All is not consciousness, life, god, being, Self, or anything

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In a message dated 4/20/2006 10:57:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:49:11 -0000

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Re: All is not consciousness, life, god, being, Self, or anything

else

 

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:47:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > > lastrain@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am.......is the dreamer.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > L.E; There is no I am and no dream. Only Life.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru:

> > >

> > > All there is .........is consciousness.

> > >

> >

> > Do you differentiate between consciousness and Life?

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

> Statements about how all there is, is ....... (fill in the blank with

> consciousness, being, life, god, Self, whatever)

>

> are very limited teachings.

>

> Any word involves an inside and outside to its meaning.

>

> This is how word meanings are construed, with the boundary of the

> word's meaning.

>

> So, if you have consciousness, you also have what consciousness is

> aware of, and you have unconsciousness.

>

> If you have black, you also have what is not black arising with the

> concept " black. "

>

> Lao Tzu pointed this out centuries ago.

>

> There is no word for what has no outside, and hence no inside.

>

> One can investigate how word meanings are formed, and the limits of

> word-oriented knowing (and likewise with perception and memory, which

> also involve and require bounded knowing and comparison).

>

> It is through understanding the limits of one's knowing that " what is "

> is known as is.

>

> One comes to one's limit, and is clear that it is one's limit, and one

> dies to knowledge and self.

>

> -- Dan

>

 

 

 

 

 

Nope.

 

 

The 'one' is nothing other then its accumulated bag of knowledge.

 

It does not die...It never lived......It simply disappears like a shadow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

 

Ya know, I find that trying to write a spiritual dictionary is a

contradiction. " Dies " and " disappears like a shadow " are both true and both

lies. Maybe

differentiating adds more differences for the mind to resolve?

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 4/20/2006 10:57:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:49:11 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Re: All is not consciousness, life, god, being, Self, or

anything

> else

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:47:19 PM Pacific Daylight

Time,

> > > > > lastrain@ writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am.......is the dreamer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > L.E; There is no I am and no dream. Only Life.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru:

> > > >

> > > > All there is .........is consciousness.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Do you differentiate between consciousness and Life?

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> > Statements about how all there is, is ....... (fill in the

blank with

> > consciousness, being, life, god, Self, whatever)

> >

> > are very limited teachings.

> >

> > Any word involves an inside and outside to its meaning.

> >

> > This is how word meanings are construed, with the boundary of

the

> > word's meaning.

> >

> > So, if you have consciousness, you also have what consciousness

is

> > aware of, and you have unconsciousness.

> >

> > If you have black, you also have what is not black arising with

the

> > concept " black. "

> >

> > Lao Tzu pointed this out centuries ago.

> >

> > There is no word for what has no outside, and hence no inside.

> >

> > One can investigate how word meanings are formed, and the

limits of

> > word-oriented knowing (and likewise with perception and memory,

which

> > also involve and require bounded knowing and comparison).

> >

> > It is through understanding the limits of one's knowing

that " what is "

> > is known as is.

> >

> > One comes to one's limit, and is clear that it is one's limit,

and one

> > dies to knowledge and self.

> >

> > -- Dan

> Nope.

>

>

> The 'one' is nothing other then its accumulated bag of knowledge.

>

> It does not die...It never lived......It simply disappears like

a shadow.

>

toombaru

 

 

 

 

> Ya know, I find that trying to write a spiritual dictionary is a

> contradiction.

 

 

It is because it is a movement of self in search of self-importance.

Talking about what happens when one dies or disappears is useless,

and serves as nice distraction for " spiritual " ego´s.

 

Len

 

 

> " Dies " and " disappears like a shadow " are both true and both

lies. Maybe

> differentiating adds more differences for the mind to resolve?