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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

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>

> In a message dated 4/25/2006 2:54:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

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> Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:05:17 -0000

> " billrishel " <illusyn

> Re: The Present

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 4/22/2006 7:13:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:30:01 -0000

> > " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > Re: The Present & Looking Backwards..

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, Big,

> > >

> > > Even looking backwards happens in the present.

> > >

> > > The interesting thing maybe to add is that data processed in the

> > > brain need about 200-400 msecs to get conscious. And therefore we

> > > never really are in the present.

> > >

> > > What we see as " present " is just the subjectivity of

consciousness "

> > > and let me remind that Nit said consciousness is just a fever.

> > Which

> > > means the present is just a fever.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > Let's take a look at that.

> > " We never really are in the present. "

> > What does that actually mean, thinking it through?

> >

> > Does it mean: " Being totally present, " is a joke?

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > Being totally present isn't possible, but not because of perceptual

> delays.

> > Or maybe more accurately, if we ever were totally present, we

> wouldn't know

> > it, and so couldn't talk about the 'experience'. There would be no

> experience

> > of the 'event'.

> >

>

> the Now is not an experience

>

>

> Bill

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> How could you know that? It couldn't be your experience that this is

so.

>

> Phil

 

there is a difference between experiencing and *an* experience.

 

" an experience " entails ownership...

 

experiencing does not necessarily entail a sequence of owned

experiences...

 

the Now is experiencing which is not broken up into little

parcels of particular experiences...

 

when there are those little parcels, that is " residue " ...

 

the Now leaves no residue... nothing to feed upon itself

 

so the Now remains open for whatever is *now*...

could say the Now is " unconditional " as it does not place

conditions on what is...

 

 

Bill

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