Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Werner: I have no idea what a true guru is and how to find one. I just posted that statement of K. But definitely there are lots of gurus and teachers arround who will tell they are the true one's or who at least believe they are. L.E: There are only a few people who say they know something of importance compared to those who are ignorant. Don't worry about the 'true guru. " If you are willing to accept a teacher just find someone that knows more than you do. How hard is that? Why not let Niz be your teacher. Just read his books. All the teachers are like steps on a ladder. It's not easy at first to tell which step is higher and which is lower, but just pick a step and begin. And just remember, each teacher is also a student of someone or some thing. Dan: As far as I can see, it's a misconception of the nature of ignorance to believe that someone else will dispel it for you. Even to think that someone else will catalyze a reaction for you that will lead to your dispelling of your own ignorance is a contradictory idea. Ignorance isn't something you have, which is located in you, that someone else will dispel. Ignorance is the very activity by which you are able to maintain a belief that you have your own location, which could hold something like " ignorance " to itself. How is someone else from outside going to dispel the activity which leads you to perceive in terms of an inside and an outside to your being? L.E: I agree with you completely Dan, except that's the advanced lesson. A person can't begin with that understanding and in a way, it's 'letting the cat out of the bag " too soon. You shouldn't tell a beginner that so soon, it's sort of breaking the rules. This person doesn't even know where to begin and here you are tattling out the end of the story. Shame on you. Bad boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Larry, Strange thing this spirituality for 1) People who don't know where to begin 2) For beginners 3) For advanced ones Why not writig a vade-mecum like " Volume 1 - Spirituality for beginners " " Volume 2 - Spirituality for the nearly englightened " ? Werner Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > Werner: I have no idea what a true guru is and how to find one. I just > posted that statement of K. But definitely there are lots of gurus and > teachers arround who will tell they are the true one's or who at least > believe they are. > > L.E: There are only a few people who say they know something of importance > compared to those who are ignorant. Don't worry about the 'true guru. " If > you are willing to accept a teacher just find someone that knows more than > you do. How hard is that? Why not let Niz be your teacher. Just read his > books. > All the teachers are like steps on a ladder. It's not easy at first > to tell which step is higher and which is lower, but just pick a step and > begin. And just remember, each teacher is also a student of someone or some > thing. > > Dan: As far as I can see, it's a misconception of the nature of ignorance > to believe that someone else will dispel it for you. > Even to think that someone else will catalyze a reaction for you that > will lead to your dispelling of your own ignorance is a contradictory > idea. > Ignorance isn't something you have, which is located in you, that > someone else will dispel. > Ignorance is the very activity by which you are able to maintain a > belief that you have your own location, which could hold something > like " ignorance " to itself. > How is someone else from outside going to dispel the activity which > leads you to perceive in terms of an inside and an outside to your being? > > L.E: I agree with you completely Dan, except that's the advanced lesson. A > person can't begin with that understanding and in a way, it's 'letting the cat > out of the bag " too soon. You shouldn't tell a beginner that so soon, it's > sort of breaking the rules. This person doesn't even know where to begin and here > you are tattling out the end of the story. Shame on you. Bad boy! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 In a message dated 4/21/2006 8:25:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:48:49 EDT epston Dan- Ignorance and the guru Werner: I have no idea what a true guru is and how to find one. I just posted that statement of K. But definitely there are lots of gurus and teachers arround who will tell they are the true one's or who at least believe they are. L.E: There are only a few people who say they know something of importance compared to those who are ignorant. Don't worry about the 'true guru. " If you are willing to accept a teacher just find someone that knows more than you do. How hard is that? Why not let Niz be your teacher. Just read his books. All the teachers are like steps on a ladder. It's not easy at first to tell which step is higher and which is lower, but just pick a step and begin. And just remember, each teacher is also a student of someone or some thing. Dan: As far as I can see, it's a misconception of the nature of ignorance to believe that someone else will dispel it for you. Even to think that someone else will catalyze a reaction for you that will lead to your dispelling of your own ignorance is a contradictory idea. Ignorance isn't something you have, which is located in you, that someone else will dispel. Ignorance is the very activity by which you are able to maintain a belief that you have your own location, which could hold something like " ignorance " to itself. How is someone else from outside going to dispel the activity which leads you to perceive in terms of an inside and an outside to your being? L.E: I agree with you completely Dan, except that's the advanced lesson. A person can't begin with that understanding and in a way, it's 'letting the cat out of the bag " too soon. You shouldn't tell a beginner that so soon, it's sort of breaking the rules. This person doesn't even know where to begin and here you are tattling out the end of the story. Shame on you. Bad boy! A very nice example of the projection of ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > L.E: I agree with you completely Dan, except that's the advanced lesson. A > person can't begin with that understanding and in a way, it's 'letting the cat > out of the bag " too soon. You shouldn't tell a beginner that so soon, it's > sort of breaking the rules. This person doesn't even know where to begin and here > you are tattling out the end of the story. Shame on you. Bad boy! Funny! To me, truth isn't a progression of lessons. It's not a story that gets built upon previous story lines and chapters. It's more like an explosion that makes continuity of the story-line no longer tenable as a personal holding. So, it's not a cat that was in the bag. Boom! And yet, in day to day life, the stories continue to be worked out. Someone on this list said that when the dream pops, you wake up as the dream and the dream continues on. Yes. So, it's discontinuity in the midst of apparent continuity. An exploding sun going nova that doesn't disrupt at all the day to day mundane activities. A silent explosion which is simply now, just as it is, in all it mundane-ness. It already is so, never is not the case, is all-inclusive, now, as is. Some people say there is a difference between those who are aware, and those who are not aware. But that difference holds no water, because this knowing has no split in it between a separable one who knows, and another separable one that doesn't know. That difference is just the basis for a whole " spiritual circus " that really isn't much different from all the other dramas people create between those who " have something " and those who " lack that something. " -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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