Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hur wrote: > > The only person who's on moderated status at this group is Judi. If > the personal attacks continue on the board I will put the > participants on moderated status. I don't like to do it because it > creates more work for me. > > I'm not interested in who's right or wrong...to avoid being put on > moderated status, just don't post/respond to such attacks on this > board. As I mentioned before If you have a problem with another > member, please take it " outside " via emails, webcam, phones, or start > your own group for this purpose. > > Hur Indeed. Inquiry is into the agitation and the self which constitutes as agitation. With a target for one's agitation, energy moves into dramas, and away from inquiry. Without a target, there is only the agitation one is, and self-confrontation. There is no other " course " for inquiry. Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hur@> wrote: > > > > The only person who's on moderated status at this group is Judi. If > > the personal attacks continue on the board I will put the > > participants on moderated status. I don't like to do it because it > > creates more work for me. > > > > I'm not interested in who's right or wrong...to avoid being put on > > moderated status, just don't post/respond to such attacks on this > > board. As I mentioned before If you have a problem with another > > member, please take it " outside " via emails, webcam, phones, or start > > your own group for this purpose. > > > > Hur > > Indeed. > > Inquiry is into the agitation and the self which constitutes as agitation. > > With a target for one's agitation, energy moves into dramas, and away > from inquiry. > > Without a target, there is only the agitation one is, and > self-confrontation. > > There is no other " course " for inquiry. > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. > > -- Dan > Good to see you here Dan! And at a good time at that. I had to see Nisargadatta's site profaned as it has been of late. [see msg 38047 for a particularly odious example] Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:32:24 -0000 " dan330033 " <dan330033 Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hur wrote: > > The only person who's on moderated status at this group is Judi. If > the personal attacks continue on the board I will put the > participants on moderated status. I don't like to do it because it > creates more work for me. > > I'm not interested in who's right or wrong...to avoid being put on > moderated status, just don't post/respond to such attacks on this > board. As I mentioned before If you have a problem with another > member, please take it " outside " via emails, webcam, phones, or start > your own group for this purpose. > > Hur Indeed. Inquiry is into the agitation and the self which constitutes as agitation. With a target for one's agitation, energy moves into dramas, and away from inquiry. Without a target, there is only the agitation one is, and self-confrontation. There is no other " course " for inquiry. Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. -- Dan More often than not, without a " target " there is no perceived agitation, and therefore no inquiry. Those in need of inquiry are disinclined to inquire even with agitation. A separate forum devoted to ego explorations would indeed be peaceful because nobody would be present. I actually created such a forum once and the lack of interest was overwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. > > -- Dan > L.E: Inquiry cannot occurr when a person is being attacked and abused, insulted and condemned. That was Bob, trying to validate himself through his negative drama, and not useful for any kind of spiritual activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 12:28:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:59:19 EDT epston Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. > > -- Dan > L.E: Inquiry cannot occurr when a person is being attacked and abused, insulted and condemned. That was Bob, trying to validate himself through his negative drama, and not useful for any kind of spiritual activity. Actually, it can, Larry. It's precisely when one feels attacked or insulted that one should inquire as to why that's so. This is what Len and I have been jabbering about. Unconscious processes are most often revealed by the presence of struggle. Struggle always points to conflict and conflict always arises from ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 12:28:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:14:33 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. > > > > -- Dan > > > Any inquiry into the nature of shadows.....or any study involving the real temperature of the water in a mirage.....will only lead further into confusion. The supposed inquirer is itself the root of the dilemma. toombaru There's a reason it's best not to put a loaded gun to the head and pull the trigger. We can sit around discussing how the gun is illusion and the head is illusion, and still something messy happens when illusion meets illusion. This is precisely because they are both illusions. Illusory mind can never find Reality, but that's not it's function. Mind can and does dissolve it's own perceived illusion, and in so doing, dissolves itself, since it is part of the illusion. It can do this because it operates on illusion, and illusion is all that obscures Reality. Yes, the inquirer is the root of the dilemma, and it eventually learns to step aside, but only when it's done staking it's claim. How does it stake it's claim? That's something that can be inquired about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. > > > > -- Dan > > > Any inquiry into the nature of shadows.....or any study involving the real temperature of the water in a mirage.....will only lead further into confusion. The supposed inquirer is itself the root of the dilemma. toombaru > L.E: Inquiry cannot occurr when a person is being attacked and abused, > insulted and condemned. That was Bob, trying to validate himself through his > negative drama, and not useful for any kind of spiritual activity. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:32:24 -0000 > " dan330033 " <dan330033 > Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry > > Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hur@> wrote: > > > > The only person who's on moderated status at this group is Judi. If > > the personal attacks continue on the board I will put the > > participants on moderated status. I don't like to do it because it > > creates more work for me. > > > > I'm not interested in who's right or wrong...to avoid being put on > > moderated status, just don't post/respond to such attacks on this > > board. As I mentioned before If you have a problem with another > > member, please take it " outside " via emails, webcam, phones, or start > > your own group for this purpose. > > > > Hur > > Indeed. > > Inquiry is into the agitation and the self which constitutes as agitation. > > With a target for one's agitation, energy moves into dramas, and away > from inquiry. > > Without a target, there is only the agitation one is, and > self-confrontation. > > There is no other " course " for inquiry. > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. > > -- Dan > > > > More often than not, without a " target " there is no perceived agitation, and > therefore no inquiry. Those in need of inquiry are disinclined to inquire > even with agitation. A separate forum devoted to ego explorations would indeed > be peaceful because nobody would be present. I actually created such a forum > once and the lack of interest was overwhelming. :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:32:24 -0000 > " dan330033 " <dan330033 > Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry > > Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hur@> wrote: > > > > The only person who's on moderated status at this group is Judi. If > > the personal attacks continue on the board I will put the > > participants on moderated status. I don't like to do it because it > > creates more work for me. > > > > I'm not interested in who's right or wrong...to avoid being put on > > moderated status, just don't post/respond to such attacks on this > > board. As I mentioned before If you have a problem with another > > member, please take it " outside " via emails, webcam, phones, or start > > your own group for this purpose. > > > > Hur > > Indeed. > > Inquiry is into the agitation and the self which constitutes as agitation. > > With a target for one's agitation, energy moves into dramas, and away > from inquiry. > > Without a target, there is only the agitation one is, and > self-confrontation. > > There is no other " course " for inquiry. > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. > > -- Dan > > > > More often than not, without a " target " there is no perceived agitation, and > therefore no inquiry. Those in need of inquiry are disinclined to inquire > even with agitation. A separate forum devoted to ego explorations would indeed > be peaceful because nobody would be present. I actually created such a forum > once and the lack of interest was overwhelming. Apparently you believe you're helping someone else to see something about what you perceive as their ego. Underlying this belief is the agitation to be inquired into. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. > > > > -- Dan > > > > L.E: Inquiry cannot occurr when a person is being attacked and abused, > insulted and condemned. That was Bob, trying to validate himself through his > negative drama, and not useful for any kind of spiritual activity. The heart of inquiry is in the midst of the world's activities, as they are. Not just when life presents its positives, such as love, friendship, warmth -- although certainly those can be wonderful experiences. But as well, inquiry is into war, famine, violence, manipulation, greed, desire, fear, as these occur. At the heart of inquiry is what is, as is -- not a particular, protected, sancrosant state or space. If I find someone's words to be attacking, I can inquire in that moment into whatever responses or reactions I find coming up in response, and the image of self involved. Where did those words find a hold? What countermeasures came into play? Inquiry is right here. On an email list, only words are offered, so whatever attack is offered wouldn't be at the same level as someone dropping a bomb on your house, for example. But even if someone bombs my house, inquiry needn't be foreclosed. Although for sure, that is the challenge. Inquiry isn't about retaining a particular state of being -- it is looking into the intent to retain a desired state of being. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB@ > > writes: > > > > > > > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not > inquiry. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > Any inquiry into the nature of shadows.....or any study involving the > real temperature of the water in a mirage.....will only lead further > into confusion. > > The supposed inquirer is itself the root of the dilemma. > > toombaru If thine right root offend thee, pluck it out! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/20/2006 12:28:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:14:33 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB@ > > writes: > > > > > > > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not > inquiry. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > Any inquiry into the nature of shadows.....or any study involving the > real temperature of the water in a mirage.....will only lead further > into confusion. > > The supposed inquirer is itself the root of the dilemma. > > toombaru > > > > There's a reason it's best not to put a loaded gun to the head and pull the > trigger. We can sit around discussing how the gun is illusion and the head is > illusion, and still something messy happens when illusion meets illusion. > This is precisely because they are both illusions. > > Illusory mind can never find Reality, but that's not it's function. Mind can > and does dissolve it's own perceived illusion, and in so doing, dissolves > itself, since it is part of the illusion. It can do this because it operates on > illusion, and illusion is all that obscures Reality. Yes, the inquirer is the > root of the dilemma, and it eventually learns to step aside, but only when > it's done staking it's claim. How does it stake it's claim? That's something > that can be inquired about. Inquire as to the staking of a claim, and you find that the only limiting function of the inquiry is the taking it to its depth. You can't have an intent to take inquiry to its depth, because that very intent is a staking of a claim. Something takes over ... The division between the inquirer, the inquiry, and that which is inquired into is not ... The division between the inquiry and the resolution of the inquiry is not ... What has taken over? Who can say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/20/2006 12:28:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:14:33 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB@ > > writes: > > > > > > > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not > inquiry. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > Any inquiry into the nature of shadows.....or any study involving the > real temperature of the water in a mirage.....will only lead further > into confusion. > > The supposed inquirer is itself the root of the dilemma. > > toombaru > > > > There's a reason it's best not to put a loaded gun to the head and pull the > trigger. We can sit around discussing how the gun is illusion and the head is > illusion, and still something messy happens when illusion meets illusion. > This is precisely because they are both illusions. They are only an illusion in comparison with something else that is real. But then you have the separation of illusion and reality which you have to account for. If there is no absolute separation of one thing from another thing, then this also applies to illusion and reality. The metaphorical discussion of illusion now collapses and can't be continued, same with the usage of the metaphor of " dream " -- such metaphors depend on an assumed separation ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:32:24 -0000 > > " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hur@> wrote: > > > > > > The only person who's on moderated status at this group is Judi. If > > > the personal attacks continue on the board I will put the > > > participants on moderated status. I don't like to do it because it > > > creates more work for me. > > > > > > I'm not interested in who's right or wrong...to avoid being put on > > > moderated status, just don't post/respond to such attacks on this > > > board. As I mentioned before If you have a problem with another > > > member, please take it " outside " via emails, webcam, phones, or > start > > > your own group for this purpose. > > > > > > Hur > > > > Indeed. > > > > Inquiry is into the agitation and the self which constitutes as > agitation. > > > > With a target for one's agitation, energy moves into dramas, and away > > from inquiry. > > > > Without a target, there is only the agitation one is, and > > self-confrontation. > > > > There is no other " course " for inquiry. > > > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not > inquiry. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > More often than not, without a " target " there is no perceived > agitation, and > > therefore no inquiry. Those in need of inquiry are disinclined to > inquire > > even with agitation. A separate forum devoted to ego explorations > would indeed > > be peaceful because nobody would be present. I actually created such > a forum > > once and the lack of interest was overwhelming. > > Apparently you believe you're helping someone else to see something > about what you perceive as their ego. > > Underlying this belief is the agitation to be inquired into. > > -- Dan Underlying the belief that underlying this belief is the agitation to be inquired to, is the agitation. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 10:57:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:21:14 -0000 " dan330033 " <dan330033 Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:32:24 -0000 > " dan330033 " <dan330033 > Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry > > Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hur@> wrote: > > > > The only person who's on moderated status at this group is Judi. If > > the personal attacks continue on the board I will put the > > participants on moderated status. I don't like to do it because it > > creates more work for me. > > > > I'm not interested in who's right or wrong...to avoid being put on > > moderated status, just don't post/respond to such attacks on this > > board. As I mentioned before If you have a problem with another > > member, please take it " outside " via emails, webcam, phones, or start > > your own group for this purpose. > > > > Hur > > Indeed. > > Inquiry is into the agitation and the self which constitutes as agitation. > > With a target for one's agitation, energy moves into dramas, and away > from inquiry. > > Without a target, there is only the agitation one is, and > self-confrontation. > > There is no other " course " for inquiry. > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not inquiry. > > -- Dan > > > > More often than not, without a " target " there is no perceived agitation, and > therefore no inquiry. Those in need of inquiry are disinclined to inquire > even with agitation. A separate forum devoted to ego explorations would indeed > be peaceful because nobody would be present. I actually created such a forum > once and the lack of interest was overwhelming. Apparently you believe you're helping someone else to see something about what you perceive as their ego. Underlying this belief is the agitation to be inquired into. -- Dan What you see me doing is the inquiry itself. " Helping " is a thankless job, as demonstrated here. There is no distance at all between self and self in inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Underlying the belief that underlying this belief is the agitation > to be inquired to, is the agitation. > > Len Until one is clear that this agitation is the one who is trying to escape it into " spirituality. " Then one comes home ... and rests. No belief required. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 1:58:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:11:29 -0000 " dan330033 " <dan330033 Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/20/2006 12:28:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:14:33 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 9:45:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ADHHUB@ > > writes: > > > > > > > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not > inquiry. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > Any inquiry into the nature of shadows.....or any study involving the > real temperature of the water in a mirage.....will only lead further > into confusion. > > The supposed inquirer is itself the root of the dilemma. > > toombaru > > > > There's a reason it's best not to put a loaded gun to the head and pull the > trigger. We can sit around discussing how the gun is illusion and the head is > illusion, and still something messy happens when illusion meets illusion. > This is precisely because they are both illusions. > > Illusory mind can never find Reality, but that's not it's function. Mind can > and does dissolve it's own perceived illusion, and in so doing, dissolves > itself, since it is part of the illusion. It can do this because it operates on > illusion, and illusion is all that obscures Reality. Yes, the inquirer is the > root of the dilemma, and it eventually learns to step aside, but only when > it's done staking it's claim. How does it stake it's claim? That's something > that can be inquired about. Inquire as to the staking of a claim, and you find that the only limiting function of the inquiry is the taking it to its depth. You can't have an intent to take inquiry to its depth, because that very intent is a staking of a claim. Something takes over ... The division between the inquirer, the inquiry, and that which is inquired into is not ... The division between the inquiry and the resolution of the inquiry is not ... What has taken over? Who can say? Inquiry happens, just as everything else happens. From the point of view of the inquirer, that pretty much sucks. ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 8:41:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:33:40 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:32:24 -0000 > > " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > Re: Personal Attacks and Self Inquiry > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hur@> wrote: > > > > > > The only person who's on moderated status at this group is Judi. If > > > the personal attacks continue on the board I will put the > > > participants on moderated status. I don't like to do it because it > > > creates more work for me. > > > > > > I'm not interested in who's right or wrong...to avoid being put on > > > moderated status, just don't post/respond to such attacks on this > > > board. As I mentioned before If you have a problem with another > > > member, please take it " outside " via emails, webcam, phones, or > start > > > your own group for this purpose. > > > > > > Hur > > > > Indeed. > > > > Inquiry is into the agitation and the self which constitutes as > agitation. > > > > With a target for one's agitation, energy moves into dramas, and away > > from inquiry. > > > > Without a target, there is only the agitation one is, and > > self-confrontation. > > > > There is no other " course " for inquiry. > > > > Validating one's self through dramas requiring the other is not > inquiry. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > More often than not, without a " target " there is no perceived > agitation, and > > therefore no inquiry. Those in need of inquiry are disinclined to > inquire > > even with agitation. A separate forum devoted to ego explorations > would indeed > > be peaceful because nobody would be present. I actually created such > a forum > > once and the lack of interest was overwhelming. > > Apparently you believe you're helping someone else to see something > about what you perceive as their ego. > > Underlying this belief is the agitation to be inquired into. > > -- Dan Underlying the belief that underlying this belief is the agitation to be inquired to, is the agitation. Len Perhaps it's the agitation of an itchy trigger finger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > > Underlying the belief that underlying this belief is the agitation > > to be inquired to, is the agitation. > > > > Len > > Until one is clear that this agitation is the one who is trying to > escape it into " spirituality. " > > Then one comes home ... and rests. > > No belief required. > > -- Dan > Then one comes home ... and rests. No belief required. I can see that in cross-stitch Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> >wrote: > >>Underlying the belief that underlying this belief is the agitation >>to be inquired to, is the agitation. >> >>Len > >Until one is clear that this agitation is the one who is trying to >escape it into " spirituality. " > >Then one comes home ... and rests. > >No belief required. > >-- Dan Until one realizes that underlying the belief of the rest of coming home, there is agitation which is the one who is trying to escape into imaginary " rest " . Len L.E: The game Len plays: I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free. I am free. You are not free. etc. Is he who enslaves others free? Len is like Werner,, is like Marc. They constantly disapprove of everything and everybody. On and on. Len:'s game: I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped. I :have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped.I have escaped. You have not escaped. I have escaped. You have not escaped. Guess which one is Len? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > > Underlying the belief that underlying this belief is the agitation > > to be inquired to, is the agitation. > > > > Len > > Until one is clear that this agitation is the one who is trying to > escape it into " spirituality. " > > Then one comes home ... and rests. > > No belief required. > > -- Dan Until one realizes that underlying the belief of the rest of coming home, there is agitation which is the one who is trying to escape into imaginary " rest " . Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > What you see me doing is the inquiry itself. " Helping " is a thankless job, > as demonstrated here. > There is no distance at all between self and self in inquiry. There is no actual distance, as separation of objects each with their own inherent characteristics. This is at once inquiry, and the end of inquiry. The nonseparation of inquirer, inquiry, and that which is inquired into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Underlying the belief that underlying this belief is the agitation > > > to be inquired to, is the agitation. > > > > > > Len > > > > Until one is clear that this agitation is the one who is trying to > > escape it into " spirituality. " > > > > Then one comes home ... and rests. > > > > No belief required. > > > > -- Dan > > > > Then one comes home ... and rests. > > No belief required. > > > I can see that in cross-stitch > > > Bill Nice thought! Maybe I'll have it embossed on a blanket I can wear at the rest-home! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > What you see me doing is the inquiry itself. " Helping " is a > thankless job, > > as demonstrated here. > > There is no distance at all between self and self in inquiry. > > There is no actual distance, as separation of objects each with their > own inherent characteristics. > > This is at once inquiry, and the end of inquiry. The nonseparation of > inquirer, inquiry, and that which is inquired into. > Any triad....evaporates within its totality......and nothing remains. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Underlying the belief that underlying this belief is the > agitation > > > to be inquired to, is the agitation. > > > > > > Len > > > > Until one is clear that this agitation is the one who is trying to > > escape it into " spirituality. " > > > > Then one comes home ... and rests. > > > > No belief required. > > > > -- Dan > > > Until one realizes that underlying the belief of the rest of coming > home, there is agitation which is the one who is trying to escape > into imaginary " rest " . > > Len I suppose you are speaking of your own experience? If so, then there is nothing to do but be the agitation you are describing, and cease mental games of analysis. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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