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In a message dated 4/18/2006 6:34:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

dennis_travis33 writes:

 

> L.E: You are mistaken Marc.

> >>I am simultaneously like the ocean and the drop.

> >>And so are you except I know it, and you don't.

> >>

> >>

> >LOL

> >

> >yes....that's the drop " Larry " speaking.....

> >

> >Larry.....you know nothing still......except few theories and

> >concepts.....that you try hard to apply

> >

> >Marc

>

> Ps: if you knew.....why don't write about this " ocean " you are

> dreaming to be......

> instead to share all the time your ignorance with other ignorant

> people in here

>

> L.E: There is nothing to say about the absolute or ultimate reality. It

exists, I exist, we exist. Or, it doesn't exist, I don't exist, we don't exist.

But there you are. Are you satisfied? Are you included in all the ignorant

people in here, or are you the one exception? What do you find so interesting

that you continue to hang around?

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/18/2006 6:59:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

dennis_travis33 writes:

 

> Larry....i told you.......there is a great show going on in here....:)

>

> do you think that " knowledge " belong to somebody.....to " Larry " ....or

> to " Marc " ....or to " whoever " ....?

>

> one can open the mind to This knowledge.....and find out

> that " knowledge " belong to everything and everyone.....

>

> ...just like there is a whole ocean......living within everyone....

>

> it's true, Larry......your Self....just like the Self of all

> appearent " others " is realised......is Same.....Is pure

> knowledge......and existence

>

> nobody ever reached the Self.......but appearent people loose and

> lost their " ignorance " ....about themSelf

>

> Marc

>

L.E: So you are here to watch the show, as a spectator or viewer who is above

and not part of the action which is down below, in the arena where the

ignorant are fighting with each other and you are separate and watching from

above.

Is that your position Marc?

 

Marc: nobody ever reached the Self.......but appearent people loose and

lost their " ignorance " ....about themSelf

 

L.E: I agree nobody can reach the Self, but we can be the Self. And we can

lose our ignorance about our self and realize our unity and oneness with the

SELF, the great ocean of Life, Reality, the Absolute.

But it is only your illusion that you are watching the show and are not

involved in the show. You too are the show and are not separate from it.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:31:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

dennis_travis33 writes:

 

> Larry......yes, the show enclude fights.....

>

> the one " who " feel enclude in a fight is already lost......

>

> and may appear ....again......sometime later.......in a better light

>

> Marc

>

L.E: No one is actually lost. We are all included whether we know it or

accept it or not.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:48:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

dennis_travis33 writes:

 

> this make you the new score of:

>

> Larry : Self 7 : 0

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: next score will be ....if you continue nicely to included everyone

> in everything....and everything....in everyone

>

> Larry : Self 6 : 0

>

>

 

L.E: Dear Marc,

I have no idea what you mean, or where you are coming from, what your idea or

point is except that is seems to find what I am saying wrong and mistaken.

If that's your view, so be it. You are not explaining yourself, or as I said I

don't know what you are saying.

And again, what does LOL mean?

Is that too hard to answer?

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/18/2006 6:34:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> dennis_travis33 writes:

>

> > L.E: You are mistaken Marc.

> > >>I am simultaneously like the ocean and the drop.

> > >>And so are you except I know it, and you don't.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >LOL

> > >

> > >yes....that's the drop " Larry " speaking.....

> > >

> > >Larry.....you know nothing still......except few theories and

> > >concepts.....that you try hard to apply

> > >

> > >Marc

> >

> > Ps: if you knew.....why don't write about this " ocean " you are

> > dreaming to be......

> > instead to share all the time your ignorance with other ignorant

> > people in here

> >

> > L.E: There is nothing to say about the absolute or ultimate

reality. It

> exists, I exist, we exist. Or, it doesn't exist, I don't exist, we

don't exist.

> But there you are. Are you satisfied? Are you included in all the

ignorant

> people in here, or are you the one exception? What do you find so

interesting

> that you continue to hang around?

>

>

.....why to " hang around " ?....

 

Larry....i told you.......there is a great show going on in here....:)

 

do you think that " knowledge " belong to somebody.....to " Larry " ....or

to " Marc " ....or to " whoever " ....?

 

one can open the mind to This knowledge.....and find out

that " knowledge " belong to everything and everyone.....

 

....just like there is a whole ocean......living within everyone....

 

it's true, Larry......your Self....just like the Self of all

appearent " others " is realised......is Same.....Is pure

knowledge......and existence

 

nobody ever reached the Self.......but appearent people loose and

lost their " ignorance " ....about themSelf

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/18/2006 6:59:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> dennis_travis33 writes:

>

> > Larry....i told you.......there is a great show going on in

here....:)

> >

> > do you think that " knowledge " belong to

somebody.....to " Larry " ....or

> > to " Marc " ....or to " whoever " ....?

> >

> > one can open the mind to This knowledge.....and find out

> > that " knowledge " belong to everything and everyone.....

> >

> > ...just like there is a whole ocean......living within

everyone....

> >

> > it's true, Larry......your Self....just like the Self of all

> > appearent " others " is realised......is Same.....Is pure

> > knowledge......and existence

> >

> > nobody ever reached the Self.......but appearent people loose and

> > lost their " ignorance " ....about themSelf

> >

> > Marc

> >

> L.E: So you are here to watch the show, as a spectator or viewer

who is above

> and not part of the action which is down below, in the arena where

the

> ignorant are fighting with each other and you are separate and

watching from above.

> Is that your position Marc?

 

 

what is the position of a drop......?

what is the position of an ocean....?

 

(i thought that for you.....there is only " ocean " )

 

so why this question?.......

 

you could also ask if i brushed the teeth already today....

 

 

 

>

> Marc: nobody ever reached the Self.......but appearent people loose

and

> lost their " ignorance " ....about themSelf

>

> L.E: I agree nobody can reach the Self, but we can be the Self.

And we can

> lose our ignorance about our self and realize our unity and oneness

with the

> SELF, the great ocean of Life, Reality, the Absolute.

> But it is only your illusion that you are watching the show and are

not

> involved in the show. You too are the show and are not separate

from it.

 

true....nobody is excluded in the show in here....:)

 

Larry......yes, the show enclude fights.....

 

the one " who " feel enclude in a fight is already lost......

 

and may appear ....again......sometime later.......in a better light

 

Marc

 

>

>

>

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:31:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> dennis_travis33 writes:

>

> > Larry......yes, the show enclude fights.....

> >

> > the one " who " feel enclude in a fight is already lost......

> >

> > and may appear ....again......sometime later.......in a better light

> >

> > Marc

> >

> L.E: No one is actually lost. We are all included whether we know it

or

> accept it or not.

>

>

this make you the new score of:

 

Larry : Self 7 : 0

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: next score will be ....if you continue nicely to included everyone

in everything....and everything....in everyone

 

Larry : Self 6 : 0

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:48:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> dennis_travis33 writes:

>

> > this make you the new score of:

> >

> > Larry : Self 7 : 0

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: next score will be ....if you continue nicely to included

everyone

> > in everything....and everything....in everyone

> >

> > Larry : Self 6 : 0

> >

> >

>

> L.E: Dear Marc,

> I have no idea what you mean, or where you are coming from, what

your idea or

> point is except that is seems to find what I am saying wrong and

mistaken.

> If that's your view, so be it. You are not explaining yourself, or

as I said I

> don't know what you are saying.

> And again, what does LOL mean?

> Is that too hard to answer?

>

>

Larry.....yes, it seem that you have no idea about " who " this people

are....to whom you are writing and talking....

 

how could you know....if you don't know " who " yourSelf is

 

about your score:

 

the Self itself don't write and fight with anybody......the Self Is

 

here and now......formless, changless, infinite

 

without Self....you couldn't fight with anybody.....because you would

not exist

 

this your feeling to fight and teach here in words and letters and

concepts and theories and whatever.......is the feeling of an

ignorant ego-mind " who " don't know that the only " fight " existing in

life....is the fight against/to/with/by oneSelf

 

wish a great and wonderful day Larry

 

Marc

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