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nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

is

a wo/man without a name, a country,

a place to call home a statistical variation

on a theme in a physical reality,

the numbers never lie you know;

 

there are others, I have heard

who live amoung the clouds and stars

who walk in peace and call anywhere

'home' and sometimes it can be

said they choose no name for they travel

lightly, ever-so-lightly,

 

and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

 

" Non sunt in colei, quia "

 

or

 

" Namaste "

 

 

 

Love, Peace and Light,

 

Ana

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namaste ana

 

peace om

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote:

>

> nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> is

> a wo/man without a name, a country,

> a place to call home a statistical variation

> on a theme in a physical reality,

> the numbers never lie you know;

>

> there are others, I have heard

> who live amoung the clouds and stars

> who walk in peace and call anywhere

> 'home' and sometimes it can be

> said they choose no name for they travel

> lightly, ever-so-lightly,

>

> and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

>

> " Non sunt in colei, quia "

>

> or

>

> " Namaste "

>

>

>

> Love, Peace and Light,

>

> Ana

>

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wrote:

>

> namaste ana

>

> peace om

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote:

> >

> > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > is

> > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > the numbers never lie you know;

> >

> > there are others, I have heard

> > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > said they choose no name for they travel

> > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> >

> > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> >

> > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> >

> > or

> >

> > " Namaste "

> >

> >

> >

> > Love, Peace and Light,

> >

> > Ana

> >

> Oh Yeah this is Nice!...Very Nice. Good Vibrations. I love it

man! For real.

:-))

.......bob

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote:

>

> nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> is

> a wo/man without a name, a country,

> a place to call home a statistical variation

> on a theme in a physical reality,

> the numbers never lie you know;

>

> there are others, I have heard

> who live amoung the clouds and stars

> who walk in peace and call anywhere

> 'home' and sometimes it can be

> said they choose no name for they travel

> lightly, ever-so-lightly,

>

> and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

>

> " Non sunt in colei, quia "

>

> or

>

> " Namaste "

>

>

>

> Love, Peace and Light,

>

> Ana

>

 

John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

 

" a statistical variation on a theme... " is

a real delicacy.

 

An architexture of stillness you paint...

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote:

> >

> > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > is

> > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > the numbers never lie you know;

> >

> > there are others, I have heard

> > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > said they choose no name for they travel

> > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> >

> > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> >

> > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> >

> > or

> >

> > " Namaste "

> >

> >

> >

> > Love, Peace and Light,

> >

> > Ana

> >

>

> John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

>

> " a statistical variation on a theme... " is

> a real delicacy.

>

> An architexture of stillness you paint...

>

>

> Bill

>

I'm falling in love with both the poem of Ana and your reponse

here Bill. An old fool is sometimes a young softy.

Thanks folks,

.........bob

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Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote:

> > >

> > > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > > is

> > > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > > the numbers never lie you know;

> > >

> > > there are others, I have heard

> > > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > > said they choose no name for they travel

> > > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> > >

> > > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> > >

> > > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> > >

> > > or

> > >

> > > " Namaste "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Love, Peace and Light,

> > >

> > > Ana

> > >

> >

> > John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

> >

> > " a statistical variation on a theme... " is

> > a real delicacy.

> >

> > An architexture of stillness you paint...

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> I'm falling in love with both the poem of Ana and your reponse

> here Bill. An old fool is sometimes a young softy.

> Thanks folks,

> .........bob

>

 

old fool - young softy - Sacred Clown

 

 

Bill

 

Note: Learned a bit about Crazy Horse,

the American Indian chief.

 

He was what is call by his people a

Thunder Dreamer, and a Thunder Dreamer

is one that is a manner of Sacred Clown,

one who does things the " opposite way " ,

one who is willing to appear foolish for

the sake of the people.

 

 

And finally, I would like to add, regarding

Ana's poem: Divine

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > > > is

> > > > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > > > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > > > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > > > the numbers never lie you know;

> > > >

> > > > there are others, I have heard

> > > > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > > > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > > > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > > > said they choose no name for they travel

> > > > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> > > >

> > > > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> > > >

> > > > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> > > >

> > > > or

> > > >

> > > > " Namaste "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Love, Peace and Light,

> > > >

> > > > Ana

> > > >

> > >

> > > John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

> > >

> > > " a statistical variation on a theme... " is

> > > a real delicacy.

> > >

> > > An architexture of stillness you paint...

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > I'm falling in love with both the poem of Ana and your reponse

> > here Bill. An old fool is sometimes a young softy.

> > Thanks folks,

> > .........bob

> >

>

> old fool - young softy - Sacred Clown

>

>

> Bill

>

> Note: Learned a bit about Crazy Horse,

> the American Indian chief.

>

> He was what is call by his people a

> Thunder Dreamer, and a Thunder Dreamer

> is one that is a manner of Sacred Clown,

> one who does things the " opposite way " ,

> one who is willing to appear foolish for

> the sake of the people.

>

>

> And finally, I would like to add, regarding

> Ana's poem: Divine

>

 

I agree again Bill....Ana's poem: Divine. And what can I say about

Crazy Horse? He like 'The Ghost Whisperer " are true founts and

demonstrators of the Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the

Wisdom Horse.

.......bob

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Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > > > > is

> > > > > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > > > > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > > > > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > > > > the numbers never lie you know;

> > > > >

> > > > > there are others, I have heard

> > > > > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > > > > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > > > > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > > > > said they choose no name for they travel

> > > > > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> > > > >

> > > > > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> > > > >

> > > > > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> > > > >

> > > > > or

> > > > >

> > > > > " Namaste "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Love, Peace and Light,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ana

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

> > > >

> > > > " a statistical variation on a theme... " is

> > > > a real delicacy.

> > > >

> > > > An architexture of stillness you paint...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > I'm falling in love with both the poem of Ana and your reponse

> > > here Bill. An old fool is sometimes a young softy.

> > > Thanks folks,

> > > .........bob

> > >

> >

> > old fool - young softy - Sacred Clown

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> > Note: Learned a bit about Crazy Horse,

> > the American Indian chief.

> >

> > He was what is call by his people a

> > Thunder Dreamer, and a Thunder Dreamer

> > is one that is a manner of Sacred Clown,

> > one who does things the " opposite way " ,

> > one who is willing to appear foolish for

> > the sake of the people.

> >

> >

> > And finally, I would like to add, regarding

> > Ana's poem: Divine

> >

>

> I agree again Bill....Ana's poem: Divine. And what can I say about

> Crazy Horse? He like 'The Ghost Whisperer " are true founts and

> demonstrators of the Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the

> Wisdom Horse.

> .......bob

>

 

You continue to amaze me Bob...

I have never heard of The Ghost Whisperer and so

did a search. It's a TV show?

 

If so that is another coincidence, as I have been

doing some sketches of Jennifer Love Hewitt as

practice studies recently. I came across her image

and found it intriguing... unique, and ... " something

else " elusively undefinable.

 

That last line of yours strikes a direct hit, as

far as I am concerned...

 

Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse.

 

Now isn't that glorious!

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

<anabebe57@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > > > > > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > > > > > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > > > > > the numbers never lie you know;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there are others, I have heard

> > > > > > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > > > > > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > > > > > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > > > > > said they choose no name for they travel

> > > > > > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Namaste "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love, Peace and Light,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ana

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

> > > > >

> > > > > " a statistical variation on a theme... " is

> > > > > a real delicacy.

> > > > >

> > > > > An architexture of stillness you paint...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > I'm falling in love with both the poem of Ana and your

reponse

> > > > here Bill. An old fool is sometimes a young softy.

> > > > Thanks folks,

> > > > .........bob

> > > >

> > >

> > > old fool - young softy - Sacred Clown

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > > Note: Learned a bit about Crazy Horse,

> > > the American Indian chief.

> > >

> > > He was what is call by his people a

> > > Thunder Dreamer, and a Thunder Dreamer

> > > is one that is a manner of Sacred Clown,

> > > one who does things the " opposite way " ,

> > > one who is willing to appear foolish for

> > > the sake of the people.

> > >

> > >

> > > And finally, I would like to add, regarding

> > > Ana's poem: Divine

> > >

> >

> > I agree again Bill....Ana's poem: Divine. And what can I say

about

> > Crazy Horse? He like 'The Ghost Whisperer " are true founts and

> > demonstrators of the Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the

> > Wisdom Horse.

> > .......bob

> >

>

> You continue to amaze me Bob...

> I have never heard of The Ghost Whisperer and so

> did a search. It's a TV show?

>

> If so that is another coincidence, as I have been

> doing some sketches of Jennifer Love Hewitt as

> practice studies recently. I came across her image

> and found it intriguing... unique, and ... " something

> else " elusively undefinable.

>

> That last line of yours strikes a direct hit, as

> far as I am concerned...

>

> Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse.

>

> Now isn't that glorious!

>

> Bill

>

 

Bill it is I who am amazed. I guess I don't catch enough

television! And I thought actually that I watched too much. As a

young kid I know that I did. After reading your post, I too did a

search and.. Wild is the Wind!.There is or was a TV show called 'The

Ghost Whisperer " And indeed it's of very recent vintage and has as

one of the main characters our unique and intriguing Jennifer Love

Hewitt. Now it could be that I had heard of this show, I really don't

know. I certainly never watched it. An perhaps in hearing of the

show, if indeed that was the case, I subcosciously attuned to the

title and used it in reference to whom I spoke in that post. In all

truth I was referring to an individual of my aquaintance long ago,

who talked without talking. This sounds undiscerning and possibly

impossible or untrue, but it's a fact of my personal history that I

spent a time with this individual and that he communicated in a

manner that required and used no verbal aspect whatsoever. And even

stranger was the fact that we talked more without the use of

language, and he transmitted more without it's use, than all of the

people and mentors that I had ever known prior to that era of

aquaintance and somatesthesia we did spend together, in that time and

desert. Your mentioning of Crazy Horse, of whom I hold great respect,

brought this ancient one who befriended me to mind. My usage of the

term 'Ghost Whisperer' was used as a descriptive name for who he was

and how it was he operated.I don't mention his given name nor title

as firstly he was not one for titles and considered given names as

not true names(for reasons that may seem even more bizarre if I were

to get into it), and secondly because he has living blood

descendents who I still on occasion talk with, and verbally as well

in these cases. These younger elements(though older than I) of his

line, do not now even live in the same region anymore, and are not

themselves inclined to dwell on the past as they still consider him

to be present even though gone now many years from this 'realm' of

ours. In deference to their wishes to not get involved and to not

involve there father and grandfather, I only ever refer to him in

metaphorical terms. And at the time of writing that post I could

think of no more fitting a metaphor. I will use other terms

henceforth as to not cause this confusion. It's funny though. And

it's wild. And it again shows how synchronistic things happen because

of causes way outside and beyond our makings. By this misusage of

mine, we again found ourselves connecting at levels of being-time.One

final confession: That last part, " The Will and the Way of the One

who Mounts the Wisdom Horse " comes from a teaching within his kindred

people and was marked just as such on the ground outside of a house

of three rooms,with one incandescent lightbulb in only one of those

rooms, as it's sole ornament beyond utensils for food preparation and

cooking, and very simple and functional furniture.That abode being

located on what, at the time, was a Reservation near Phoenix. This

marking was done each morning on the dry ground and by evening had

been blown away. This was a way and a ritual that was performed by

him or a family member each newborn day. The markings and the blowing

away were more than merely symbolic ..they were the whole of Time and

sounded the thundering hooves of the Wisdom Horse itself.

........bob

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Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

<illusyn@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> <anabebe57@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > > > > > > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > > > > > > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > > > > > > the numbers never lie you know;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there are others, I have heard

> > > > > > > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > > > > > > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > > > > > > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > > > > > > said they choose no name for they travel

> > > > > > > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Namaste "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love, Peace and Light,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ana

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " a statistical variation on a theme... " is

> > > > > > a real delicacy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > An architexture of stillness you paint...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > I'm falling in love with both the poem of Ana and your

> reponse

> > > > > here Bill. An old fool is sometimes a young softy.

> > > > > Thanks folks,

> > > > > .........bob

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > old fool - young softy - Sacred Clown

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > > Note: Learned a bit about Crazy Horse,

> > > > the American Indian chief.

> > > >

> > > > He was what is call by his people a

> > > > Thunder Dreamer, and a Thunder Dreamer

> > > > is one that is a manner of Sacred Clown,

> > > > one who does things the " opposite way " ,

> > > > one who is willing to appear foolish for

> > > > the sake of the people.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > And finally, I would like to add, regarding

> > > > Ana's poem: Divine

> > > >

> > >

> > > I agree again Bill....Ana's poem: Divine. And what can I say

> about

> > > Crazy Horse? He like 'The Ghost Whisperer " are true founts and

> > > demonstrators of the Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the

> > > Wisdom Horse.

> > > .......bob

> > >

> >

> > You continue to amaze me Bob...

> > I have never heard of The Ghost Whisperer and so

> > did a search. It's a TV show?

> >

> > If so that is another coincidence, as I have been

> > doing some sketches of Jennifer Love Hewitt as

> > practice studies recently. I came across her image

> > and found it intriguing... unique, and ... " something

> > else " elusively undefinable.

> >

> > That last line of yours strikes a direct hit, as

> > far as I am concerned...

> >

> > Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse.

> >

> > Now isn't that glorious!

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

> Bill it is I who am amazed. I guess I don't catch enough

> television! And I thought actually that I watched too much. As a

> young kid I know that I did. After reading your post, I too did a

> search and.. Wild is the Wind!.There is or was a TV show

called 'The

> Ghost Whisperer " And indeed it's of very recent vintage and has as

> one of the main characters our unique and intriguing Jennifer Love

> Hewitt. Now it could be that I had heard of this show, I really

don't

> know. I certainly never watched it. An perhaps in hearing of the

> show, if indeed that was the case, I subcosciously attuned to the

> title and used it in reference to whom I spoke in that post. In all

> truth I was referring to an individual of my aquaintance long ago,

> who talked without talking. This sounds undiscerning and possibly

> impossible or untrue, but it's a fact of my personal history that I

> spent a time with this individual and that he communicated in a

> manner that required and used no verbal aspect whatsoever. And even

> stranger was the fact that we talked more without the use of

> language, and he transmitted more without it's use, than all of the

> people and mentors that I had ever known prior to that era of

> aquaintance and somatesthesia we did spend together, in that time

and

> desert. Your mentioning of Crazy Horse, of whom I hold great

respect,

> brought this ancient one who befriended me to mind. My usage of the

> term 'Ghost Whisperer' was used as a descriptive name for who he

was

> and how it was he operated.I don't mention his given name nor title

> as firstly he was not one for titles and considered given names as

> not true names(for reasons that may seem even more bizarre if I

were

> to get into it), and secondly because he has living blood

> descendents who I still on occasion talk with, and verbally as well

> in these cases. These younger elements(though older than I) of his

> line, do not now even live in the same region anymore, and are not

> themselves inclined to dwell on the past as they still consider him

> to be present even though gone now many years from this 'realm' of

> ours. In deference to their wishes to not get involved and to not

> involve there father and grandfather, I only ever refer to him in

> metaphorical terms. And at the time of writing that post I could

> think of no more fitting a metaphor. I will use other terms

> henceforth as to not cause this confusion. It's funny though. And

> it's wild. And it again shows how synchronistic things happen

because

> of causes way outside and beyond our makings. By this misusage of

> mine, we again found ourselves connecting at levels of being-

time.One

> final confession: That last part, " The Will and the Way of the One

> who Mounts the Wisdom Horse " comes from a teaching within his

kindred

> people and was marked just as such on the ground outside of a house

> of three rooms,with one incandescent lightbulb in only one of those

> rooms, as it's sole ornament beyond utensils for food preparation

and

> cooking, and very simple and functional furniture.That abode being

> located on what, at the time, was a Reservation near Phoenix. This

> marking was done each morning on the dry ground and by evening had

> been blown away. This was a way and a ritual that was performed by

> him or a family member each newborn day. The markings and the

blowing

> away were more than merely symbolic ..they were the whole of Time

and

> sounded the thundering hooves of the Wisdom Horse itself.

> ........bob

>

 

I love that story... a story not of this world, as it were.

 

Your " invented name " Ghost Whisperer has more resonance on

my end that I can speak of...

 

Incidentally, I used to live in Phoenix... for about 17 years.

I grew up in Tucson. I spent many magical days imbued in the

sacredness of the Arizona desert.

 

Also, just as a curiosity... your mention of the Wisdom Horse

in the previous post brought to mind the song by America,

" A Horse With No Name " . When that came to mind the irony

of the title of this thread struck me. And now you mention

the desert, which if you know the song...

 

I've been reflecting lately on how what I enjoy most on

the couple of lists such as this where I participate is

*not* the analyical clarification of nondual points of

discussion. What interests me are the gems here and

there of wholly organic extrusions of consciousness

condensates.

 

It strikes me that words can come forth as an elaboration

of thought, as an expression of thought, but also words

can come forth in a different way.

 

In the first way words are " about things " .

In the second way the words are the thing itself.

 

So, for example, when you wrote, " The Will and the

Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse, " that

to me is of the second type.

 

It is impossible to analyze such an expression.

Someone who doesn't understand the statement may

wonder, for example, " who " is it the mounts the horse?

Where is this horse? etc.

 

But the statement is not an ordinary statement. It

can not be dissected.

 

Those who are into dissecting with their discriminating

minds [errr... *discerning* minds :)] will count

such statements as that one of yours as mere rubbish,

or fantasy, or evidence of self-indulgent delusions.

 

But what this is really about is left-hemisphere

dominance vs. right-hemisphere dominance. The left-

hemisphere dominant ones basically look down on the

right-hemisphere dominant ones as pathetic losers,

pipe-dreamers... the wantonly deluded.

 

The right-hemisphere dominant ones tend to look at

the left-hemisphere ones as square, out-of-synch,

dull, and obsessively morose. You get the idea.

 

There a few of us right-brainers that know how to

talk left-brained, and some of us will actually

try to get a " message across " to the left-brainers.

So far, though, there haven't been notable successes

in that arena (as far as I know).

 

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. "

<Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> <illusyn@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > <anabebe57@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > > > > > > > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > > > > > > > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > > > > > > > the numbers never lie you know;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there are others, I have heard

> > > > > > > > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > > > > > > > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > > > > > > > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > > > > > > > said they choose no name for they travel

> > > > > > > > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Namaste "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Love, Peace and Light,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ana

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " a statistical variation on a theme... " is

> > > > > > > a real delicacy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > An architexture of stillness you paint...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm falling in love with both the poem of Ana and your

> > reponse

> > > > > > here Bill. An old fool is sometimes a young softy.

> > > > > > Thanks folks,

> > > > > > .........bob

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > old fool - young softy - Sacred Clown

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > > Note: Learned a bit about Crazy Horse,

> > > > > the American Indian chief.

> > > > >

> > > > > He was what is call by his people a

> > > > > Thunder Dreamer, and a Thunder Dreamer

> > > > > is one that is a manner of Sacred Clown,

> > > > > one who does things the " opposite way " ,

> > > > > one who is willing to appear foolish for

> > > > > the sake of the people.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And finally, I would like to add, regarding

> > > > > Ana's poem: Divine

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I agree again Bill....Ana's poem: Divine. And what can I

say

> > about

> > > > Crazy Horse? He like 'The Ghost Whisperer " are true founts

and

> > > > demonstrators of the Will and the Way of the One who Mounts

the

> > > > Wisdom Horse.

> > > > .......bob

> > > >

> > >

> > > You continue to amaze me Bob...

> > > I have never heard of The Ghost Whisperer and so

> > > did a search. It's a TV show?

> > >

> > > If so that is another coincidence, as I have been

> > > doing some sketches of Jennifer Love Hewitt as

> > > practice studies recently. I came across her image

> > > and found it intriguing... unique, and ... " something

> > > else " elusively undefinable.

> > >

> > > That last line of yours strikes a direct hit, as

> > > far as I am concerned...

> > >

> > > Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse.

> > >

> > > Now isn't that glorious!

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> > Bill it is I who am amazed. I guess I don't catch enough

> > television! And I thought actually that I watched too much. As a

> > young kid I know that I did. After reading your post, I too did a

> > search and.. Wild is the Wind!.There is or was a TV show

> called 'The

> > Ghost Whisperer " And indeed it's of very recent vintage and has

as

> > one of the main characters our unique and intriguing Jennifer

Love

> > Hewitt. Now it could be that I had heard of this show, I really

> don't

> > know. I certainly never watched it. An perhaps in hearing of the

> > show, if indeed that was the case, I subcosciously attuned to the

> > title and used it in reference to whom I spoke in that post. In

all

> > truth I was referring to an individual of my aquaintance long

ago,

> > who talked without talking. This sounds undiscerning and possibly

> > impossible or untrue, but it's a fact of my personal history that

I

> > spent a time with this individual and that he communicated in a

> > manner that required and used no verbal aspect whatsoever. And

even

> > stranger was the fact that we talked more without the use of

> > language, and he transmitted more without it's use, than all of

the

> > people and mentors that I had ever known prior to that era of

> > aquaintance and somatesthesia we did spend together, in that time

> and

> > desert. Your mentioning of Crazy Horse, of whom I hold great

> respect,

> > brought this ancient one who befriended me to mind. My usage of

the

> > term 'Ghost Whisperer' was used as a descriptive name for who he

> was

> > and how it was he operated.I don't mention his given name nor

title

> > as firstly he was not one for titles and considered given names

as

> > not true names(for reasons that may seem even more bizarre if I

> were

> > to get into it), and secondly because he has living blood

> > descendents who I still on occasion talk with, and verbally as

well

> > in these cases. These younger elements(though older than I) of

his

> > line, do not now even live in the same region anymore, and are

not

> > themselves inclined to dwell on the past as they still consider

him

> > to be present even though gone now many years from this 'realm'

of

> > ours. In deference to their wishes to not get involved and to not

> > involve there father and grandfather, I only ever refer to him in

> > metaphorical terms. And at the time of writing that post I could

> > think of no more fitting a metaphor. I will use other terms

> > henceforth as to not cause this confusion. It's funny though. And

> > it's wild. And it again shows how synchronistic things happen

> because

> > of causes way outside and beyond our makings. By this misusage of

> > mine, we again found ourselves connecting at levels of being-

> time.One

> > final confession: That last part, " The Will and the Way of the

One

> > who Mounts the Wisdom Horse " comes from a teaching within his

> kindred

> > people and was marked just as such on the ground outside of a

house

> > of three rooms,with one incandescent lightbulb in only one of

those

> > rooms, as it's sole ornament beyond utensils for food preparation

> and

> > cooking, and very simple and functional furniture.That abode

being

> > located on what, at the time, was a Reservation near Phoenix.

This

> > marking was done each morning on the dry ground and by evening

had

> > been blown away. This was a way and a ritual that was performed

by

> > him or a family member each newborn day. The markings and the

> blowing

> > away were more than merely symbolic ..they were the whole of Time

> and

> > sounded the thundering hooves of the Wisdom Horse itself.

> > ........bob

> >

>

> I love that story... a story not of this world, as it were.

>

> Your " invented name " Ghost Whisperer has more resonance on

> my end that I can speak of...

>

> Incidentally, I used to live in Phoenix... for about 17 years.

> I grew up in Tucson. I spent many magical days imbued in the

> sacredness of the Arizona desert.

>

> Also, just as a curiosity... your mention of the Wisdom Horse

> in the previous post brought to mind the song by America,

> " A Horse With No Name " . When that came to mind the irony

> of the title of this thread struck me. And now you mention

> the desert, which if you know the song...

>

> I've been reflecting lately on how what I enjoy most on

> the couple of lists such as this where I participate is

> *not* the analyical clarification of nondual points of

> discussion. What interests me are the gems here and

> there of wholly organic extrusions of consciousness

> condensates.

>

> It strikes me that words can come forth as an elaboration

> of thought, as an expression of thought, but also words

> can come forth in a different way.

>

> In the first way words are " about things " .

> In the second way the words are the thing itself.

>

> So, for example, when you wrote, " The Will and the

> Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse, " that

> to me is of the second type.

>

> It is impossible to analyze such an expression.

> Someone who doesn't understand the statement may

> wonder, for example, " who " is it the mounts the horse?

> Where is this horse? etc.

>

> But the statement is not an ordinary statement. It

> can not be dissected.

>

> Those who are into dissecting with their discriminating

> minds [errr... *discerning* minds :)] will count

> such statements as that one of yours as mere rubbish,

> or fantasy, or evidence of self-indulgent delusions.

>

> But what this is really about is left-hemisphere

> dominance vs. right-hemisphere dominance. The left-

> hemisphere dominant ones basically look down on the

> right-hemisphere dominant ones as pathetic losers,

> pipe-dreamers... the wantonly deluded.

>

> The right-hemisphere dominant ones tend to look at

> the left-hemisphere ones as square, out-of-synch,

> dull, and obsessively morose. You get the idea.

>

> There a few of us right-brainers that know how to

> talk left-brained, and some of us will actually

> try to get a " message across " to the left-brainers.

> So far, though, there haven't been notable successes

> in that arena (as far as I know).

>

>

>

> Bill

>

Your words here have harmonic rings with me for sure Bill.

Somtimes the word is of itself. No referrents.but how to say? I'm

inclined to think anyone who has spent living time on the desert has

an " in " as to certain understandings that can only be by look and

nuance communicated. The Sonaran is a Magnet of Power and Wisdom and

Comfort and Joy as I can see you already " know " . MARVELOUS isn't it?

........bob

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wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

<illusyn@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. "

> <Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> > <illusyn@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > <anabebe57@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > > > > > > > > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > > > > > > > > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > > > > > > > > the numbers never lie you know;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there are others, I have heard

> > > > > > > > > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > > > > > > > > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > > > > > > > > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > > > > > > > > said they choose no name for they travel

> > > > > > > > > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Namaste "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Love, Peace and Light,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ana

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " a statistical variation on a theme... " is

> > > > > > > > a real delicacy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > An architexture of stillness you paint...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm falling in love with both the poem of Ana and

your

> > > reponse

> > > > > > > here Bill. An old fool is sometimes a young softy.

> > > > > > > Thanks folks,

> > > > > > > .........bob

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > old fool - young softy - Sacred Clown

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note: Learned a bit about Crazy Horse,

> > > > > > the American Indian chief.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He was what is call by his people a

> > > > > > Thunder Dreamer, and a Thunder Dreamer

> > > > > > is one that is a manner of Sacred Clown,

> > > > > > one who does things the " opposite way " ,

> > > > > > one who is willing to appear foolish for

> > > > > > the sake of the people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And finally, I would like to add, regarding

> > > > > > Ana's poem: Divine

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree again Bill....Ana's poem: Divine. And what can I

> say

> > > about

> > > > > Crazy Horse? He like 'The Ghost Whisperer " are true founts

> and

> > > > > demonstrators of the Will and the Way of the One who Mounts

> the

> > > > > Wisdom Horse.

> > > > > .......bob

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > You continue to amaze me Bob...

> > > > I have never heard of The Ghost Whisperer and so

> > > > did a search. It's a TV show?

> > > >

> > > > If so that is another coincidence, as I have been

> > > > doing some sketches of Jennifer Love Hewitt as

> > > > practice studies recently. I came across her image

> > > > and found it intriguing... unique, and ... " something

> > > > else " elusively undefinable.

> > > >

> > > > That last line of yours strikes a direct hit, as

> > > > far as I am concerned...

> > > >

> > > > Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse.

> > > >

> > > > Now isn't that glorious!

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > >

> > > Bill it is I who am amazed. I guess I don't catch enough

> > > television! And I thought actually that I watched too much. As

a

> > > young kid I know that I did. After reading your post, I too did

a

> > > search and.. Wild is the Wind!.There is or was a TV show

> > called 'The

> > > Ghost Whisperer " And indeed it's of very recent vintage and has

> as

> > > one of the main characters our unique and intriguing Jennifer

> Love

> > > Hewitt. Now it could be that I had heard of this show, I really

> > don't

> > > know. I certainly never watched it. An perhaps in hearing of

the

> > > show, if indeed that was the case, I subcosciously attuned to

the

> > > title and used it in reference to whom I spoke in that post. In

> all

> > > truth I was referring to an individual of my aquaintance long

> ago,

> > > who talked without talking. This sounds undiscerning and

possibly

> > > impossible or untrue, but it's a fact of my personal history

that

> I

> > > spent a time with this individual and that he communicated in a

> > > manner that required and used no verbal aspect whatsoever. And

> even

> > > stranger was the fact that we talked more without the use of

> > > language, and he transmitted more without it's use, than all of

> the

> > > people and mentors that I had ever known prior to that era of

> > > aquaintance and somatesthesia we did spend together, in that

time

> > and

> > > desert. Your mentioning of Crazy Horse, of whom I hold great

> > respect,

> > > brought this ancient one who befriended me to mind. My usage of

> the

> > > term 'Ghost Whisperer' was used as a descriptive name for who

he

> > was

> > > and how it was he operated.I don't mention his given name nor

> title

> > > as firstly he was not one for titles and considered given names

> as

> > > not true names(for reasons that may seem even more bizarre if I

> > were

> > > to get into it), and secondly because he has living blood

> > > descendents who I still on occasion talk with, and verbally as

> well

> > > in these cases. These younger elements(though older than I) of

> his

> > > line, do not now even live in the same region anymore, and are

> not

> > > themselves inclined to dwell on the past as they still consider

> him

> > > to be present even though gone now many years from this 'realm'

> of

> > > ours. In deference to their wishes to not get involved and to

not

> > > involve there father and grandfather, I only ever refer to him

in

> > > metaphorical terms. And at the time of writing that post I

could

> > > think of no more fitting a metaphor. I will use other terms

> > > henceforth as to not cause this confusion. It's funny though.

And

> > > it's wild. And it again shows how synchronistic things happen

> > because

> > > of causes way outside and beyond our makings. By this misusage

of

> > > mine, we again found ourselves connecting at levels of being-

> > time.One

> > > final confession: That last part, " The Will and the Way of the

> One

> > > who Mounts the Wisdom Horse " comes from a teaching within his

> > kindred

> > > people and was marked just as such on the ground outside of a

> house

> > > of three rooms,with one incandescent lightbulb in only one of

> those

> > > rooms, as it's sole ornament beyond utensils for food

preparation

> > and

> > > cooking, and very simple and functional furniture.That abode

> being

> > > located on what, at the time, was a Reservation near Phoenix.

> This

> > > marking was done each morning on the dry ground and by evening

> had

> > > been blown away. This was a way and a ritual that was performed

> by

> > > him or a family member each newborn day. The markings and the

> > blowing

> > > away were more than merely symbolic ..they were the whole of

Time

> > and

> > > sounded the thundering hooves of the Wisdom Horse itself.

> > > ........bob

> > >

> >

> > I love that story... a story not of this world, as it were.

> >

> > Your " invented name " Ghost Whisperer has more resonance on

> > my end that I can speak of...

> >

> > Incidentally, I used to live in Phoenix... for about 17 years.

> > I grew up in Tucson. I spent many magical days imbued in the

> > sacredness of the Arizona desert.

> >

> > Also, just as a curiosity... your mention of the Wisdom Horse

> > in the previous post brought to mind the song by America,

> > " A Horse With No Name " . When that came to mind the irony

> > of the title of this thread struck me. And now you mention

> > the desert, which if you know the song...

> >

> > I've been reflecting lately on how what I enjoy most on

> > the couple of lists such as this where I participate is

> > *not* the analyical clarification of nondual points of

> > discussion. What interests me are the gems here and

> > there of wholly organic extrusions of consciousness

> > condensates.

> >

> > It strikes me that words can come forth as an elaboration

> > of thought, as an expression of thought, but also words

> > can come forth in a different way.

> >

> > In the first way words are " about things " .

> > In the second way the words are the thing itself.

> >

> > So, for example, when you wrote, " The Will and the

> > Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse, " that

> > to me is of the second type.

> >

> > It is impossible to analyze such an expression.

> > Someone who doesn't understand the statement may

> > wonder, for example, " who " is it the mounts the horse?

> > Where is this horse? etc.

> >

> > But the statement is not an ordinary statement. It

> > can not be dissected.

> >

> > Those who are into dissecting with their discriminating

> > minds [errr... *discerning* minds :)] will count

> > such statements as that one of yours as mere rubbish,

> > or fantasy, or evidence of self-indulgent delusions.

> >

> > But what this is really about is left-hemisphere

> > dominance vs. right-hemisphere dominance. The left-

> > hemisphere dominant ones basically look down on the

> > right-hemisphere dominant ones as pathetic losers,

> > pipe-dreamers... the wantonly deluded.

> >

> > The right-hemisphere dominant ones tend to look at

> > the left-hemisphere ones as square, out-of-synch,

> > dull, and obsessively morose. You get the idea.

> >

> > There a few of us right-brainers that know how to

> > talk left-brained, and some of us will actually

> > try to get a " message across " to the left-brainers.

> > So far, though, there haven't been notable successes

> > in that arena (as far as I know).

> >

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> Your words here have harmonic rings with me for sure Bill.

> Somtimes the word is of itself. No referrents.but how to say? I'm

> inclined to think anyone who has spent living time on the desert

has

> an " in " as to certain understandings that can only be by look and

> nuance communicated. The Sonaran is a Magnet of Power and Wisdom

and

> Comfort and Joy as I can see you already " know " . MARVELOUS isn't it?

> ........bob

>

 

I believe it is the Power of Aloneness that is so

profound in certain of the deserts. Perhaps other

kinds of wilderness, such as the Arctic, have that

quality as well. But in a forest, or on an ocean,

do you ever *really know* you are totally alone?

 

For me the poignancy of the profound aloneness of

the desert... that and the subtle colors that were

there/not-there... is what stirred me very deeply.

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. "

<Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> <illusyn@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. "

> > <Roberibus111@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

> > > <illusyn@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > <anabebe57@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nulla. zero. nada. nothing.

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > a wo/man without a name, a country,

> > > > > > > > > > a place to call home a statistical variation

> > > > > > > > > > on a theme in a physical reality,

> > > > > > > > > > the numbers never lie you know;

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there are others, I have heard

> > > > > > > > > > who live amoung the clouds and stars

> > > > > > > > > > who walk in peace and call anywhere

> > > > > > > > > > 'home' and sometimes it can be

> > > > > > > > > > said they choose no name for they travel

> > > > > > > > > > lightly, ever-so-lightly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and sometimes these two noOnes meet in Silence

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Non sunt in colei, quia "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Namaste "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Love, Peace and Light,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ana

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John Lennon's " Imagine " comes to mind...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " a statistical variation on a theme... " is

> > > > > > > > > a real delicacy.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > An architexture of stillness you paint...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm falling in love with both the poem of Ana and

> your

> > > > reponse

> > > > > > > > here Bill. An old fool is sometimes a young softy.

> > > > > > > > Thanks folks,

> > > > > > > > .........bob

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > old fool - young softy - Sacred Clown

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note: Learned a bit about Crazy Horse,

> > > > > > > the American Indian chief.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He was what is call by his people a

> > > > > > > Thunder Dreamer, and a Thunder Dreamer

> > > > > > > is one that is a manner of Sacred Clown,

> > > > > > > one who does things the " opposite way " ,

> > > > > > > one who is willing to appear foolish for

> > > > > > > the sake of the people.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And finally, I would like to add, regarding

> > > > > > > Ana's poem: Divine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree again Bill....Ana's poem: Divine. And what can

I

> > say

> > > > about

> > > > > > Crazy Horse? He like 'The Ghost Whisperer " are true

founts

> > and

> > > > > > demonstrators of the Will and the Way of the One who

Mounts

> > the

> > > > > > Wisdom Horse.

> > > > > > .......bob

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You continue to amaze me Bob...

> > > > > I have never heard of The Ghost Whisperer and so

> > > > > did a search. It's a TV show?

> > > > >

> > > > > If so that is another coincidence, as I have been

> > > > > doing some sketches of Jennifer Love Hewitt as

> > > > > practice studies recently. I came across her image

> > > > > and found it intriguing... unique, and ... " something

> > > > > else " elusively undefinable.

> > > > >

> > > > > That last line of yours strikes a direct hit, as

> > > > > far as I am concerned...

> > > > >

> > > > > Will and the Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now isn't that glorious!

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill it is I who am amazed. I guess I don't catch enough

> > > > television! And I thought actually that I watched too much.

As

> a

> > > > young kid I know that I did. After reading your post, I too

did

> a

> > > > search and.. Wild is the Wind!.There is or was a TV show

> > > called 'The

> > > > Ghost Whisperer " And indeed it's of very recent vintage and

has

> > as

> > > > one of the main characters our unique and intriguing Jennifer

> > Love

> > > > Hewitt. Now it could be that I had heard of this show, I

really

> > > don't

> > > > know. I certainly never watched it. An perhaps in hearing of

> the

> > > > show, if indeed that was the case, I subcosciously attuned to

> the

> > > > title and used it in reference to whom I spoke in that post.

In

> > all

> > > > truth I was referring to an individual of my aquaintance long

> > ago,

> > > > who talked without talking. This sounds undiscerning and

> possibly

> > > > impossible or untrue, but it's a fact of my personal history

> that

> > I

> > > > spent a time with this individual and that he communicated in

a

> > > > manner that required and used no verbal aspect whatsoever.

And

> > even

> > > > stranger was the fact that we talked more without the use of

> > > > language, and he transmitted more without it's use, than all

of

> > the

> > > > people and mentors that I had ever known prior to that era of

> > > > aquaintance and somatesthesia we did spend together, in that

> time

> > > and

> > > > desert. Your mentioning of Crazy Horse, of whom I hold great

> > > respect,

> > > > brought this ancient one who befriended me to mind. My usage

of

> > the

> > > > term 'Ghost Whisperer' was used as a descriptive name for who

> he

> > > was

> > > > and how it was he operated.I don't mention his given name nor

> > title

> > > > as firstly he was not one for titles and considered given

names

> > as

> > > > not true names(for reasons that may seem even more bizarre if

I

> > > were

> > > > to get into it), and secondly because he has living blood

> > > > descendents who I still on occasion talk with, and verbally

as

> > well

> > > > in these cases. These younger elements(though older than I)

of

> > his

> > > > line, do not now even live in the same region anymore, and

are

> > not

> > > > themselves inclined to dwell on the past as they still

consider

> > him

> > > > to be present even though gone now many years from

this 'realm'

> > of

> > > > ours. In deference to their wishes to not get involved and to

> not

> > > > involve there father and grandfather, I only ever refer to

him

> in

> > > > metaphorical terms. And at the time of writing that post I

> could

> > > > think of no more fitting a metaphor. I will use other terms

> > > > henceforth as to not cause this confusion. It's funny though.

> And

> > > > it's wild. And it again shows how synchronistic things happen

> > > because

> > > > of causes way outside and beyond our makings. By this

misusage

> of

> > > > mine, we again found ourselves connecting at levels of being-

> > > time.One

> > > > final confession: That last part, " The Will and the Way of

the

> > One

> > > > who Mounts the Wisdom Horse " comes from a teaching within his

> > > kindred

> > > > people and was marked just as such on the ground outside of a

> > house

> > > > of three rooms,with one incandescent lightbulb in only one of

> > those

> > > > rooms, as it's sole ornament beyond utensils for food

> preparation

> > > and

> > > > cooking, and very simple and functional furniture.That abode

> > being

> > > > located on what, at the time, was a Reservation near Phoenix.

> > This

> > > > marking was done each morning on the dry ground and by

evening

> > had

> > > > been blown away. This was a way and a ritual that was

performed

> > by

> > > > him or a family member each newborn day. The markings and the

> > > blowing

> > > > away were more than merely symbolic ..they were the whole of

> Time

> > > and

> > > > sounded the thundering hooves of the Wisdom Horse itself.

> > > > ........bob

> > > >

> > >

> > > I love that story... a story not of this world, as it were.

> > >

> > > Your " invented name " Ghost Whisperer has more resonance on

> > > my end that I can speak of...

> > >

> > > Incidentally, I used to live in Phoenix... for about 17 years.

> > > I grew up in Tucson. I spent many magical days imbued in the

> > > sacredness of the Arizona desert.

> > >

> > > Also, just as a curiosity... your mention of the Wisdom Horse

> > > in the previous post brought to mind the song by America,

> > > " A Horse With No Name " . When that came to mind the irony

> > > of the title of this thread struck me. And now you mention

> > > the desert, which if you know the song...

> > >

> > > I've been reflecting lately on how what I enjoy most on

> > > the couple of lists such as this where I participate is

> > > *not* the analyical clarification of nondual points of

> > > discussion. What interests me are the gems here and

> > > there of wholly organic extrusions of consciousness

> > > condensates.

> > >

> > > It strikes me that words can come forth as an elaboration

> > > of thought, as an expression of thought, but also words

> > > can come forth in a different way.

> > >

> > > In the first way words are " about things " .

> > > In the second way the words are the thing itself.

> > >

> > > So, for example, when you wrote, " The Will and the

> > > Way of the One who Mounts the Wisdom Horse, " that

> > > to me is of the second type.

> > >

> > > It is impossible to analyze such an expression.

> > > Someone who doesn't understand the statement may

> > > wonder, for example, " who " is it the mounts the horse?

> > > Where is this horse? etc.

> > >

> > > But the statement is not an ordinary statement. It

> > > can not be dissected.

> > >

> > > Those who are into dissecting with their discriminating

> > > minds [errr... *discerning* minds :)] will count

> > > such statements as that one of yours as mere rubbish,

> > > or fantasy, or evidence of self-indulgent delusions.

> > >

> > > But what this is really about is left-hemisphere

> > > dominance vs. right-hemisphere dominance. The left-

> > > hemisphere dominant ones basically look down on the

> > > right-hemisphere dominant ones as pathetic losers,

> > > pipe-dreamers... the wantonly deluded.

> > >

> > > The right-hemisphere dominant ones tend to look at

> > > the left-hemisphere ones as square, out-of-synch,

> > > dull, and obsessively morose. You get the idea.

> > >

> > > There a few of us right-brainers that know how to

> > > talk left-brained, and some of us will actually

> > > try to get a " message across " to the left-brainers.

> > > So far, though, there haven't been notable successes

> > > in that arena (as far as I know).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > Your words here have harmonic rings with me for sure Bill.

> > Somtimes the word is of itself. No referrents.but how to say? I'm

> > inclined to think anyone who has spent living time on the desert

> has

> > an " in " as to certain understandings that can only be by look and

> > nuance communicated. The Sonaran is a Magnet of Power and Wisdom

> and

> > Comfort and Joy as I can see you already " know " . MARVELOUS isn't

it?

> > ........bob

> >

>

> I believe it is the Power of Aloneness that is so

> profound in certain of the deserts. Perhaps other

> kinds of wilderness, such as the Arctic, have that

> quality as well. But in a forest, or on an ocean,

> do you ever *really know* you are totally alone?

>

> For me the poignancy of the profound aloneness of

> the desert... that and the subtle colors that were

> there/not-there... is what stirred me very deeply.

>

>

> Bill

>

again I relate and again I agree.

.........bob

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