Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:59:06 PM Pacific Daylight > > Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:13 -0400 > > > > > epston@ > > > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic > > > > > > > > > > ego structure of mind. > > > > > > > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit its > > > > exposure to > > > > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise itself at > > > its > > > > absence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not be > > > removed, > > > > and in > > > > > fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment > > > has 'occurred', > > > > the ego > > > > > structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that some people leave also the body.....(shortly) > > > after > > > > the realisation of (highest) truth.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > How come you still didn´t leave yours? Or did you? :-) > > > > > > Len > > > > > > how come that your restless mind still is talking to ghosts in > here? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > because it´s yours, not mine ;-) > > len > we were just talking about not expecting to be understood... but could be a nice surprise... that could be you and Marc here... I was talking to a friend about writing on this list and not caring if was understood or not... She called that, " Being alone " ... And she described herself as learning to " be alone " in the midst of " others " ... In the exchange above I can see Marc and you both being alone within an apparent exchange... Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:59:06 PM Pacific Daylight > > > Time, > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:13 -0400 > > > > > > epston@ > > > > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic > > > > > > > > > > > > ego structure of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit its > > > > > exposure to > > > > > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise itself at > > > > its > > > > > absence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not be > > > > removed, > > > > > and in > > > > > > fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment > > > > has 'occurred', > > > > > the ego > > > > > > structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that some people leave also the body..... (shortly) > > > > after > > > > > the realisation of (highest) truth.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > How come you still didn´t leave yours? Or did you? :-) > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > how come that your restless mind still is talking to ghosts in > > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > because it´s yours, not mine ;-) > > > > len > > > > we were just talking about not expecting to be understood... > but could be a nice surprise... > > that could be you and Marc here... > > I was talking to a friend about writing on this list > and not caring if was understood or not... > She called that, " Being alone " ... > > And she described herself as learning to " be alone " > in the midst of " others " ... > > In the exchange above I can see Marc and you both > being alone within an apparent exchange... > > Bill I was just kidding, because of all this imagery about what happens to " realized people " . But being alone is a condition to intelligence. If you cannot stand being alone, you will buy any concept to avoid alonness. Very few people can bear alonness, in the meaning of not only not having an alliance, but also being free of all concepts. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:59:06 PM Pacific > Daylight > > > > Time, > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:13 -0400 > > > > > > > epston@ > > > > > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ego structure of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit > its > > > > > > exposure to > > > > > > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise > itself at > > > > > its > > > > > > absence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not > be > > > > > removed, > > > > > > and in > > > > > > > fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment > > > > > has 'occurred', > > > > > > the ego > > > > > > > structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that some people leave also the body..... > (shortly) > > > > > after > > > > > > the realisation of (highest) truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come you still didn�t leave yours? Or did you? :-) > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > how come that your restless mind still is talking to ghosts in > > > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > because it�s yours, not mine ;-) > > > > > > len > > > > > > > we were just talking about not expecting to be understood... > > but could be a nice surprise... > > > > that could be you and Marc here... > > > > I was talking to a friend about writing on this list > > and not caring if was understood or not... > > She called that, " Being alone " ... > > > > And she described herself as learning to " be alone " > > in the midst of " others " ... > > > > In the exchange above I can see Marc and you both > > being alone within an apparent exchange... > > > > Bill > > > > I was just kidding, because of all this imagery about what happens > to " realized people " . > But being alone is a condition to intelligence. > If you cannot stand being alone, you will buy any concept to avoid > alonness. Very few people can bear alonness, in the meaning of not > only not having an alliance, but also being free of all concepts. > > Len > Very good!!! Yes! Carrying around concepts (which includes alliances, actually) being like a companion teddy bear. Lots of different security blankets. A boundary between inner/outer is another one. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:59:06 PM Pacific Daylight > > > Time, > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:13 -0400 > > > > > > epston@ > > > > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic > > > > > > > > > > > > ego structure of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit its > > > > > exposure to > > > > > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise itself at > > > > its > > > > > absence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not be > > > > removed, > > > > > and in > > > > > > fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment > > > > has 'occurred', > > > > > the ego > > > > > > structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that some people leave also the body..... (shortly) > > > > after > > > > > the realisation of (highest) truth.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > How come you still didn´t leave yours? Or did you? :-) > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > how come that your restless mind still is talking to ghosts in > > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > because it´s yours, not mine ;-) > > > > len > > > > we were just talking about not expecting to be understood... > but could be a nice surprise... > > that could be you and Marc here... > > I was talking to a friend about writing on this list > and not caring if was understood or not... > She called that, " Being alone " ... > > And she described herself as learning to " be alone " > in the midst of " others " ... > > In the exchange above I can see Marc and you both > being alone within an apparent exchange... Bill your words sound like coming...indeed.....from someone " being alone " ..... maybe the ones who write most in here.....are mostly this your described " being alone " .... there is, in reality, Nothing to exchange in awareness of Self there is a desert.....and some are attracted to this desert..... they travel in there..... some are lost so there......and see " fata morganas " .....running around like fools......exchanging words and " views " with " non- existing others " ..... this " desert " represent the world.... the world represent a nice dream.... how can there be someone lost.....in awareness of the dream? so....most of nice developments....of nice theories and concepts..... of nice self-made " realities " ....... are just the result of the described " fata morganas " described above it is non-sense to develop concepts ....in exchange with (non- existing) " others " .....in " how " to reach or to share the appearing source of water (fata morgana)....... which only appear because of a restless mind greetings to/from/by/behind/over the world.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:59:06 PM Pacific Daylight > > > > Time, > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:13 -0400 > > > > > > > epston@ > > > > > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ego structure of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit > its > > > > > > exposure to > > > > > > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise itself > at > > > > > its > > > > > > absence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not be > > > > > removed, > > > > > > and in > > > > > > > fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment > > > > > has 'occurred', > > > > > > the ego > > > > > > > structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that some people leave also the body..... > (shortly) > > > > > after > > > > > > the realisation of (highest) truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come you still didn´t leave yours? Or did you? :-) > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > how come that your restless mind still is talking to ghosts in > > > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > because it´s yours, not mine ;-) > > > > > > len > > > > > > > we were just talking about not expecting to be understood... > > but could be a nice surprise... > > > > that could be you and Marc here... > > > > I was talking to a friend about writing on this list > > and not caring if was understood or not... > > She called that, " Being alone " ... > > > > And she described herself as learning to " be alone " > > in the midst of " others " ... > > > > In the exchange above I can see Marc and you both > > being alone within an apparent exchange... > > > Bill > > > your words sound like coming...indeed.....from someone " being > alone " ..... > > maybe the ones who write most in here.....are mostly this your > described " being alone " .... > > > there is, in reality, Nothing to exchange in awareness of Self > > > there is a desert.....and some are attracted to this desert..... > they travel in there..... > some are lost so there......and see " fata morganas " .....running > around like fools......exchanging words and " views " with " non- > existing others " ..... > > this " desert " represent the world.... > > the world represent a nice dream.... > > how can there be someone lost.....in awareness of the dream? > > > so....most of nice developments....of nice theories and concepts..... > of nice self-made " realities " ....... > are just the result of the described " fata morganas " described above > > it is non-sense to develop concepts ....in exchange with (non- > existing) " others " .....in " how " to reach or to share the appearing > source of water (fata morgana)....... > > which only appear because of a restless mind > > greetings to/from/by/behind/over the world.... > > Marc > I enjoyed you post (or my hallucination of your post:) Marc. And also enjoy the new term you introduced to me: fata morgana On Wikipedia it says that the term is " ...named after Morgan le Fay, the faery shapeshifting half-sister of King Arthur " So even the term you use for evocative apparitions is itself evocative. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > > <lissbon2002@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:59:06 PM Pacific > Daylight > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:13 -0400 > > > > > > > > epston@ > > > > > > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ego structure of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to limit > > its > > > > > > > exposure to > > > > > > > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise > itself > > at > > > > > > its > > > > > > > absence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need not > be > > > > > > removed, > > > > > > > and in > > > > > > > > fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment > > > > > > has 'occurred', > > > > > > > the ego > > > > > > > > structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that some people leave also the body..... > > (shortly) > > > > > > after > > > > > > > the realisation of (highest) truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come you still didn´t leave yours? Or did you? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how come that your restless mind still is talking to ghosts > in > > > > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > because it´s yours, not mine ;-) > > > > > > > > len > > > > > > > > > > we were just talking about not expecting to be understood... > > > but could be a nice surprise... > > > > > > that could be you and Marc here... > > > > > > I was talking to a friend about writing on this list > > > and not caring if was understood or not... > > > She called that, " Being alone " ... > > > > > > And she described herself as learning to " be alone " > > > in the midst of " others " ... > > > > > > In the exchange above I can see Marc and you both > > > being alone within an apparent exchange... > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > your words sound like coming...indeed.....from someone " being > > alone " ..... > > > > maybe the ones who write most in here.....are mostly this your > > described " being alone " .... > > > > > > there is, in reality, Nothing to exchange in awareness of Self > > > > > > there is a desert.....and some are attracted to this desert..... > > they travel in there..... > > some are lost so there......and see " fata morganas " .....running > > around like fools......exchanging words and " views " with " non- > > existing others " ..... > > > > this " desert " represent the world.... > > > > the world represent a nice dream.... > > > > how can there be someone lost.....in awareness of the dream? > > > > > > so....most of nice developments....of nice theories and > concepts..... > > of nice self-made " realities " ....... > > are just the result of the described " fata morganas " described above > > > > it is non-sense to develop concepts ....in exchange with (non- > > existing) " others " .....in " how " to reach or to share the appearing > > source of water (fata morgana)....... > > > > which only appear because of a restless mind > > > > greetings to/from/by/behind/over the world.... > > > > Marc > > > > I enjoyed you post (or my hallucination of your post:) Marc. > And also enjoy the new term you introduced to me: fata morgana > On Wikipedia it says that the term is " ...named after Morgan le Fay, > the faery shapeshifting half-sister of King Arthur " > > So even the term you use for evocative apparitions is itself > evocative. > > Bill lol best wishes for your expeditions.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > > > <lissbon2002@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:59:06 PM Pacific > > Daylight > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:13 -0400 > > > > > > > > > epston@ > > > > > > > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ego structure of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to > limit > > > its > > > > > > > > exposure to > > > > > > > > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise > > itself > > > at > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > absence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need > not > > be > > > > > > > removed, > > > > > > > > and in > > > > > > > > > fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment > > > > > > > has 'occurred', > > > > > > > > the ego > > > > > > > > > structure remains. The body wouldn't survive without > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that some people leave also the body..... > > > (shortly) > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > the realisation of (highest) truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come you still didn´t leave yours? Or did you? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how come that your restless mind still is talking to ghosts > > in > > > > > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because it´s yours, not mine ;-) > > > > > > > > > > len > > > > > > > > > > > > > we were just talking about not expecting to be understood... > > > > but could be a nice surprise... > > > > > > > > that could be you and Marc here... > > > > > > > > I was talking to a friend about writing on this list > > > > and not caring if was understood or not... > > > > She called that, " Being alone " ... > > > > > > > > And she described herself as learning to " be alone " > > > > in the midst of " others " ... > > > > > > > > In the exchange above I can see Marc and you both > > > > being alone within an apparent exchange... > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > your words sound like coming...indeed.....from someone " being > > > alone " ..... > > > > > > maybe the ones who write most in here.....are mostly this your > > > described " being alone " .... > > > > > > > > > there is, in reality, Nothing to exchange in awareness of Self > > > > > > > > > there is a desert.....and some are attracted to this desert..... > > > they travel in there..... > > > some are lost so there......and see " fata morganas " .....running > > > around like fools......exchanging words and " views " with " non- > > > existing others " ..... > > > > > > this " desert " represent the world.... > > > > > > the world represent a nice dream.... > > > > > > how can there be someone lost.....in awareness of the dream? > > > > > > > > > so....most of nice developments....of nice theories and > > concepts..... > > > of nice self-made " realities " ....... > > > are just the result of the described " fata morganas " described > above > > > > > > it is non-sense to develop concepts ....in exchange with (non- > > > existing) " others " .....in " how " to reach or to share the > appearing > > > source of water (fata morgana)....... > > > > > > which only appear because of a restless mind > > > > > > greetings to/from/by/behind/over the world.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > I enjoyed you post (or my hallucination of your post:) Marc. > > And also enjoy the new term you introduced to me: fata morgana > > On Wikipedia it says that the term is " ...named after Morgan le Fay, > > the faery shapeshifting half-sister of King Arthur " > > > > So even the term you use for evocative apparitions is itself > > evocative. > > > > Bill > > > lol > > best wishes for your expeditions.... > > Marc > LOL... as always... you a riot Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > > <lissbon2002@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > > > > <lissbon2002@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:59:06 PM Pacific > > > Daylight > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:13 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > epston@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: Non-Existing Ego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind cannot be used to remove the basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ego structure of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: That seems accurate. But. if ego decides to > > limit > > > > its > > > > > > > > > exposure to > > > > > > > > > > excitement, it will dissolve and perhaps surprise > > > itself > > > > at > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > absence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ego can get very weak but the basic structure need > > not > > > be > > > > > > > > removed, > > > > > > > > > and in > > > > > > > > > > fact should not be removed. Even when enlightenment > > > > > > > > has 'occurred', > > > > > > > > > the ego > > > > > > > > > > structure remains. The body wouldn't survive > without > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that some people leave also the body..... > > > > (shortly) > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > the realisation of (highest) truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come you still didn´t leave yours? Or did you? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how come that your restless mind still is talking to > ghosts > > > in > > > > > > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because it´s yours, not mine ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we were just talking about not expecting to be understood... > > > > > but could be a nice surprise... > > > > > > > > > > that could be you and Marc here... > > > > > > > > > > I was talking to a friend about writing on this list > > > > > and not caring if was understood or not... > > > > > She called that, " Being alone " ... > > > > > > > > > > And she described herself as learning to " be alone " > > > > > in the midst of " others " ... > > > > > > > > > > In the exchange above I can see Marc and you both > > > > > being alone within an apparent exchange... > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > your words sound like coming...indeed.....from someone " being > > > > alone " ..... > > > > > > > > maybe the ones who write most in here.....are mostly this your > > > > described " being alone " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is, in reality, Nothing to exchange in awareness of Self > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a desert.....and some are attracted to this desert..... > > > > they travel in there..... > > > > some are lost so there......and see " fata morganas " .....running > > > > around like fools......exchanging words and " views " with " non- > > > > existing others " ..... > > > > > > > > this " desert " represent the world.... > > > > > > > > the world represent a nice dream.... > > > > > > > > how can there be someone lost.....in awareness of the dream? > > > > > > > > > > > > so....most of nice developments....of nice theories and > > > concepts..... > > > > of nice self-made " realities " ....... > > > > are just the result of the described " fata morganas " described > > above > > > > > > > > it is non-sense to develop concepts ....in exchange with (non- > > > > existing) " others " .....in " how " to reach or to share the > > appearing > > > > source of water (fata morgana)....... > > > > > > > > which only appear because of a restless mind > > > > > > > > greetings to/from/by/behind/over the world.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed you post (or my hallucination of your post:) Marc. > > > And also enjoy the new term you introduced to me: fata morgana > > > On Wikipedia it says that the term is " ...named after Morgan le > Fay, > > > the faery shapeshifting half-sister of King Arthur " > > > > > > So even the term you use for evocative apparitions is itself > > > evocative. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > lol > > > > best wishes for your expeditions.... > > > > Marc > > > > LOL... > as always... > you a riot > > > Bill > the one " who " know....that he/she will survive......can cross whatever deserts and oceans.... 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