Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 In a message dated 4/16/2006 5:08:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, illusyn writes: > L: What does " don't you think " mean? ... At this > point, communication ends, I think. > ~~~ > L. has a point. > > The question is not a open question (a true inquiry) > but a rhetorical question, i.e. a statement in > disguise. And like rhetorical questions in general, > there is a summary curtness about it. It does not > openly engage the other party, but rather cuts off, > brings to an end, and with a tone of dismissal, > effectively expressing judgement of the other. > > That being said, it is *very difficult* to cultivate > open, nonjudgemental dialog. Apparently the difficulty > lies in the prevalence of judgemental thinking in the > first place. If there are labels of the other being > formed in the mind (and with each label all the > corresponding baggage) then those attitudes will > sooner or later evidence themselves in the interchange. > > So if judgemental language is showing up in a dialog > the root of discord is always going to be deeper than > the words appearing on the surface. > > If there is discord arising from judgement, to place > the blame on the other party is always astray from the > real root. For to place blame is in itself to make > judgement, so in the very impulse to so place blame is > evidence to oneself that the spirit of discord already > lies within oneself. > > > Bill > > L.E: You took the word right out of my mouth Bill. I couldn't have said it more precisely. But I will add, that Len, as he used that phrase didn't want to hear another word from you. To anyone of interest: Please look up narcissism in google and find out some interesting things about a personality disorder that will help you understand the behaviour of some difficult and unpleasant people. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 In a message dated 4/16/2006 8:55:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:11:56 EDT epston Don't You Think? In a message dated 4/16/2006 5:08:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, illusyn writes: > L: What does " don't you think " mean? ... At this > point, communication ends, I think. > ~~~ > L. has a point. > > The question is not a open question (a true inquiry) > but a rhetorical question, i.e. a statement in > disguise. And like rhetorical questions in general, > there is a summary curtness about it. It does not > openly engage the other party, but rather cuts off, > brings to an end, and with a tone of dismissal, > effectively expressing judgement of the other. > > That being said, it is *very difficult* to cultivate > open, nonjudgemental dialog. Apparently the difficulty > lies in the prevalence of judgemental thinking in the > first place. If there are labels of the other being > formed in the mind (and with each label all the > corresponding baggage) then those attitudes will > sooner or later evidence themselves in the interchange. > > So if judgemental language is showing up in a dialog > the root of discord is always going to be deeper than > the words appearing on the surface. > > If there is discord arising from judgement, to place > the blame on the other party is always astray from the > real root. For to place blame is in itself to make > judgement, so in the very impulse to so place blame is > evidence to oneself that the spirit of discord already > lies within oneself. > > > Bill > > L.E: You took the word right out of my mouth Bill. I couldn't have said it more precisely. But I will add, that Len, as he used that phrase didn't want to hear another word from you. To anyone of interest: Please look up narcissism in google and find out some interesting things about a personality disorder that will help you understand the behaviour of some difficult and unpleasant people. Larry Epston Nice projection, Larry. As far as Bill's perception, It's interesting that out of all your labeling, name calling and judgments, he examines Len's question and perceives it as rhetorical and dismissive. Could it be because it was directed at him? Don't you think that's interesting? (That question is rhetorical and dismissive, BTW) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 In a message dated 4/16/2006 8:34:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > How disingenuous to judge someone's words and then deny responsibility by > claiming it to be a general comment. Bobs angry rants are admirable in > comparison. > > L.E: I suppose you are writing to me and not Bill. I didn't judge his words, I just explained his use of language. Bob's angry and undeserved rants are obnoxious and repulsive to me. If you want to admire his attacks and verbal violence it shows me you are lacking something in kindness as well. And if you want to understand your friend Len, look up narcissism or personality disorder in google. Perhaps it fits you as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Wow! This is great stuff!! Silver Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/16/2006 8:34:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > How disingenuous to judge someone's words and then deny responsibility by > > claiming it to be a general comment. Bobs angry rants are admirable in > > comparison. > > > > > L.E: I suppose you are writing to me and not Bill. I didn't judge his words, > I just explained his use of language. Bob's angry and undeserved rants are > obnoxious and repulsive to me. If you want to admire his attacks and verbal > violence it shows me you are lacking something in kindness as well. And if you > want to understand your friend Len, look up narcissism or personality disorder > in google. Perhaps it fits you as well. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069 wrote: > > Wow! This is great stuff!! > > Silver *********** Larry, have you considered working in the field of psychology? If you have, thank God Ganesh you decided not to! If you haven't, don't and you'll spare the neighbourhood from further mental complications. Silver > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/16/2006 8:34:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB@ > > writes: > > > > > How disingenuous to judge someone's words and then deny > responsibility by > > > claiming it to be a general comment. Bobs angry rants are > admirable in > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > L.E: I suppose you are writing to me and not Bill. I didn't judge > his words, > > I just explained his use of language. Bob's angry and undeserved > rants are > > obnoxious and repulsive to me. If you want to admire his attacks > and verbal > > violence it shows me you are lacking something in kindness as > well. And if you > > want to understand your friend Len, look up narcissism or > personality disorder > > in google. Perhaps it fits you as well. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/16/2006 8:34:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > How disingenuous to judge someone's words and then deny responsibility by > > claiming it to be a general comment. Bobs angry rants are admirable in > > comparison. > > > > > L.E: I suppose you are writing to me and not Bill. I didn't judge his words, > I just explained his use of language. Bob's angry and undeserved rants are > obnoxious and repulsive to me. If you want to admire his attacks and verbal > violence it shows me you are lacking something in kindness as well. And if you > want to understand your friend Len, look up narcissism or personality disorder > in google. Perhaps it fits you as well. > > Oh bullshit you dumbass.. bob > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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