Deficiencies and the Observer

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In a message dated 4/21/2006 5:39:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

>

> This sounds a tiny little bit suspicious to me ;-)

> It is possible that you just don´t notice it.

> Don´t forget that Larry, for instance, is not aware of his defences.

> Still they are there, obvious to those who can watch carefully.

> I never met anybody in my life who´s defensive startegies/neuroses

> wouldn´t become obvious after few days. But maybe you are an

> exception, who knows ;-)

>

L.E: I'm not saying I don't have deficiencies, but what are those you

observe? And how do you know I am not aware of them? A person addicted to

cigarettes like Niz, may well be aware of his addiction or deficiency yet choose

not to

try to get rid of it by stopping smoking. Also, do you think my or your

writings is an accurate indicator of deficiencies? And what about your

deficiencies? Do you have any you are aware of, or does someone external to

your ego

have to tell you about yours?

And the whole concept of deficiences is interesting because what standard is

being used and what are the biases of the one using it. I mean, is a smoking

habit a deficiency to you? Or alcoholism, or use or drugs.

Is getting angry a deficiency or telling lies, or hurting people? How about

going to war. Is wanting to kill an enemy a deficiency? It's easy to use the

word deficiency with no examples as you do, but what exactly do you mean?

And how carefully do you have to watch to catch someone in his deficiencies,,

and can you evaluate that from someone's writings? I suppose that yes it is

possible to do that. After all, Bob Nixon is as close to a certifiable maniac

as

I've ever seen as viewed through his behavior, but most members seemed to

approve of his actions so who is most deficient, Bob or his admirerers? Is not

acting when you see someone hurting another a deficiency of cowardice? Is

approving while someone is being abused a deficiency? There is a standard

window or

frame that is used by psychiatrist to evaluate a client's mental health or

sickness, but it is surprisingly wide. Your behavior has to be really really

strange to be considered mentally ill and claim assistence from the State. And

finally, out of all the people on this list why do you choose to use my name

as an example? Is that your hatefulness peeking through?

And is that a deficiency?

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/21/2006 8:25:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:03:57 EDT

epston

Deficiencies and the Observer

 

In a message dated 4/21/2006 5:39:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

>

> This sounds a tiny little bit suspicious to me ;-)

> It is possible that you just don´t notice it.

> Don´t forget that Larry, for instance, is not aware of his defences.

> Still they are there, obvious to those who can watch carefully.

> I never met anybody in my life who´s defensive startegies/neuroses

> wouldn´t become obvious after few days. But maybe you are an

> exception, who knows ;-)

>

L.E: I'm not saying I don't have deficiencies, but what are those you

observe? And how do you know I am not aware of them? A person addicted to

cigarettes like Niz, may well be aware of his addiction or deficiency yet

choose not to

try to get rid of it by stopping smoking. Also, do you think my or your

writings is an accurate indicator of deficiencies? And what about your

deficiencies? Do you have any you are aware of, or does someone external to

your ego

have to tell you about yours?

And the whole concept of deficiences is interesting because what standard is

being used and what are the biases of the one using it. I mean, is a smoking

habit a deficiency to you? Or alcoholism, or use or drugs.

Is getting angry a deficiency or telling lies, or hurting people? How about

going to war. Is wanting to kill an enemy a deficiency? It's easy to use

the

word deficiency with no examples as you do, but what exactly do you mean?

And how carefully do you have to watch to catch someone in his

deficiencies,,

and can you evaluate that from someone's writings? I suppose that yes it is

possible to do that. After all, Bob Nixon is as close to a certifiable

maniac as

I've ever seen as viewed through his behavior, but most members seemed to

approve of his actions so who is most deficient, Bob or his admirerers? Is

not

acting when you see someone hurting another a deficiency of cowardice? Is

approving while someone is being abused a deficiency? There is a standard

window or

frame that is used by psychiatrist to evaluate a client's mental health or

sickness, but it is surprisingly wide. Your behavior has to be really

really

strange to be considered mentally ill and claim assistence from the State.

And

finally, out of all the people on this list why do you choose to use my name

as an example? Is that your hatefulness peeking through?

And is that a deficiency?

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

 

First of all, the word Len used was " defenses " , not 'deficiencies' which is

a fascinating misperception on your part. Deficiencies implies a judgment and

this judgment is being made by you against yourself which is what results in

the defenses as well as the misinterpretation.

 

As far as the defenses, Len and I have been discussing them all along as

they occur and you've been part of that discussion. It's almost like some kind

of secret code to you since you don't seem to hear it, which is also

fascinating. I know that makes you feel like a lab rat again, but after all

you're the

one running the maze.