Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about Nisargadatta´s important words. But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2, maybe 3 people. Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. Warmest regards to everyone, Claudia - <Nisargadatta > <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:58 PM Digest Number 2657 There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: The Ocean & Ignorance " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 2. Re: LOL? " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 3. Re: Real Giving-Up epston 4. Re: Real Giving-Up " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 5. Re: Real Giving-Up " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba 6. Re: The Ocean & Ignorance epston 7. Re: LOL? epston 8. Re: Real Giving-Up epston 9. Re: Real Giving-Up epston 10. Relaxing thoughts thought while relaxing " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 11. Re: What Is My Body? " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 12. Re: The Verbal Life " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 13. Re: Did " K " have a loved one; and " sacredness " " billrishel " <illusyn 14. Re: What Is My Body? epston 15. Re: Sacred/Non-Sacred epston 16. Re: Sacred/Non-Sacred OConnor Patricia <gdtige 17. Re: The Verbal Life " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 18. Re: The Verbal Life " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 19. Love " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 20. Re: behind the mind ADHHUB 21. Re: Narcissism: Check It Out! ADHHUB 22. To Len You Jerk! epston 23. Larry Is Rediculous. epston 24. Truth has no continuity " billrishel " <illusyn 25. Re: Judgement and Open Dialog (((Re: Acceptance ./L ADHHUB ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:46:44 -0000 " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: The Ocean & Ignorance Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:31:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > dennis_travis33 writes: > > > Larry......yes, the show enclude fights..... > > > > the one " who " feel enclude in a fight is already lost...... > > > > and may appear ....again......sometime later.......in a better light > > > > Marc > > > L.E: No one is actually lost. We are all included whether we know it or > accept it or not. > > this make you the new score of: Larry : Self 7 : 0 Marc Ps: next score will be ....if you continue nicely to included everyone in everything....and everything....in everyone Larry : Self 6 : 0 ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:48:04 -0000 " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: LOL? Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:36:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > dennis_travis33 writes: > > > LOL > > L.E; Does LOL mean lots of love or lots of luck? > > Larry......you are the One Love......like whole of your described universe Is your luck already Marc ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:55 EDT epston Re: Real Giving-Up In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:37:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bigwaaba writes: > " Spiritual maturity is being ready to let go everything. > Giving up is a first step, but real giving-up is the insight that > there's nothing to be given up, since nothing is your property. " > > --Sri nisargadatta > L.E: And what is real-real-giving-up? That nobody owns anything and is everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " <rio70200 wrote: > > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about > Nisargadatta´s important words. > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2, > maybe 3 people. > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > Warmest regards to everyone, > Claudia > > maybe you joined at a little troubled moment.... it seem that there will be calmness and order again soon in the group...... wish a nice stay Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " <rio70200 wrote: > > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about > Nisargadatta´s important words. > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2, > maybe 3 people. > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > Warmest regards to everyone, > Claudia What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off. As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self- defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is impossible. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " > <rio70200@> wrote: > > > > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion > about > > Nisargadatta´s important words. > > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages > between 2, > > maybe 3 people. > > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > > Warmest regards to everyone, > > Claudia > > > > > maybe you joined at a little troubled moment.... > > it seem that there will be calmness and order again soon in the > group...... > > wish a nice stay > > Marc Ps: it's sure that the words of some Masters like Nisargadatta has endless more value than this ego-minded discussions in here.... whoever is searching for " real " talk....maybe need to meet with a realised person.....someone who not only " know " the truth......but realised it in whole of body-mind-intellect.... someone who can accept the world....like it Is...... because this " someone " has nothing anymore in common with the appearent world... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Hi Claudia, Riding always the same horse gets boring. You just arrived when some members tried some different riding style But if you want to discuss some questions about Niz you will see that there are enough members being pleased to help you out. Werner Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " <rio70200 wrote: > > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about > Nisargadatta´s important words. > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2, > maybe 3 people. > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > Warmest regards to everyone, > Claudia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " > <rio70200@> wrote: > > > > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion > about > > Nisargadatta´s important words. > > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages > between 2, > > maybe 3 people. > > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > > Warmest regards to everyone, > > Claudia > > > > What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions > showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their > reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological > reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it > can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the > observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want > to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off. > As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self- > defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express > this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is > impossible. > > Len True inquiry is a sudden shock to the system, so to speak, because the system is geared toward intentional movement of energy. Inquiry doesn't involve a predetermined intent -- nor moving energy out toward someone else, nor inward to some kind of inner experience or inner harmony. Inquiry is not done by the self system to get something, the inquiry is of the system, is understanding how the systemn constitutes as " self. " -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 --- Claudia Cavalcanti <rio70200 a écrit : Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about Nisargadatta´s important words. But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2, maybe 3 people. Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. Warmest regards to everyone, Claudia Welcome Claudia, you`ve hit the bottom of the wave, I can assure you that it won`t get any lower on this list. I`d love to hear your comments and inquiries about Niz. Patricia _________________________ Faites de votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver directement vos services préférés : vérifiez vos nouveaux mails, lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualité en temps réel. Rendez-vous sur http://fr./set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:11:00 -0300 " Claudia Cavalcanti " <rio70200 What kind of forum is this? Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about Nisargadatta´s important words. But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2, maybe 3 people. Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. Warmest regards to everyone, Claudia Your timing is remarkable, Claudia. Hehe. I'm trying to convince folks that I'm closer to God than the others here, and so lemme explain what I think happened here. For the last week or so, we've (mostly Len and I) been discussing ego and it's hidden processes of self deception. It was a useful discussion but the topic of ego makes some folks very uncomfy and so this discomfort touched off some brush fires. However, from my perspective, there's as much potential, if not more, in exploring our ego reactions than what normally goes on here. In any case, I'm sure it will return to 'normal' soon, so hang around. BTW, I usually refer to this forum as the " Guru forum " . The other day, I made a Freudian slip, and accidentally called it the " Ego forum " . Guru, Ego, sounds similar. Coulda happened to anybody, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:57:42 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: What kind of forum is this? Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " <rio70200 wrote: > > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about > Nisargadatta´s important words. > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2, > maybe 3 people. > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > Warmest regards to everyone, > Claudia What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off. As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self- defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is impossible. Len Yes. Well said, and simple enough to understand if only there is an interest in doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:17:16 -0000 " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: What kind of forum is this? Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " > <rio70200@> wrote: > > > > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion > about > > Nisargadatta´s important words. > > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages > between 2, > > maybe 3 people. > > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > > Warmest regards to everyone, > > Claudia > > > > > maybe you joined at a little troubled moment.... > > it seem that there will be calmness and order again soon in the > group...... > > wish a nice stay > > Marc Ps: it's sure that the words of some Masters like Nisargadatta has endless more value than this ego-minded discussions in here.... whoever is searching for " real " talk....maybe need to meet with a realised person.....someone who not only " know " the truth......but realised it in whole of body-mind-intellect.... someone who can accept the world....like it Is...... because this " someone " has nothing anymore in common with the appearent world... More often than not, folks will bypass the essential " ego-minded " work and attempt to explore Truth, only to find that such exploration is sabotaged by the ego. That's all that's occurring here, and so the 'work' is being done in spite of the insistence that it's not meaningful. That's a glimpse at the perfection. It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no such thing as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be because they are creating their own experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:06:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:57:42 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: What kind of forum is this? > > Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " > <rio70200 wrote: > > > >Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > >I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion > about > >Nisargadatta´s important words. > >But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages > between 2, > > maybe 3 people. > >Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > >Warmest regards to everyone, > > Claudia > > > > What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions > showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their > reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological > reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it > can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the > observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want > to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off. > As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self- > defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express > this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is > impossible. > > Len > > > > Yes. Well said, and simple enough to understand if only there is an > interest > in doing so. > > L.E: Claudia is seeing what is and telling you as it is. Bob was a destructive influence and filled every comment I made with his rude, obscene and insulting remarks. Len and Silver and perhaps you backed him up and supported his abuse. It's all in print and Claudia read it all. Don't try to hide the reality of what was going on, because you can't. Once Bob saw he couldn't continue his nasty abuse, he had nothing more to offer and left the list, and I am sure glad about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no such thing > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be because they are > creating their own experiences. L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you create such a painful experience that ended your life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 12:28:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:22:54 EDT epston Re: What kind of forum is this? In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no such thing > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be because they are > creating their own experiences. L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you create such a painful experience that ended your life? Death is not an accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 12:28:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:20:02 EDT epston Re: What kind of forum is this? In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:06:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:57:42 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: What kind of forum is this? > > Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " > <rio70200 wrote: > > > >Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > >I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion > about > >Nisargadatta´s important words. > >But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages > between 2, > > maybe 3 people. > >Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > >Warmest regards to everyone, > > Claudia > > > > What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions > showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their > reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological > reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it > can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the > observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want > to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off. > As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self- > defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express > this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is > impossible. > > Len > > > > Yes. Well said, and simple enough to understand if only there is an > interest > in doing so. > > L.E: Claudia is seeing what is and telling you as it is. Bob was a destructive influence and filled every comment I made with his rude, obscene and insulting remarks. Len and Silver and perhaps you backed him up and supported his abuse. It's all in print and Claudia read it all. Don't try to hide the reality of what was going on, because you can't. Once Bob saw he couldn't continue his nasty abuse, he had nothing more to offer and left the list, and I am sure glad about that. Maybe you didn't understand Len's comments. Nobody's trying to hide what happened, although some are not taking responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Get out now while you still have your sanity in tact, Claudia. Rayvin Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " <rio70200 wrote: > > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion about > Nisargadatta´s important words. > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages between 2, > maybe 3 people. > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > Warmest regards to everyone, > Claudia > > > - > <Nisargadatta > > <Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:58 PM > Digest Number 2657 > > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: The Ocean & Ignorance > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > 2. Re: LOL? > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > 3. Re: Real Giving-Up > epston > 4. Re: Real Giving-Up > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > 5. Re: Real Giving-Up > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba > 6. Re: The Ocean & Ignorance > epston > 7. Re: LOL? > epston > 8. Re: Real Giving-Up > epston > 9. Re: Real Giving-Up > epston > 10. Relaxing thoughts thought while relaxing > " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 > 11. Re: What Is My Body? > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > 12. Re: The Verbal Life > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > 13. Re: Did " K " have a loved one; and " sacredness " > " billrishel " <illusyn > 14. Re: What Is My Body? > epston > 15. Re: Sacred/Non-Sacred > epston > 16. Re: Sacred/Non-Sacred > OConnor Patricia <gdtige > 17. Re: The Verbal Life > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > 18. Re: The Verbal Life > " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 > 19. Love > " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 > 20. Re: behind the mind > ADHHUB > 21. Re: Narcissism: Check It Out! > ADHHUB > 22. To Len You Jerk! > epston > 23. Larry Is Rediculous. > epston > 24. Truth has no continuity > " billrishel " <illusyn > 25. Re: Judgement and Open Dialog (((Re: Acceptance ./L > ADHHUB > > > ___________________ ___ > ___________________ ___ > > Message: 1 > Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:46:44 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: The Ocean & Ignorance > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:31:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > dennis_travis33@ writes: > > > > > Larry......yes, the show enclude fights..... > > > > > > the one " who " feel enclude in a fight is already lost...... > > > > > > and may appear ....again......sometime later.......in a better light > > > > > > Marc > > > > > L.E: No one is actually lost. We are all included whether we know it > or > > accept it or not. > > > > > this make you the new score of: > > Larry : Self 7 : 0 > > Marc > > > Ps: next score will be ....if you continue nicely to included everyone > in everything....and everything....in everyone > > Larry : Self 6 : 0 > > > > > > > > > ___________________ ___ > ___________________ ___ > > Message: 2 > Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:48:04 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: LOL? > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:36:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > dennis_travis33@ writes: > > > > > LOL > > > > L.E; Does LOL mean lots of love or lots of luck? > > > > > Larry......you are the One Love......like whole of your described > universe Is your luck already > > > > Marc > > > > > > ___________________ ___ > ___________________ ___ > > Message: 3 > Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:55 EDT > epston > Re: Real Giving-Up > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:37:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > bigwaaba writes: > > > " Spiritual maturity is being ready to let go everything. > > Giving up is a first step, but real giving-up is the insight that > > there's nothing to be given up, since nothing is your property. " > > > > --Sri nisargadatta > > > L.E: And what is real-real-giving-up? > That nobody owns anything and is everything? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > BTW, I usually refer to this forum as the " Guru forum " . The other day, I > made a Freudian slip, and accidentally called it the " Ego forum " . Guru, Ego, > sounds similar. Coulda happened to anybody, right? LOL! Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:57:42 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: What kind of forum is this? > > Nisargadatta , " Claudia Cavalcanti " > <rio70200@> wrote: > > > > Hello everybody, I´m a reader from Brazil. > > I joined this forum 2 days ago hoping to find a healthy discussion > about > > Nisargadatta´s important words. > > But the last four daily digests are full of insulting messages > between 2, > > maybe 3 people. > > Please, please let´s revert back to the original idea of the forum. > > Warmest regards to everyone, > > Claudia > > > > What you see, Claudia, is just the reality of peoples reactions > showing. If this is what is, people cannot go back, because their > reactions are all there is at that moment. The psychological > reactions and their futility must be understood first, so that it > can stop naturally. But not everybody is interested in the > observation and understanding of these reactions, they rather want > to get rid of their frustration through reacting it off. > As long as there is no interest to understand the reactive, self- > defensive process, there are only two possibilities left: to express > this reactions, or to suppress them. In both cases the inquiry is > impossible. > > Len > > > > Yes. Well said, and simple enough to understand if only there is an interest > in doing so. Unfortunately, so called " spirituality " is an ego movement, and so called inquiry comes down to acting out ones self-importance. Very few people seem to be genuinely interested in understanding. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no such thing > > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be because they are > > creating their own experiences. > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you create such a > painful experience that ended your life? He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience. Why did you do that? ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 > Unfortunately, so called " spirituality " is an ego movement, and so > called inquiry comes down to acting out ones self-importance. > Very few people seem to be genuinely interested in understanding. > > Len I agree. It's the train wreck that human beings call " my life and the one who is going through it. " -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB@ > > writes: > > > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no > such thing > > > > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be > because they are > > > creating their own experiences. > > > > > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you > create such a > > painful experience that ended your life? > > > > > He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience. > Why did you do that? ;-) > > Len to the point Len! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB@ > > writes: > > > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no > such thing > > > > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be > because they are > > > creating their own experiences. > > > > > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you > create such a > > painful experience that ended your life? > > > > > He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience. > Why did you do that? ;-) > > Len > Good point. And isn't any assessment of another's state of spiritual poverty a similar sort of fantasy? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > ADHHUB@ > > > writes: > > > > > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is > no > > such thing > > > > > > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be > > because they are > > > > creating their own experiences. > > > > > > > > > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you > > create such a > > > painful experience that ended your life? > > > > > > > > > > He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience. > > Why did you do that? ;-) > > > > Len > > > > Good point. > And isn't any assessment of another's state of spiritual > poverty a similar sort of fantasy? > > Bill > Hi Bill, here in those words of " yours " there is no creation of painful experience or assessment of poverty. just a question i see and the question seems to refer to an image called Bill here but knowing this is NOT the case i left the question to itself and aswer you as you know yourself to be :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 In a message dated 4/21/2006 10:19:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > > > Indeed. > > The so called self is nothing other then solidified thought...It is > this clot of mnemonic debris that seeks to understand itself. > > > And the only tools it has in this attempt...is its own imagined past. > > Funny picture huh? > > > > toombaru > L.E: Obviously you have no respect for the self which some religious persons would say was created or exists to worship and give thanks to god. Of course, I wouldn't say that. And certainly you wouldn't either. But I agree that the self cannot understand itself, it can only be itself, and that is its struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 In a message dated 4/21/2006 8:25:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:06:34 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Re: What kind of forum is this? Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB@ > > writes: > > > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is no > such thing > > > > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be > because they are > > > creating their own experiences. > > > > > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you > create such a > > painful experience that ended your life? > > > > > He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience. > Why did you do that? ;-) > > Len > Good point. And isn't any assessment of another's state of spiritual poverty a similar sort of fantasy? Bill Yes, it is, but it's an inevitable creation resulting from a perceptual focus on spiritual awareness, which is dualistic. It's only a problem if it's struggled with. Simply noting it amounts to self inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > ADHHUB@ > > > writes: > > > > > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is > no > > such thing > > > > > > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be > > because they are > > > > creating their own experiences. > > > > > > > > > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you > > create such a > > > painful experience that ended your life? > > > > > > > > > > He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience. > > Why did you do that? ;-) > > > > Len > > to the point Len! To the point for everybody except Larry ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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