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In a message dated 4/20/2006 7:16:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:54:22 EDT

epston

Marc's Accusations & Phil's Declination

 

Question: How do you see yourself?

 

L.E: I am life itself, the One Life, the totality of all

existence and non-existence. Everything that happens occurs within me as

me.

There is a body and a name but that is not me.

Beyond all names and forms, as life itself, that is who and what I am.

 

Larry Epston

>

> Marc: Could a responsible person of the group tolerate that there is

> kind of seperated group (start to) exist in here....? what is this

> " questions " and " answers " game?.....

>

>

>

> Phil: it remind me the " publicity break " in the middle of

movies....maybe

> it's a new " art " of entertainment.....who knows...:) Just an opinion:

It

> appears that Larry is attempting to gain credibility/attention by posting

the

> words of others; likely a

> master/teacher. The reason they appear to me to not be his words is that

> they seem to make sense. If I'm correct, then he's plagiarizing. If I'm

> mistaken, then I apologize for my error.

>

> Marc: yes....it's clear that Larry need absolutly this

> " credibility/attention " ......

> it's the attitude of every ego-minded entity (illusion...)maybe the

words

> make little sense....thats not the question.....but then Larry could

create a

> group....in which he could talk only about this his perceptions....

> i remind you that few people already decided to leave the group because

of

> Larry......

> i understand this you attitude to " protect " Larry....because of Your

> nice discussions you exchange with him.......but this means that you

don't

> realy care if some others leave....or not...

>

> Phil: I have no motivation to protect Larry or anyone here. My

" discussions "

> with

> Larry are not valued any more or less than any other discussion. Perhaps

> what

> you see is me not judging Larry or campaigning for him to leave. I don't

> care

> if he leaves or stays. You are correct that I also don't care if others

> leave or stay. I wasn't put in charge of the forum and it's none of my

> business

> what others do. Even on my own forum, I don't pretend to have control. I

> invite God into the forum (That means surrender to what is.) and accept

> whatever

> is occurring. Interestingly, in the years I've had one forum or another,

> there

> has never been an ego explosion such as we just witnessed. If there is no

> illusion of control, it's not necessary to prove that illusion false in

> one's

> experience.

>

 

L.E: Strange how Marc will pick up any critcism of me and try to amplify it

and play it up. Now he is accusing me of making people leave the group. Not

Bob with his violence and obcenity, his rude insults, no not Bob, but Larry

with

his claim of Universal Identity. That is what really offends Marc and Marc

is always offended at someone's ignorance where he finds no one on this list

worthwhile for his attention and concern. He shares a kind of negative

rejection with Werner.

But, as for the group. People come, people go. They can contribute or not.

 

No one knows who is in the group but doesn't post, and how does Marc know

who

has left and for what reason? Could it be that Bob's constant insults were

a

turn-off for some? So please Marc, how about some names? Who has left our

group because of my postings? Name someone, anyone, or are you just making

it

up, just trying to add additional discredit for your own satisfaction, your

own meaness and negativity?

 

Larry Epston

 

To Phil: You write: Even on my own forum, I don't pretend to have control.

I

 

invite God into the forum (That means surrender to what is.) and accept

whatever

is occurring. Interestingly, in the years I've had one forum or another,

there

has never been an ego explosion such as we just witnessed. If there is no

illusion of control, it's not necessary to prove that illusion false in

one's

experience. "

 

L.E: Surrendering to what is does not mean non-participation. And accepting

whatever is does not mean avoidance. If you have the freedom that comes

from

knowing who and what you are, any choice you make is he right one,

spontaneously. It does not in any way mean standing back and observing from

a distance

like a psychologist watching lab rats. I wonder if you know this. Do you?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I know that. Do you know that surrender and acceptance does not mean

struggle and judgment? So, to you freedom means the freedom to do whatever you

want without thinking or taking responsibility?

If you see me standing back and observing, maybe you missed all the posts in

which I've been pointing out your struggle, judgment and unconscious ego

processes. The irony is that this has been done continuously, before, during and

after your ego adventure here. Instead of listening and exploring, you've

been denying, and now you deny that I even participated. All you can see is

that

I didn't judge Bob and the others and defend you. Do you really believe

that's the answer?

 

 

 

 

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