Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 In a message dated 4/18/2006 5:43:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: > > This is how it appears to me: > When there is judgment there is projection, the quality which is > judged and denied in oneself is projected outside on somebody else. > When there is no judgment, there is no need for projection and the > observed quality can be seen wherever it appears: in oneself or > outside. There is a difference between stating an obvious fact and > condemning a projected quality. Good communication becomes possible > when there is observation of facts without judgment. > This doesn´t happen very often, because judging and projecting is a > strong human conditioning. But even with the obvious projections, > like Larry accusing and condemning aggresivity in others, it makes > sense to observe ones reaction to it, and to see whether there is > some defensiveness in it, if it is here, it can be observed and > understood. If I feel the need to defend myself psychologically, it > means that there is still some judgmentality about it, otherwise I > wouldn´t bother to react defensively. > Finally it comes down to self-observation, and this is always > possible, no matter whether what somebody else is saying is based on > observation or whether it is simply a judgmental projection of > himself. > > Len > > L.E: Here we observe Len desperately trying to get on-up on Bill. He cannot > finally accept what another is saying but must strive to be the last word, > the final authority. He cannot be found mistaken or wrong because it is not > in his nature to apologize for or to anyone for anything. This is all part of the narissism personality disorder. There is no cure, It can only be played with for amusement or avoided. Bob Nixon has another version of the same problem or personality disorder. He has become inflamed at some small insult and must now relentlessly act against his attacker without mercy or restraint. Thus the repetiveness of his remarks and his obcenity. What is remarkable is that he has an approving audience for his verbal violence. It's like those crowds that huddle around dogs that are attacking each other and enjoying the suffering and violence. Larry Epston > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 In a message dated 4/18/2006 6:18:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lissbon2002 writes: > L.E: Here we observe Len desperately trying to get on-up on > Bill. He cannot > >>finally accept what another is saying but must strive to be the > last word, > >>the final authority. He cannot be found mistaken or wrong > because it is not > >>in his nature to apologize for or to anyone for anything. > >This is all part of the narissism personality disorder. There is > no cure, It > >can only be played with for amusement or avoided. Bob Nixon has > another > >version of the same problem or personality disorder. He has > become inflamed at > >some small insult and must now relentlessly act against his > attacker without > >mercy or restraint. Thus the repetiveness of his remarks and his > obcenity. What > >is remarkable is that he has an approving audience for his verbal > violence. > >It's like those crowds that huddle around dogs that are attacking > each other > >and enjoying the suffering and violence. > > > >Larry Epston > > > OK Larry, you have the last word. > > Len > L.E: Wiggle wiggle little fish. My hook is in your mouth and you have nowhere to hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 5:43:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > > > This is how it appears to me: > > When there is judgment there is projection, the quality which is > > judged and denied in oneself is projected outside on somebody else. > > When there is no judgment, there is no need for projection and the > > observed quality can be seen wherever it appears: in oneself or > > outside. There is a difference between stating an obvious fact and > > condemning a projected quality. Good communication becomes possible > > when there is observation of facts without judgment. > > This doesn´t happen very often, because judging and projecting is a > > strong human conditioning. But even with the obvious projections, > > like Larry accusing and condemning aggresivity in others, it makes > > sense to observe ones reaction to it, and to see whether there is > > some defensiveness in it, if it is here, it can be observed and > > understood. If I feel the need to defend myself psychologically, it > > means that there is still some judgmentality about it, otherwise I > > wouldn´t bother to react defensively. > > Finally it comes down to self-observation, and this is always > > possible, no matter whether what somebody else is saying is based on > > observation or whether it is simply a judgmental projection of > > himself. > > > > Len > > > > L.E: Here we observe Len desperately trying to get on-up on Bill. He cannot > > finally accept what another is saying but must strive to be the last word, > > the final authority. He cannot be found mistaken or wrong because it is not > > in his nature to apologize for or to anyone for anything. > This is all part of the narissism personality disorder. There is no cure, It > can only be played with for amusement or avoided. Bob Nixon has another > version of the same problem or personality disorder. He has become inflamed at > some small insult and must now relentlessly act against his attacker without > mercy or restraint. Thus the repetiveness of his remarks and his obcenity. What > is remarkable is that he has an approving audience for his verbal violence. > It's like those crowds that huddle around dogs that are attacking each other > and enjoying the suffering and violence. > > Larry Epston OK Larry, you have the last word. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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