Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 In a message dated 4/22/2006 7:13:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > Toombaru: A Mind.....which is the source of the illusory self...can never > become > enlightened. > Mind looks at a sage and interprets what it sees as a transformed person. > It then tries to become like what it sees.....It reads thewords.....tries to > copy the motions......and envivions its self as allknowing....sometime in > the future. > The problem....once seen......destroys all questions about the self. > L.E: It seems that the mind cannot " look " at enything. The ego is at the entrance to the mind. The senses, the eyes, 'look " the ego sees and interprets, When there is perception without the ego, there is only perception and no interpretation. That can be done by simple meditation. Agreed that the mind is the source of the illusory self, the ego, but the brain is the source of the illusory mind, and the body is the source and sustinance of the illusory brain. Consider again, music from a record, tape or CD. The music is not the same as the record, tape or CD yet the music arises from the CD. The CD and the music are quite different just as the mind and the ego are quite different. And the same with the Brain and the mind. They are as different as the molecules in the CD are from the music or the CD as a plastic disk. Each level is different from that below it and each produces the level above it. This is why you can say music is an illusion that has no independent existence compared to the CD disk, and the disk is an illusion and has no independent existence from the molecules. That is why the wise person says the ego is an illusion and no independent existence, because it depends on the existence of the mind, which depends on the existence of the brain, and so on. Eventual you may come to realize that only the Absolute, Eternal Life has independent existence and all else can be called illusion, because it depends on the level beneath it for its existence.There is nothing you as an ego or mind-originated self can do about it, it just exists this way. It is only at the tip of the process, at the ego level can you act, do, see, but Being Itself goes all the way back, or into the Absolute itself that can be understood intellectually and acted upon, or understood experientially and acted upon. If you choose to stay in the awareness of the absolute and not return to an ego state, from the point of ordinary reality you will die, from your internal point of view, you have returned to the source of all life and experienced your life as Infinite Being. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/22/2006 7:13:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > Toombaru: A Mind.....which is the source of the illusory self...can never > > become > > enlightened. > > Mind looks at a sage and interprets what it sees as a transformed person. > > It then tries to become like what it sees.....It reads the words.....tries to > > copy the motions......and envisions its self as allknowing....sometime in > > the future. > > The problem....once seen......destroys all questions about the self. > > > L.E: It seems that the mind cannot " look " at enything. The 'mind' is what it looks at. They are the same. The ego is at the > entrance to the mind. They are the same. > The senses, the eyes, 'look " the ego sees and interprets, > When there is perception without the ego, there is only perception and no > interpretation. The natural working mind. > That can be done by simple meditation. No........meditation is violence, > Agreed that the mind is > the source of the illusory self, the ego, but the brain is the source of the > illusory mind, and the body is the source and sustinance of the illusory brain. > Consider again, music from a record, tape or CD. > The music is not the same as the record, tape or CD yet the music arises from > the CD. The CD and the music are quite different just as the mind and the > ego are quite different. And the same with the Brain and the mind. They are as > different as the molecules in the CD are from the music or the CD as a > plastic disk. Each level is different from that below it and each produces the > level above it. This is why you can say music is an illusion that has no > independent existence compared to the CD disk, and the disk is an illusion and has no > independent existence from the molecules. That is why the wise person says > the ego is an illusion and no independent existence, because it depends on the > existence of the mind, which depends on the existence of the brain, and so on. > Eventual you may come to realize that only the Absolute, Eternal Life has > independent existence and all else can be called illusion, because it depends on > the level beneath it for its existence.There is nothing you as an ego or > mind-originated self can do about it, it just exists this way. It is only at the > tip of the process, at the ego level can you act, do, see, but Being Itself > goes all the way back, or into the Absolute itself that can be understood > intellectually and acted upon, or understood experientially and acted upon. If you > choose to stay in the awareness of the absolute and not return to an ego > state, from the point of ordinary reality you will die, from your internal point > of view, you have returned to the source of all life and experienced your life > as Infinite Being. > > Larry Epston > > You may come in..........but you have to leave that little monkey outside. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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