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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn

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> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > ADHHUB@

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There

is

> no

> > such thing

> > > >

> > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be

> > because they are

> > > > creating their own experiences.

> >

> >

> >

> > > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did

you

> > create such a

> > > painful experience that ended your life?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience.

> > Why did you do that? ;-)

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> Good point.

> And isn't any assessment of another's state of spiritual

> poverty a similar sort of fantasy?

>

> Bill

 

 

 

If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t.

The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is different

from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually

seen, provided some self-knowledge is there.

Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from facts,

which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not interested

in.

 

Len

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> If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t.

> The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is different

> from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually

> seen, provided some self-knowledge is there.

> Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from facts,

> which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not interested

> in.

>

> Len

>

 

 

Nothing can be known about something that does not exist.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

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> >

> > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t.

> > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is

different

> > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually

> > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there.

> > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from

facts,

> > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not

interested

> > in.

> >

> > Len

> >

>

>

> Nothing can be known about something that does not exist.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he doesn´t

exist.

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

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> >

> > >

> > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t.

> > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is

> different

> > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually

> > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there.

> > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from

> facts,

> > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not

> interested

> > > in.

> > >

> > > Len

> > >

> >

> >

> > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

> And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he doesn´t

> exist.

>

> Len

 

The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of

non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought.

 

Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about such a

thinker.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t.

> > > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is

> > different

> > > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually

> > > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there.

> > > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from

> > facts,

> > > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not

> > interested

> > > > in.

> > > >

> > > > Len

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> > And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he doesn´t

> > exist.

> >

> > Len

>

> The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of

> non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought.

>

> Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about such a

> thinker.

>

> -- Dan

>

 

 

 

Indeed.

 

The so called self is nothing other then solidified thought...It is

this clot of mnemonic debris that seeks to understand itself.

 

 

And the only tools it has in this attempt...is its own imagined past.

 

Funny picture huh?

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t.

> > > > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is

> > > different

> > > > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be

factually

> > > > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there.

> > > > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from

> > > facts,

> > > > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not

> > > interested

> > > > > in.

> > > > >

> > > > > Len

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he

doesn´t

> > > exist.

> > >

> > > Len

> >

> > The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of

> > non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought.

> >

> > Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about such a

> > thinker.

> >

> > -- Dan

> >

>

>

>

> Indeed.

>

> The so called self is nothing other then solidified thought...It is

> this clot of mnemonic debris that seeks to understand itself.

>

>

> And the only tools it has in this attempt...is its own imagined past.

>

> Funny picture huh?

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

Yes, it is.

 

It's the picture called " a human being generating explanations for a

self that is the activity of trying to generate explanations. "

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t.

> > > > > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is

> > > > different

> > > > > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be

> factually

> > > > > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there.

> > > > > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from

> > > > facts,

> > > > > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not

> > > > interested

> > > > > > in.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Len

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he

> doesn´t

> > > > exist.

> > > >

> > > > Len

> > >

> > > The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of

> > > non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought.

> > >

> > > Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about

such a

> > > thinker.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Indeed.

> >

> > The so called self is nothing other then solidified thought...It is

> > this clot of mnemonic debris that seeks to understand itself.

> >

> >

> > And the only tools it has in this attempt...is its own imagined past.

> >

> > Funny picture huh?

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Yes, it is.

>

> It's the picture called " a human being generating explanations for a

> self that is the activity of trying to generate explanations. "

>

> -- Dan

>

 

Indeed.........a receding horizon.....and hair line

 

LOL

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033

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> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t.

> > > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is

> > different

> > > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be

factually

> > > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there.

> > > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from

> > facts,

> > > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not

> > interested

> > > > in.

> > > >

> > > > Len

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> > And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he

doesn´t

> > exist.

> >

> > Len

 

 

 

> The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of

> non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought.

>

> Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about

such a

> thinker.

 

 

The above statement sounds like knowledge.

It´s a pitty that the one who´s wishing for imaginary rest cannot be

recognized as a thought.

 

Len

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