Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Nisargardatta says: " My Guru told me: Believe me, you are the Supreme Reality. Don't doubt my words, don't disbelieve me, I am tell you the truth---ACT ON IT. I remembered his words, and by not forgetting--I have realized! " L.E: I am telling you the same thing. ACT ON IT. There is no other. Tat Tvam Asi! Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 In a message dated 4/22/2006 8:41:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >Nisargardatta says: " My Guru told me: Believe me, you are the Supreme > >Reality. Don't doubt my words, don't disbelieve me, I am tell you > the truth---ACT > >ON IT. I remembered his words, and by not forgetting--I have realized! " > > L.E: I am telling you the same thing. ACT ON IT. There is no other. > Tat Tvam Asi! > > Larry Epston > > > The statement 'I have reailzed' negates itself. > > The I am and the Realization are antithetical. Toombaru L.E: Well that's what the book said he said, so sue me. Even though I agree with you, or the non-you that you are, or the you that you are not, or whatever. And he uses the " I am " throughout the book so either he was faking or using language that can be easily understood. If he talked like you hardly anyone would have listened to him. And as it is, hardly anyone listens to him. After all, how many people come to your house to listen to you who are not there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 In a message dated 4/22/2006 10:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > Nisargadatta speaks of beyond the I am. > > He refers to the I am as the door in.....and the door out. > > ..........as did Ramana. > > > toombaru L.E: Yes, Niz does that as well. In and out, that's life. But when he makes self claims, he uses the I am form. You probably don't like the term 'self claims.' Ramana! That speech by him that I think you posted was not very supportive of his virtues, but I just went by what was written and that was not very positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 In a message dated 4/22/2006 10:25:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > Their bodies mean nothing to me. > > They were windows.....into my own Pristine Quiesence. > > I do not revere them or the words that came through them. > > There is no head higher then my own. > > > > toombaru L.E: Oh how interesting. " Pristine Quiesence " lovely, graceful. Windows? How about doors? Is there a little kitty door for Josey to come in out of the rain? Do you revere anything or anybody? Are you irreverent? Non reverent? Well it's none of my business anyhow so you don't have to anwer. As far as your head is concerned, I would have thought you would have lost it by now. After all, that's where the non-existent ego, and the non-existent mind and the non-existent thoughts reside. Headless I stand before you, no mouth, eyes or ears, fully imbeded in the Absolute Eternal One Being that is beyond all names and forms. p.s. Don't let the 'I " bother you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > Nisargardatta says: " My Guru told me: Believe me, you are the Supreme > Reality. Don't doubt my words, don't disbelieve me, I am tell you the truth---ACT > ON IT. > I remembered his words, and by not forgetting--I have realized! " > > L.E: I am telling you the same thing. ACT ON IT. There is no other. Tat > Tvam Asi! > > Larry Epston > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/22/2006 8:41:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > >Nisargardatta says: " My Guru told me: Believe me, you are the Supreme > > >Reality. Don't doubt my words, don't disbelieve me, I am tell you > > the truth---ACT > > >ON IT. I remembered his words, and by not forgetting--I have realized! " > > > > L.E: I am telling you the same thing. ACT ON IT. There is no other. > > Tat Tvam Asi! > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > The statement 'I have reailzed' negates itself. > > > > The I am and the Realization are antithetical. > > Toombaru > > L.E: Well that's what the book said he said, so sue me. > Even though I agree with you, or the non-you that you are, or the you that > you are not, or whatever. And he uses the " I am " throughout the book so either > he was faking or using language that can be easily understood. If he talked > like you hardly anyone would have listened to him. And as it is, hardly anyone > listens to him. After all, how many people come to your house to listen to > you who are not there? > > > > He speaks of beyond the I am. He refers to the I am as the door in.....and the door out. ...........as did Ramana. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 4/22/2006 10:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > Nisargadatta speaks of beyond the I am. > > > > He refers to the I am as the door in.....and the door out. > > > > ..........as did Ramana. > > > > > > toombaru > > L.E: Yes, Niz does that as well. In and out, that's life. But when he makes > self claims, he uses the I am form. You probably don't like the term 'self > claims.' > Ramana! That speech by him that I think you posted was not very supportive > of his virtues, but I just went by what was written and that was not very > positive. > Their bodies mean nothing to me. They were windows.....into my own Pristine Quiesence. I do not revere them or the words that came through them. There is no head higher then my own. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 In a message dated 4/23/2006 2:26:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bigwaaba writes: > > > >Their bodies mean nothing to me. > > > >They were windows.....into my own Pristine Quiesence. > > > >I do not revere them or the words that came through them. > > > >There is no head higher then my own. > > > > > > > >toombaru > > L.E: 'There is no head higher than my own.' Funny statement. Can be read two ways. The first claims superiority. The second way says we are all equal. From previous posts, my guess is that the first way is the intended meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/22/2006 10:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > Nisargadatta speaks of beyond the I am. > > > > > > He refers to the I am as the door in.....and the door out. > > > > > > ..........as did Ramana. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > L.E: Yes, Niz does that as well. In and out, that's life. But when > he makes > > self claims, he uses the I am form. You probably don't like the term > 'self > > claims.' > > Ramana! That speech by him that I think you posted was not very > supportive > > of his virtues, but I just went by what was written and that was not > very > > positive. > > > > > > > Their bodies mean nothing to me. > > They were windows.....into my own Pristine Quiesence. > > I do not revere them or the words that came through them. > > There is no head higher then my own. > > > > toombaru > yes, toombaru you are not in the position to be able to revere anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/22/2006 10:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta speaks of beyond the I am. > > > > > > > > He refers to the I am as the door in.....and the door out. > > > > > > > > ..........as did Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > L.E: Yes, Niz does that as well. In and out, that's life. But when > > he makes > > > self claims, he uses the I am form. You probably don't like the > term > > 'self > > > claims.' > > > Ramana! That speech by him that I think you posted was not very > > supportive > > > of his virtues, but I just went by what was written and that was > not > > very > > > positive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their bodies mean nothing to me. > > > > They were windows.....into my own Pristine Quiesence. > > > > I do not revere them or the words that came through them. > > > > There is no head higher then my own. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > yes, toombaru > > you are not in the position to be able to revere anything. > What......or whom do you hold higher then your self? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 In a message dated 4/23/2006 11:11:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bigwaaba writes: > What......or whom do you hold higher then your self? > > > > > > > >toombaru > > > > > if you were in need of the answer > i would give it to you > > love L.E: One may speak of the self as being inside of the SELF. So, " who is higher than the self? " It is the SELF which embraces all that is and exists beyond all that is, that is higher than the self. Q: Who so speaks? A: No one, nothing. There are no voices and no ears to hear. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 In a message dated 4/23/2006 4:45:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:18:16 EDT epston Re: Nisargrardatta Says..... In a message dated 4/23/2006 2:26:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bigwaaba writes: > > > >Their bodies mean nothing to me. > > > >They were windows.....into my own Pristine Quiesence. > > > >I do not revere them or the words that came through them. > > > >There is no head higher then my own. > > > > > > > >toombaru > > L.E: 'There is no head higher than my own.' Funny statement. Can be read two ways. The first claims superiority. The second way says we are all equal. From previous posts, my guess is that the first way is the intended meaning. Well, " There " , " is " , " no " and " higher " are illusory dualistic perceptions made from mind, which doesn't exist anyhoo. There is no " head " , no " my " and no " own " . That leaves the word " than " , which is obviously a meaningless symbolic creation of a meaningless thought, so actually the statement doesn't exist at all and can't even be read, much less interpreted. ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/22/2006 10:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta speaks of beyond the I am. > > > > > > > > > > He refers to the I am as the door in.....and the door out. > > > > > > > > > > ..........as did Ramana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > L.E: Yes, Niz does that as well. In and out, that's life. But when > > > he makes > > > > self claims, he uses the I am form. You probably don't like the > > term > > > 'self > > > > claims.' > > > > Ramana! That speech by him that I think you posted was not very > > > supportive > > > > of his virtues, but I just went by what was written and that was > > not > > > very > > > > positive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their bodies mean nothing to me. > > > > > > They were windows.....into my own Pristine Quiesence. > > > > > > I do not revere them or the words that came through them. > > > > > > There is no head higher then my own. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > yes, toombaru > > > > you are not in the position to be able to revere anything. > > > > > > > What......or whom do you hold higher then your self? > > > > toombaru > if you were in need of the answer i would give it to you love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 In a message dated 4/23/2006 1:06:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ADHHUB writes: > Well, " There " , " is " , " no " and " higher " are illusory dualistic perceptions > made from mind, which doesn't exist anyhoo. There is no " head " , no " my " and > no > " own " . That leaves the word " than " , which is obviously a meaningless > symbolic > creation of a meaningless thought, so actually the statement doesn't exist > at all and can't even be read, much less interpreted. ~ > > L.E: Of course you are mostly correct. Or, I agree with you. We are all > using words which have their irritating limitations. But you write about " mind > which doesn't exist. " This is not correct IMHO. Mind exists in the realm of > the ordinary, it just doesn't have an independent existence, but neither has > anything else except the Asolute, or Life Itself, or the All Origin of > Everything, or the beyond that is emmanating the whole realm of the tangible. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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