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Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about

Nisargadatta´s important words.

But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2,

maybe 3 people.

Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

Warmest regards to everyone,

Claudia

 

 

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<Nisargadatta >

<Nisargadatta >

Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:58 PM

Digest Number 2657

 

 

There are 25 messages in this issue.

 

Topics in this digest:

 

1. Re: The Ocean & Ignorance

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

2. Re: LOL?

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

3. Re: Real Giving-Up

epston

4. Re: Real Giving-Up

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

5. Re: Real Giving-Up

" bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

6. Re: The Ocean & Ignorance

epston

7. Re: LOL?

epston

8. Re: Real Giving-Up

epston

9. Re: Real Giving-Up

epston

10. Relaxing thoughts thought while relaxing

" Bob N. " <Roberibus111

11. Re: What Is My Body?

" s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

12. Re: The Verbal Life

" s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

13. Re: Did " K " have a loved one; and " sacredness "

" billrishel " <illusyn

14. Re: What Is My Body?

epston

15. Re: Sacred/Non-Sacred

epston

16. Re: Sacred/Non-Sacred

OConnor Patricia <gdtige

17. Re: The Verbal Life

" lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

18. Re: The Verbal Life

" anabebe57 " <anabebe57

19. Love

" anabebe57 " <anabebe57

20. Re: behind the mind

ADHHUB

21. Re: Narcissism: Check It Out!

ADHHUB

22. To Len You Jerk!

epston

23. Larry Is Rediculous.

epston

24. Truth has no continuity

" billrishel " <illusyn

25. Re: Judgement and Open Dialog (((Re: Acceptance ./L

ADHHUB

 

 

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Message: 1

Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:46:44 -0000

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

Re: The Ocean & Ignorance

 

Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:31:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> dennis_travis33 writes:

>

> > Larry......yes, the show enclude fights.....

> >

> > the one " who " feel enclude in a fight is already lost......

> >

> > and may appear ....again......sometime later.......in a better light

> >

> > Marc

> >

> L.E: No one is actually lost. We are all included whether we know it

or

> accept it or not.

>

>

this make you the new score of:

 

Larry : Self 7 : 0

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: next score will be ....if you continue nicely to included everyone

in everything....and everything....in everyone

 

Larry : Self 6 : 0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:48:04 -0000

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

Re: LOL?

 

Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:36:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> dennis_travis33 writes:

>

> > LOL

>

> L.E; Does LOL mean lots of love or lots of luck?

>

>

Larry......you are the One Love......like whole of your described

universe Is your luck already

 

:)

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

 

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Message: 3

Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:55 EDT

epston

Re: Real Giving-Up

 

In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:37:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

bigwaaba writes:

 

> " Spiritual maturity is being ready to let go everything.

> Giving up is a first step, but real giving-up is the insight that

> there's nothing to be given up, since nothing is your property. "

>

> --Sri nisargadatta

>

L.E: And what is real-real-giving-up?

That nobody owns anything and is everything?

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

<rio70200 wrote:

>

> Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion

about

> Nisargadatta´s important words.

> But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

between 2,

> maybe 3 people.

> Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

> Warmest regards to everyone,

> Claudia

>

>

maybe you joined at a little troubled moment....

 

it seem that there will be calmness and order again soon in the

group......

 

wish a nice stay

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

<rio70200 wrote:

>

> Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion

about

> Nisargadatta´s important words.

> But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

between 2,

> maybe 3 people.

> Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

> Warmest regards to everyone,

> Claudia

 

 

 

What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions

showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their

reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological

reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it

can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the

observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want

to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off.

As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self-

defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express

this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is

impossible.

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

> <rio70200@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy

discussion

> about

> > Nisargadatta´s important words.

> > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

> between 2,

> > maybe 3 people.

> > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the

forum.

> > Warmest regards to everyone,

> > Claudia

> >

> >

> maybe you joined at a little troubled moment....

>

> it seem that there will be calmness and order again soon in the

> group......

>

> wish a nice stay

>

> Marc

 

 

Ps: it's sure that the words of some Masters like Nisargadatta has

endless more value than this ego-minded discussions in here....

 

whoever is searching for " real " talk....maybe need to meet with a

realised person.....someone who not only " know " the truth......but

realised it in whole of body-mind-intellect....

 

someone who can accept the world....like it Is......

because this " someone " has nothing anymore in common with the

appearent world...

 

 

>

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Hi Claudia,

 

Riding always the same horse gets boring. You just arrived when some

members tried some different riding style :)

 

But if you want to discuss some questions about Niz you will see that

there are enough members being pleased to help you out.

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

<rio70200 wrote:

>

> Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion

about

> Nisargadatta´s important words.

> But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

between 2,

> maybe 3 people.

> Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

> Warmest regards to everyone,

> Claudia

>

>

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

> <rio70200@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion

> about

> > Nisargadatta´s important words.

> > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

> between 2,

> > maybe 3 people.

> > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

> > Warmest regards to everyone,

> > Claudia

>

>

>

> What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions

> showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their

> reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological

> reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it

> can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the

> observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want

> to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off.

> As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self-

> defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express

> this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is

> impossible.

>

> Len

 

True inquiry is a sudden shock to the system, so to speak, because the

system is geared toward intentional movement of energy.

 

Inquiry doesn't involve a predetermined intent -- nor moving energy

out toward someone else, nor inward to some kind of inner experience

or inner harmony.

 

Inquiry is not done by the self system to get something, the inquiry

is of the system, is understanding how the systemn constitutes as " self. "

 

-- Dan

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--- Claudia Cavalcanti <rio70200 a

écrit :

 

 

 

Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a

healthy discussion about

Nisargadatta´s important words.

But the last four daily digests are full of insulting

messages between 2,

maybe 3 people.

Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea

of the forum.

Warmest regards to everyone,

Claudia

 

 

Welcome Claudia, you`ve hit the bottom of the wave, I

can assure you that it won`t get any lower on this

list.

I`d love to hear your comments and inquiries about

Niz.

 

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:11:00 -0300

" Claudia Cavalcanti " <rio70200

What kind of forum is this?

 

Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about

Nisargadatta´s important words.

But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2,

maybe 3 people.

Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

Warmest regards to everyone,

Claudia

 

 

 

Your timing is remarkable, Claudia. Hehe.

I'm trying to convince folks that I'm closer to God than the others here,

and so lemme explain what I think happened here. For the last week or so, we've

(mostly Len and I) been discussing ego and it's hidden processes of self

deception. It was a useful discussion but the topic of ego makes some folks very

uncomfy and so this discomfort touched off some brush fires. However, from my

perspective, there's as much potential, if not more, in exploring our ego

reactions than what normally goes on here. In any case, I'm sure it will return

to 'normal' soon, so hang around.

 

BTW, I usually refer to this forum as the " Guru forum " . The other day, I

made a Freudian slip, and accidentally called it the " Ego forum " . Guru, Ego,

sounds similar. Coulda happened to anybody, right? :)

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:57:42 -0000

" lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

Re: What kind of forum is this?

 

Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

<rio70200 wrote:

>

> Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion

about

> Nisargadatta´s important words.

> But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

between 2,

> maybe 3 people.

> Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

> Warmest regards to everyone,

> Claudia

 

 

 

What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions

showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their

reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological

reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it

can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the

observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want

to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off.

As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self-

defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express

this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is

impossible.

 

Len

 

 

 

Yes. Well said, and simple enough to understand if only there is an interest

in doing so.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:17:16 -0000

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

Re: What kind of forum is this?

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

> <rio70200@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy

discussion

> about

> > Nisargadatta´s important words.

> > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

> between 2,

> > maybe 3 people.

> > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the

forum.

> > Warmest regards to everyone,

> > Claudia

> >

> >

> maybe you joined at a little troubled moment....

>

> it seem that there will be calmness and order again soon in the

> group......

>

> wish a nice stay

>

> Marc

 

 

Ps: it's sure that the words of some Masters like Nisargadatta has

endless more value than this ego-minded discussions in here....

 

whoever is searching for " real " talk....maybe need to meet with a

realised person.....someone who not only " know " the truth......but

realised it in whole of body-mind-intellect....

 

someone who can accept the world....like it Is......

because this " someone " has nothing anymore in common with the

appearent world...

 

 

 

More often than not, folks will bypass the essential " ego-minded " work and

attempt to explore Truth, only to find that such exploration is sabotaged by

the ego. That's all that's occurring here, and so the 'work' is being done in

spite of the insistence that it's not meaningful. That's a glimpse at the

perfection.

 

It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no such thing

as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be because they are

creating their own experiences.

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:06:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB

writes:

 

> In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:57:42 -0000

> " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

> Re: What kind of forum is this?

>

> Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

> <rio70200 wrote:

> >

> >Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> >I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion

> about

> >Nisargadatta´s important words.

> >But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

> between 2,

> > maybe 3 people.

> >Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

> >Warmest regards to everyone,

> > Claudia

>

>

>

> What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions

> showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their

> reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological

> reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it

> can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the

> observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want

> to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off.

> As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self-

> defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express

> this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is

> impossible.

>

> Len

>

>

>

> Yes. Well said, and simple enough to understand if only there is an

> interest

> in doing so.

>

>

L.E: Claudia is seeing what is and telling you as it is.

Bob was a destructive influence and filled every comment I made with his

rude, obscene and insulting remarks. Len and Silver and perhaps you backed him

up

and supported his abuse. It's all in print and Claudia read it all. Don't

try to hide the reality of what was going on, because you can't.

Once Bob saw he couldn't continue his nasty abuse, he had nothing more to

offer and left the list, and I am sure glad about that.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB

writes:

 

> It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no such thing

>

> as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be because they are

> creating their own experiences.

 

L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you create such a

painful experience that ended your life?

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/20/2006 12:28:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:22:54 EDT

epston

Re: What kind of forum is this?

 

In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

ADHHUB

writes:

 

> It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no such

thing

>

> as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be because they are

 

> creating their own experiences.

 

L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you create such

a

painful experience that ended your life?

 

 

 

Death is not an accident.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/20/2006 12:28:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:20:02 EDT

epston

Re: What kind of forum is this?

 

In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:06:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

ADHHUB

writes:

 

> In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:57:42 -0000

> " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

> Re: What kind of forum is this?

>

> Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

> <rio70200 wrote:

> >

> >Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> >I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion

> about

> >Nisargadatta´s important words.

> >But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

> between 2,

> > maybe 3 people.

> >Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

> >Warmest regards to everyone,

> > Claudia

>

>

>

> What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions

> showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their

> reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological

> reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it

> can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the

> observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want

> to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off.

> As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self-

> defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express

> this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is

> impossible.

>

> Len

>

>

>

> Yes. Well said, and simple enough to understand if only there is an

> interest

> in doing so.

>

>

L.E: Claudia is seeing what is and telling you as it is.

Bob was a destructive influence and filled every comment I made with his

rude, obscene and insulting remarks. Len and Silver and perhaps you backed

him up

and supported his abuse. It's all in print and Claudia read it all. Don't

try to hide the reality of what was going on, because you can't.

Once Bob saw he couldn't continue his nasty abuse, he had nothing more to

offer and left the list, and I am sure glad about that.

 

 

 

Maybe you didn't understand Len's comments. Nobody's trying to hide what

happened, although some are not taking responsibility.

 

 

 

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Get out now while you still have your sanity in tact, Claudia.

 

Rayvin

 

Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

<rio70200 wrote:

>

> Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion

about

> Nisargadatta´s important words.

> But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

between 2,

> maybe 3 people.

> Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum.

> Warmest regards to everyone,

> Claudia

>

>

> -

> <Nisargadatta >

> <Nisargadatta >

> Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:58 PM

> Digest Number 2657

>

>

> There are 25 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Re: The Ocean & Ignorance

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

> 2. Re: LOL?

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

> 3. Re: Real Giving-Up

> epston

> 4. Re: Real Giving-Up

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

> 5. Re: Real Giving-Up

> " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

> 6. Re: The Ocean & Ignorance

> epston

> 7. Re: LOL?

> epston

> 8. Re: Real Giving-Up

> epston

> 9. Re: Real Giving-Up

> epston

> 10. Relaxing thoughts thought while relaxing

> " Bob N. " <Roberibus111

> 11. Re: What Is My Body?

> " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

> 12. Re: The Verbal Life

> " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

> 13. Re: Did " K " have a loved one; and " sacredness "

> " billrishel " <illusyn

> 14. Re: What Is My Body?

> epston

> 15. Re: Sacred/Non-Sacred

> epston

> 16. Re: Sacred/Non-Sacred

> OConnor Patricia <gdtige

> 17. Re: The Verbal Life

> " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

> 18. Re: The Verbal Life

> " anabebe57 " <anabebe57

> 19. Love

> " anabebe57 " <anabebe57

> 20. Re: behind the mind

> ADHHUB

> 21. Re: Narcissism: Check It Out!

> ADHHUB

> 22. To Len You Jerk!

> epston

> 23. Larry Is Rediculous.

> epston

> 24. Truth has no continuity

> " billrishel " <illusyn

> 25. Re: Judgement and Open Dialog (((Re: Acceptance ./L

> ADHHUB

>

>

>

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> Message: 1

> Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:46:44 -0000

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

> Re: The Ocean & Ignorance

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:31:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > dennis_travis33@ writes:

> >

> > > Larry......yes, the show enclude fights.....

> > >

> > > the one " who " feel enclude in a fight is already lost......

> > >

> > > and may appear ....again......sometime later.......in a better

light

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > L.E: No one is actually lost. We are all included whether we

know it

> or

> > accept it or not.

> >

> >

> this make you the new score of:

>

> Larry : Self 7 : 0

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: next score will be ....if you continue nicely to included

everyone

> in everything....and everything....in everyone

>

> Larry : Self 6 : 0

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

> Message: 2

> Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:48:04 -0000

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

> Re: LOL?

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:36:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > dennis_travis33@ writes:

> >

> > > LOL

> >

> > L.E; Does LOL mean lots of love or lots of luck?

> >

> >

> Larry......you are the One Love......like whole of your described

> universe Is your luck already

>

> :)

>

> Marc

>

>

>

>

>

>

___________________

___

>

___________________

___

>

> Message: 3

> Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:55 EDT

> epston

> Re: Real Giving-Up

>

> In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:37:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> bigwaaba writes:

>

> > " Spiritual maturity is being ready to let go everything.

> > Giving up is a first step, but real giving-up is the insight that

> > there's nothing to be given up, since nothing is your property. "

> >

> > --Sri nisargadatta

> >

> L.E: And what is real-real-giving-up?

> That nobody owns anything and is everything?

>

>

>

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

 

 

> BTW, I usually refer to this forum as the " Guru forum " . The other

day, I

> made a Freudian slip, and accidentally called it the " Ego forum " .

Guru, Ego,

> sounds similar. Coulda happened to anybody, right? :)

 

 

 

LOL!

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

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>

> In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:57:42 -0000

> " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

> Re: What kind of forum is this?

>

> Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti "

> <rio70200@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil.

> > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy

discussion

> about

> > Nisargadatta´s important words.

> > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages

> between 2,

> > maybe 3 people.

> > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the

forum.

> > Warmest regards to everyone,

> > Claudia

>

>

>

> What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions

> showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their

> reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological

> reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it

> can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the

> observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather

want

> to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off.

> As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self-

> defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to

express

> this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is

> impossible.

>

> Len

>

>

>

> Yes. Well said, and simple enough to understand if only there is

an interest

> in doing so.

 

 

Unfortunately, so called " spirituality " is an ego movement, and so

called inquiry comes down to acting out ones self-importance.

Very few people seem to be genuinely interested in understanding.

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

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> In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

ADHHUB

> writes:

>

> > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no

such thing

> >

> > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be

because they are

> > creating their own experiences.

 

 

 

> L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you

create such a

> painful experience that ended your life?

 

 

 

 

He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience.

Why did you do that? ;-)

 

Len

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> Unfortunately, so called " spirituality " is an ego movement, and so

> called inquiry comes down to acting out ones self-importance.

> Very few people seem to be genuinely interested in understanding.

>

> Len

 

I agree.

 

It's the train wreck that human beings call " my life and the one who

is going through it. "

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> ADHHUB@

> > writes:

> >

> > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is

no

> such thing

> > >

> > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be

> because they are

> > > creating their own experiences.

>

>

>

> > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you

> create such a

> > painful experience that ended your life?

>

>

>

>

> He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience.

> Why did you do that? ;-)

>

> Len

 

to the point Len!

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> ADHHUB@

> > writes:

> >

> > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is

no

> such thing

> > >

> > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be

> because they are

> > > creating their own experiences.

>

>

>

> > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you

> create such a

> > painful experience that ended your life?

>

>

>

>

> He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience.

> Why did you do that? ;-)

>

> Len

>

 

Good point.

And isn't any assessment of another's state of spiritual

poverty a similar sort of fantasy?

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > ADHHUB@

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is

> no

> > such thing

> > > >

> > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be

> > because they are

> > > > creating their own experiences.

> >

> >

> >

> > > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you

> > create such a

> > > painful experience that ended your life?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience.

> > Why did you do that? ;-)

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> Good point.

> And isn't any assessment of another's state of spiritual

> poverty a similar sort of fantasy?

>

> Bill

>

 

Hi Bill,

 

here in those words of " yours "

there is no creation of painful experience or assessment of poverty.

just a question i see

and the question seems to refer to an image called Bill here

but knowing this is NOT the case

i left the question to itself

and aswer you as you know yourself to be

 

:-)

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In a message dated 4/21/2006 10:19:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

lastrain writes:

 

>

>

>

> Indeed.

>

> The so called self is nothing other then solidified thought...It is

> this clot of mnemonic debris that seeks to understand itself.

>

>

> And the only tools it has in this attempt...is its own imagined past.

>

> Funny picture huh?

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

L.E: Obviously you have no respect for the self which some religious persons

would say was created or exists to worship and give thanks to god.

Of course, I wouldn't say that. And certainly you wouldn't either.

But I agree that the self cannot understand itself, it can only be itself,

and that is its struggle.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/21/2006 8:25:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:06:34 -0000

" billrishel " <illusyn

Re: What kind of forum is this?

 

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> ADHHUB@

> > writes:

> >

> > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is

no

> such thing

> > >

> > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be

> because they are

> > > creating their own experiences.

>

>

>

> > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you

> create such a

> > painful experience that ended your life?

>

>

>

>

> He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience.

> Why did you do that? ;-)

>

> Len

>

 

Good point.

And isn't any assessment of another's state of spiritual

poverty a similar sort of fantasy?

 

Bill

 

 

 

Yes, it is, but it's an inevitable creation resulting from a perceptual

focus on spiritual awareness, which is dualistic. It's only a problem if it's

struggled with. Simply noting it amounts to self inquiry.

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > ADHHUB@

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There

is

> no

> > such thing

> > > >

> > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be

> > because they are

> > > > creating their own experiences.

> >

> >

> >

> > > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did

you

> > create such a

> > > painful experience that ended your life?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience.

> > Why did you do that? ;-)

> >

> > Len

>

> to the point Len!

 

 

To the point for everybody except Larry ;-)

 

Len

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