Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > I have no idea what a true guru is and how to find one. I just > posted > >that statement of K. But definitely there are lots of gurus and > >teachers arround who will tell they are the true one's or who at > >least believe they are. > > Werner > > L.E: There are only a few who say they know something of importance compared > to those who are ignorant. Don't worry about the 'true guru. " If you are > willing to accept a teacher just find someone that knows more than you do. How > hard is that? Why not let Niz be your teacher. Just read his books. > All the teachers are like steps on a ladder. It's not easy at first to tell > which step is higher and which is lower, but just pick a step and begin. And > just remember, each teacher is also a student of someone or some thing. As far as I can see, it's a misconception of the nature of ignorance to believe that someone else will dispel it for you. Even to think that someone else will catalyze a reaction for you that will lead to your dispelling of your own ignorance is a contradictory idea. Ignorance isn't something you have, which is located in you, that someone else will dispel. Ignorance is the very activity by which you are able to maintain a belief that you have your own location, which could hold something like " ignorance " to itself. How is someone else from outside going to dispel the activity which leads you to perceive in terms of an inside and an outside to your being? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 1:58:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:26:25 -0000 " dan330033 " <dan330033 Re: Ignorance and the guru --- In Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > I have no idea what a true guru is and how to find one. I just > posted > >that statement of K. But definitely there are lots of gurus and > >teachers arround who will tell they are the true one's or who at > >least believe they are. > > Werner > > L.E: There are only a few who say they know something of importance compared > to those who are ignorant. Don't worry about the 'true guru. " If you are > willing to accept a teacher just find someone that knows more than you do. How > hard is that? Why not let Niz be your teacher. Just read his books. > All the teachers are like steps on a ladder. It's not easy at first to tell > which step is higher and which is lower, but just pick a step and begin. And > just remember, each teacher is also a student of someone or some thing. As far as I can see, it's a misconception of the nature of ignorance to believe that someone else will dispel it for you. Even to think that someone else will catalyze a reaction for you that will lead to your dispelling of your own ignorance is a contradictory idea. Ignorance isn't something you have, which is located in you, that someone else will dispel. Ignorance is the very activity by which you are able to maintain a belief that you have your own location, which could hold something like " ignorance " to itself. How is someone else from outside going to dispel the activity which leads you to perceive in terms of an inside and an outside to your being? -- Dan From my very limited perspective, I see what's going on in the illusion as the experiential expression of the dissolution of ignorance only. As such, nothing can cause it since it has already occurred and is merely being experienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Ignorance is the very activity by which you are able to maintain a belief that you have your own location, which could hold something like " ignorance " to itself. How is someone else from outside going to dispel the activity which leads you to perceive in terms of an inside and an outside to your being? -- Dan >>>>>> Notice how it seems to come down to a " geometry of ignorance " . When we talk about Now then illusion seems to revolve around the notion of time. Per the above perspective illusion seems to revolve around notions of " subjective space " . Neither notion is operative if the fundamentally discontinuous nature of experience is realized. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : Ignorance is the very activity by which you are able to maintain a belief that you have your own location, which could hold something like " ignorance " to itself. How is someone else from outside going to dispel the activity which leads you to perceive in terms of an inside and an outside to your being? -- Dan >>>>>> Notice how it seems to come down to a " geometry of ignorance " . When we talk about Now then illusion seems to revolve around the notion of time. Per the above perspective illusion seems to revolve around notions of " subjective space " . Neither notion is operative if the fundamentally discontinuous nature of experience is realized. Bill I love how sincere hearts talk to each other, Every-one with its own perception, voice, ideas and certitude. But what is behind all this little words and mighty sentences is gently loved in the center of each one of those tender breasts. Waiting to be hurled into a lovely spring morning, Like today! Or maybe later. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Ignorance is the very activity by which you are able to maintain a > belief that you have your own location, which could hold something > like " ignorance " to itself. > > How is someone else from outside going to dispel the activity which > leads you to perceive in terms of an inside and an outside to your being? > > -- Dan > > >>>>>> > > Notice how it seems to come down to a " geometry of ignorance " . > > When we talk about Now then illusion seems to revolve around > the notion of time. Per the above perspective illusion seems > to revolve around notions of " subjective space " . > > Neither notion is operative if the fundamentally discontinuous > nature of experience is realized. > > Bill Hey, I'm as discontinuous as the next guy! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > From my very limited perspective, I see what's going on in the illusion as > the experiential expression of the dissolution of ignorance only. As such, > nothing can cause it since it has already occurred and is merely being > experienced. If so, then there is nothing to be gained by considering something as " illusion " and contrasting it with " reality. " What is, is. What is experienced, is experienced. It is, as is. Choosing or not choosing doesn't enter into the picture. Thus, the issue of illusion vs. reality has no application, is just another mental game of conceptual categories opposed to one another. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > From my very limited perspective, I see what's going on in the > illusion as > > the experiential expression of the dissolution of ignorance only. As > such, > > nothing can cause it since it has already occurred and is merely being > > experienced. > > If so, then there is nothing to be gained by considering something as > " illusion " and contrasting it with " reality. " > > What is, is. > > What is experienced, is experienced. > > It is, as is. Choosing or not choosing doesn't enter into the picture. > > Thus, the issue of illusion vs. reality has no application, is just > another mental game of conceptual categories opposed to one another. > > -- Dan > Did you just knock down the " illusion is real, and I know it is, because I EXPERIENCE IT! " thing? I sure hope so. If so let's capture that as boilerplace, even make a keystroke macro out of it! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Did you just knock down the " illusion is real, and I know it > is, because I EXPERIENCE IT! " thing? > > I sure hope so. Knock it down -- quick, before it multiplies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > Thus, the issue of illusion vs. reality has no application, is just > another mental game of conceptual categories opposed to one another. > > -- Dan You wish :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Thus, the issue of illusion vs. reality has no application, is just > > another mental game of conceptual categories opposed to one another. > > > > -- Dan > > > You wish :-) > > Len Nope. Wishing has nothing to do with it. Is as is. - Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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