " . It's > > realization/awareness > > that is found within. This is the only way evolution of consciousness > > occurs. Hearing words from anyone, no matter how true or appropriate, > > changes > > nothing unless the potential truth of it is looked for within. The reason > > I'm here > > is that I very much believe that the words of others as well as my own > > words > > in response to others, more often than not represent a current exploration > > of mine and can be very helpful. > > > > > > L.E: Maybe I do misunderstand or cannot understand what you are talking > > about. I have my limitations. I don't think consciousness evolves. That is my > > opinion, not a belief although perhaps it does. In my sense of being alive, > > I sense consciousness itself, the all seeingness of awareness, or the > > looking, feeling of my existence, is consciousness and it doesn't evolve, it just > > IS, and exists. Do you see degrees of consciousness? Is a rabbit more > > conscious than a snail? Is an alligator more conscious than a snake? Is an adult > > more conscious than a child. Who is more conscious, you or me? How did you > > get this idea that consciousness evolves? > Certainly is not something you experience within yourself as yourself. To > me, it is another story among millions of stories, a fiction like humans being > born from a god who created us out of mud. Where did that idea come from? From > some mentally deranged drugged out priest that lived thousands of years ago? > You don't even have the modesty to claim it is a belief, or a concept, or a > possibility, but state it as a fact that is real and exists. But it doesn't. > It is made up, invented, a fantasy. > > Larry Epston > L.E. states: > > " Where did that idea come from? From > some mentally deranged drugged out priest that lived thousands of years ago? " Mmmmmm.? L.E. further states: " ..But it doesn't. > It is made up, invented, a fantasy. " Of some mentally deranged drugged out Larry Epston may I inquire? Sometimes Larry it sucks! and sometimes it blows! Your the only one I know who can do both at the same time. I gotta catch your Reality Show sometime...you say you have 'clients'.....just a thought and question..are you one of your own clients? A suggestion here if such is the case: Don't listen to that particular client...so deluded you know. I'd give him his money back and get rid of him before he drives you crazy. Oh? you say no way possible. Well that's a crazy notion L.E. Guess it's too late. You've spent too much time with yourself already. But I respect your endurance. That tete a tete stuff with your petty self has a feel of self abuse to me though. I would suggest you get a life but I don't think you'd recognize one if you found it in your soup. P.S. Don't read this post Larry. Oh I've got'ya..you won't and don't and never will. That's a good thing Larry. ..........bob Phil: I know you may or may not read this post, If you do could you pass on the general idea to Larry. He's such a card! I love the guy, but he doesn't listen to me. Hell's Bells he doesn't even read me. Course I knew he didn't 'read' me from the start of our strange and wonderful relationship and may I add, arrangement? One I love to love and one he loves to hate. A very special and dear sort of " in cahoots " we have, us two. Thank God in this case not all things are one. .......(bn) Welp, okay, see, here's the thing about that there. This whole lengthy, and sometimes tedious discussion, was never about getting Larry to understand anything. I know Larry pretty well for the simple reason that he doesn't know himself at all. He doesn't allow anything scary to penetrate the dark matter between his ears, and so there isn't really a two way conversation going on, but more of an automatic stimulus/response. As always, everything I jabber about is my own exploration and I got some real clarity out of this discussion and, to me at least, Larry proved the importance of living consciously by demonstrating what happens when one doesn't. It can always be hoped that it served somebody else too, but maybe that didn't happen. In any case, I believe I got what I needed out of it and maybe there's no point in continuing. We'll see. BTW, I scan all the posts, and I almost always find yours interesting, but I have to skip the lengthy ones cause there just isn't time. Never learned how to speed read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 12:29:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: > As always, everything I jabber about is my own exploration and I > got some > >real clarity out of this discussion and, to me at least, Larry > proved the > >importance of living consciously by demonstrating what happens when > one doesn't. > > > LOL! > > Len > L.E: " Jabber' " is good, accurate and only a small part of what you do, but great, I'm glad I can be of assistance to you by demonstrating the unconscious and limited way to live and be. You're welcome and all of that. You own me. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > Welp, okay, see, here's the thing about that there. This whole lengthy, and > sometimes tedious discussion, was never about getting Larry to understand > anything. I know Larry pretty well for the simple reason that he doesn't know > himself at all. He doesn't allow anything scary to penetrate the dark matter > between his ears, and so there isn't really a two way conversation going on, > but more of an automatic stimulus/response. > > As always, everything I jabber about is my own exploration and I got some > real clarity out of this discussion and, to me at least, Larry proved the > importance of living consciously by demonstrating what happens when one doesn't. LOL! Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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