Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:15:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > ADHHUB@ > > > writes: > > > > > > > It's not a 'coincidence' that Claudia showed up now. There is > no > > such thing > > > > > > > > as coincidence. Everyone is exactly where they need to be > > because they are > > > > creating their own experiences. > > > > > > > > > L.E: Beep beep! You just got run over by a truck. Why did you > > create such a > > > painful experience that ended your life? > > > > > > > > > > He didn´t. You just created the image of his painful experience. > > Why did you do that? ;-) > > > > Len > > > > Good point. > And isn't any assessment of another's state of spiritual > poverty a similar sort of fantasy? > > Bill If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t. The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is different from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually seen, provided some self-knowledge is there. Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from facts, which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not interested in. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t. > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is different > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there. > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from facts, > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not interested > in. > > Len > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t. > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is different > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there. > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from facts, > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not interested > > in. > > > > Len > > > > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist. > > > toombaru And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he doesn´t exist. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t. > > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is > different > > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually > > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there. > > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from > facts, > > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not > interested > > > in. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist. > > > > > > toombaru > > > And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he doesn´t > exist. > > Len The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought. Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about such a thinker. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t. > > > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is > > different > > > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually > > > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there. > > > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from > > facts, > > > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not > > interested > > > > in. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he doesn´t > > exist. > > > > Len > > The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of > non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought. > > Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about such a > thinker. > > -- Dan > Indeed. The so called self is nothing other then solidified thought...It is this clot of mnemonic debris that seeks to understand itself. And the only tools it has in this attempt...is its own imagined past. Funny picture huh? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t. > > > > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is > > > different > > > > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually > > > > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there. > > > > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from > > > facts, > > > > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not > > > interested > > > > > in. > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he doesn´t > > > exist. > > > > > > Len > > > > The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of > > non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought. > > > > Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about such a > > thinker. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Indeed. > > The so called self is nothing other then solidified thought...It is > this clot of mnemonic debris that seeks to understand itself. > > > And the only tools it has in this attempt...is its own imagined past. > > Funny picture huh? > > > > toombaru Yes, it is. It's the picture called " a human being generating explanations for a self that is the activity of trying to generate explanations. " -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t. > > > > > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is > > > > different > > > > > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be > factually > > > > > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there. > > > > > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from > > > > facts, > > > > > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not > > > > interested > > > > > > in. > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he > doesn´t > > > > exist. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of > > > non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought. > > > > > > Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about such a > > > thinker. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > The so called self is nothing other then solidified thought...It is > > this clot of mnemonic debris that seeks to understand itself. > > > > > > And the only tools it has in this attempt...is its own imagined past. > > > > Funny picture huh? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Yes, it is. > > It's the picture called " a human being generating explanations for a > self that is the activity of trying to generate explanations. " > > -- Dan > Indeed.........a receding horizon.....and hair line LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the poverty can be stated as a fact - it isn´t. > > > > The way of perceiving the dead body run over by a truck is > > different > > > > from perceiving spiritual poverty, however both can be factually > > > > seen, provided some self-knowledge is there. > > > > Self-knowledge requires the capacity to discern images from > > facts, > > > > which is something spiritual poverty is definitely not > > interested > > > > in. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can be known about something that does not exist. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > And everything can be known about the one who thinks that he doesn´t > > exist. > > > > Len > The thinker of the thought of self-existence, or the thought of > non-existence, is in no way separable from the thought. > > Hence, the utter futility of trying to have any knowledge about such a > thinker. The above statement sounds like knowledge. It´s a pitty that the one who´s wishing for imaginary rest cannot be recognized as a thought. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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