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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > L: What does " don't you think " mean? ... At this

> > > point, communication ends, I think.

> > > ~~~

> > > L. has a point.

> > >

> > > The question is not a open question (a true inquiry)

> > > but a rhetorical question, i.e. a statement in

> > > disguise. And like rhetorical questions in general,

> > > there is a summary curtness about it. It does not

> > > openly engage the other party, but rather cuts off,

> > > brings to an end, and with a tone of dismissal,

> > > effectively expressing judgement of the other.

> > >

> > > That being said, it is *very difficult* to cultivate

> > > open, nonjudgemental dialog. Apparently the difficulty

> > > lies in the prevalence of judgemental thinking in the

> > > first place. If there are labels of the other being

> > > formed in the mind (and with each label all the

> > > corresponding baggage) then those attitudes will

> > > sooner or later evidence themselves in the interchange.

> > >

> > > So if judgemental language is showing up in a dialog

> > > the root of discord is always going to be deeper than

> > > the words appearing on the surface.

> > >

> > > If there is discord arising from judgement, to place

> > > the blame on the other party is always astray from the

> > > real root. For to place blame is in itself to make

> > > judgement, so in the very impulse to so place blame is

> > > evidence to oneself that the spirit of discord already

> > > lies within oneself.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > And placing blame is what you´re doing, now.

> > I´wasn´t asking you a question, but explaining why I don´t see a

> > possibility to communicate with you as long as you don´t question

> > your image system. So, unless you have something relevant to say,

> > which shows some interest in challenging your beliefs, there will

be

> > no communication betwen us. It´s as simple as that.

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> No, I wasn't placing blame. What I said is true and

> stands on its own. I wasn't applying what I said to

> any particular person, including " Len " .

>

> And there are those " you " statements again.

>

> Not interest in what you are selling, sir!

>

> It is very simple, and I do hope you get the message

> this time.

>

> Bill

 

 

As I said: this is a tough part, almost nobody likes it because it

doesn't give one immediate satisfaction.

 

Len

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