Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 8:54:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pedsie5 writes: > Some people lead verbal lives. > Most of their time is taken by words, > they talk, they read, and they write for most > of the day. When they are not conversing > face to face, they are on the cell phone, or > at the P.C. > > When alone, and not talking, reading or > writing, they read the mental scroll which > unfolds words on their mental screen. They > don't feel alive unless their lives is being > translated and narrated in words. > > And so the profundity and mystery of things > escape them, and they live hungry lives, yet > ever chewing on empty words. > > Pete > > L.E: Beautiful poem Pete. Outstanding in form, rhythm and content. I like it. Good thing there are only a few who are like that, but remember they weren't alway like that, and perhaps they will again stop and feel the silence and openess of life. No way to tell. Maybe this is just a phase of unloading from overloading. A time of discharge and self-involvement that will pass. Even the mentally ill sometimes recover and the person in the vegetative state wakes up to ordinary life again even after years of silent dreaming. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 11:15:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:51:39 -0700 Pete S <pedsie5 The Verbal Life Some people lead verbal lives. Most of their time is taken by words, they talk, they read, and they write for most of the day. When they are not conversing face to face, they are on the cell phone, or at the P.C. When alone, and not talking, reading or writing, they read the mental scroll which unfolds words on their mental screen. They don't feel alive unless their lives is being translated and narrated in words. And so the profundity and mystery of things escape them, and they live hungry lives, yet ever chewing on empty words. Pete Good stuff, Pete, and mostly true for me. I dare say it's true for more than just " some " people as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 1:01:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pedsie5 writes: > While some other people prefer to think and write about those people > who lead verbal lives, rather then lead their own verbal life. > > Len > > P: you included,I presume? L.E: No! No! Len is one of those people you write about Leading a verbal life is not a good or healthy thing. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 11:15:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:21:12 EDT epston Re: The Verbal Life In a message dated 4/15/2006 8:54:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pedsie5 writes: > Some people lead verbal lives. > Most of their time is taken by words, > they talk, they read, and they write for most > of the day. When they are not conversing > face to face, they are on the cell phone, or > at the P.C. > > When alone, and not talking, reading or > writing, they read the mental scroll which > unfolds words on their mental screen. They > don't feel alive unless their lives is being > translated and narrated in words. > > And so the profundity and mystery of things > escape them, and they live hungry lives, yet > ever chewing on empty words. > > Pete > > L.E: Beautiful poem Pete. Outstanding in form, rhythm and content. I like it. Good thing there are only a few who are like that, but remember they weren't alway like that, and perhaps they will again stop and feel the silence and openess of life. No way to tell. Maybe this is just a phase of unloading from overloading. A time of discharge and self-involvement that will pass. Even the mentally ill sometimes recover and the person in the vegetative state wakes up to ordinary life again even after years of silent dreaming. Larry Epston To have the mind engaged in the process of creating it's own reality all the time is the norm for all but the enlightened, and even they often engage the mind for teaching or entertainment or simply to function within physicality. The mind seems to think in words and images and even in deep meditations there are very subtle mentations occurring. (Don't expect you to believe that at all, Larry. Just sayin.) If this process is stopped even for a moment, the illusion collapses, and so it's a fantasy to believe this isn't occurring in yourself and everyone around you almost all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 1:32:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > L.E: Beautiful poem Pete. Outstanding in form, rhythm and content. > I like it. Good thing there are only a few who are like that, but remember > > they weren't alway like that, and perhaps they will again stop and feel the > > silence and openess of life. No way to tell. Maybe this is just a phase of > > unloading from overloading. A time of discharge and self-involvement that > will > pass. Even the mentally ill sometimes recover and the person in the > vegetative > state wakes up to ordinary life again even after years of silent dreaming. > > Larry Epston > > > > To have the mind engaged in the process of creating it's own reality all > the > time is the norm for all but the enlightened, and even they often engage the > > mind for teaching or entertainment or simply to function within physicality. > > The mind seems to think in words and images and even in deep meditations > there are very subtle mentations occurring. (Don't expect you to believe > that at > all, Larry. Just sayin.) If this process is stopped even for a moment, the > illusion collapses, and so it's a fantasy to believe this isn't occurring > in > yourself and everyone around you almost all the time. > > > L.E: I don't think Pete was describing the operation of the mind, but the social self, the ego, the personality, the conscious person. The mind is mostly hidden so what we think about its operation is mostly speculation. I think enlightenments involves the ego and not the mind. When the ego subsides, the human organism experiences the here and now of existence which includes the hidden subconscious mind. You can perhaps reduce the activity of the mind by sensory deprivation or isolation, but to stop it completely you have to kill the brain that produces mind or mental functioning. You are probably correct that the mind operates continuously but the ego doesn't, and again, when the ego subsides the here and now present immerges and life feels good. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 1:55:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:45:31 EDT epston Re: The Verbal Life In a message dated 4/15/2006 1:32:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > L.E: Beautiful poem Pete. Outstanding in form, rhythm and content. > I like it. Good thing there are only a few who are like that, but remember > > they weren't alway like that, and perhaps they will again stop and feel the > > silence and openess of life. No way to tell. Maybe this is just a phase of > > unloading from overloading. A time of discharge and self-involvement that > will > pass. Even the mentally ill sometimes recover and the person in the > vegetative > state wakes up to ordinary life again even after years of silent dreaming. > > Larry Epston > > > > To have the mind engaged in the process of creating it's own reality all > the > time is the norm for all but the enlightened, and even they often engage the > > mind for teaching or entertainment or simply to function within physicality. > > The mind seems to think in words and images and even in deep meditations > there are very subtle mentations occurring. (Don't expect you to believe > that at > all, Larry. Just sayin.) If this process is stopped even for a moment, the > illusion collapses, and so it's a fantasy to believe this isn't occurring > in > yourself and everyone around you almost all the time. > > > L.E: I don't think Pete was describing the operation of the mind, but the social self, the ego, the personality, the conscious person. The mind is mostly hidden so what we think about its operation is mostly speculation. I think enlightenments involves the ego and not the mind. When the ego subsides, the human organism experiences the here and now of existence which includes the hidden subconscious mind. You can perhaps reduce the activity of the mind by sensory deprivation or isolation, but to stop it completely you have to kill the brain that produces mind or mental functioning. You are probably correct that the mind operates continuously but the ego doesn't, and again, when the ego subsides the here and now present immerges and life feels good. Larry Epston Ego isn't something separate from the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 While some other people prefer to think and write about those people who lead verbal lives, rather then lead their own verbal life. Len P: you included,I presume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 3:55:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > L.E: I don't think Pete was describing the operation of the mind, but the > social self, the ego, the personality, the conscious person. > The mind is mostly hidden so what we think about its operation is mostly > speculation. I think enlightenments involves the ego and not the mind. > When the > ego subsides, the human organism experiences the here and now of existence > > which includes the hidden subconscious mind. You can perhaps reduce the > activity > of the mind by sensory deprivation or isolation, but to stop it completely > you have to kill the brain that produces mind or mental functioning. You > are > probably correct that the mind operates continuously but the ego doesn't, > and > again, when the ego subsides the here and now present immerges and life > feels > good. > > Larry Epston > > > > Ego isn't something separate from the mind. Phil L.E: I never wrote that the ego is separte from the mind, I wrote it is an expression of the mind. Sort of like a clam extends part of itself out of the shell to find food. Most of the mind is hidden, except in dreams, but the part that is conscious is an extension of its hidden character. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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